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#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

Do you think that you're capable of sticking to the primary points and core issues of discussions?

I'm responding to your comments as you were the one who brought up the idea of a "Medina for POTUS" bandwagon.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mister Clean (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mister Clean (#28)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mister Clean (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mister Clean (#17)

Setting aside taxes, which I think we can all agree are too high, I would like to know what the conventional politicians have done to you personally? Are you going nowhere or do you just see the country as going nowhere?

Doing fine thanks, and so is the area of the country where I live - at least for the time being - as unemployment is just beginning to take a bite out of our well-being.

In most of the rest of the country, things aren't so rosy, and people in parts of the country that I've lived are really bitchin' about the state of affairs they're in. Our debt to GDP is just about 100% and growing, and we're looking at deficits far into the forseeable future. Right now, it looks like we're about to do what the Japanese have done and are locking ourselves into a permanent state of recession.

Given the two-party death dance taking place in DC, nothing's going to be fixed soon.

randge  posted on  2010-02-15   9:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#29)

IMO as our nation begins to crumble, and the police state begins to emerge far more clearly, then people will begin to question. While the formal movement may then be dead, the notion that it was largely bullshit will begin to settle in the minds of the sheep.

They get it, unfortunately it's often as they're standing in line to get their throats slit.

Gosh, what a drama queen you are. Oh the poor sheep only realizing the "truth" as they're being slaughtered!

You're one of those people who claims some great love of the nation but derides the population as "sheep" because they don't agree with you on 9/11. Nice.

What you and the rest of the "truthers" don't realize is that your self righteous, know it all, arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who dares to doubt your stupid conspiracy theory is one of the main reasons why your movement is dead. People don't like you "truthers" because of your foul attitude.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#32)

Doing fine thanks

Okay so you're doing fine but you never pass up a chance to whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize the status and direction of the nation.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)

That's right.

randge  posted on  2010-02-15   9:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mister Clean (#34)


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-02-15   9:30:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mister Clean (#33)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   9:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mister Clean, All (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   9:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

I'm more discriminating than you ... I bozo'ed that moron a long time ago and he ain't been in my house since !!!

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   9:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mister Clean (#34)

Okay so you're doing fine but you never pass up a chance to whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize the status and direction of the nation.

So by this comment can we assume that you are happy with the status and direction of the nation?

It seems to me that the country has been moving slowly, but steadily leftward since the late thirties, with the exception of a few small speed bumps along the way (Eisenhower and Reagan), and some would argue that I'm wrong on their account and there have been no speed bump at all.

From where I stand, conservatives, libertarians, paleoconservatives and classical liberals all have something to "whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize."

The only ones that do not have anything to bitch about are neoconservatives and liberals, who, in actuality, one and the same.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   9:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Mister Queen is one of those people that thinks he's 100% right

I am 100% right about you "truthers."

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

IMO it is entirely possible to impugn those guilty and not needing to raise the notion that they're Jewish to do so.

In my opinion, that is not possible.

It is the unseen root of the plant that nourishes the entire visible plant itself. It is self delusion to believe that a pretty flower here and there is the actual representation of the entire plant.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   9:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#39)

I bozo'ed that moron a long time ago and he ain't been in my house since !!!

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)

So by this comment can we assume that you are happy with the status and direction of the nation?

America isn't perfect but it's definitely not the nightmare some on this forum make it out to be.

The only ones that do not have anything to bitch about are neoconservatives and liberals, who, in actuality, one and the same.

What are you talking about?  Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about.  Randge confirmed that.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43) (Edited)

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

It does, it's just frowned on to shoot somebody who obviously needs it. Otherwise, Mudboy Slim, Yukon, Mad Dog, Liberator, et al would be long-since dead.

The moment it becomes acceptable to do so, however...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-15   9:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Samuel Gray (#45) (Edited)

In a way the aging process is a blessing. Everyone you mentioned, except -MUD-, has basically been erased from my hard drive. And about -MUD-, his ping list of dead or banned posters is priceless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mister Clean (#44)

What are you talking about? Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about. Randge confirmed that.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you? You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you? You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you? The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you? There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   9:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mister Clean (#44)

Mr. Queen of Denial's royal 'hear no/see no/speak no' hand maidens.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:00:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining.  The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post.  Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you?

It could one day but today, no.

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you?

Care to enlighten me by telling me how it's affecting me?

The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you?

No.

There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

Could you explain how you are affected personally by everything you don't like about government.  I would really like to read that.  But I stress, I want to know what is affecting you, not a list of general complaints.  How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

I wish a form of it existed in real life.

No shit, I'd disappear D.C. forever.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   10:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: noone222 (#39)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#42)

It is self delusion to believe that a pretty flower here and there is the actual representation of the entire plant.

You forgot a not..

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick ('uniter' = G.W.)

Bub  posted on  2010-02-15   10:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mister Clean (#41)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#42)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mister Clean (#44)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Samuel Gray (#45)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred, then perfectly fell identically to a building set for demolition and with no visible structural damage otherwise, would truly believe everything that was spoon fed them about 9/11.

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist believes in 9/11 "truth."

The conspiracy theory you cling to and the movement behind it are dead.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: your_neighbor (#4)

hese Wall Street Journal assholes thoughts about the Truthers

The WSJ's editorial staff may as well be the leaders of the Likud party.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Mister Clean (#34)

Mister Clean wrote -

What you and the rest of the "truthers" don't realize is that your self righteous, know it all, arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who dares to doubt

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

I agree with you on the rank and file individual Jewish people. I worked for a really cool guy who is in his nineties now who owned a restaurant locally in the 80s named Lenny's Nosh Bar who used to own an art gallery near Height and Ashbury in the 60s. And I have one friend who is retired because he's disabled who used to be the head homeless people advocate at White Bird Clinic.

Not to mention I've dated a few very delightful Jewish lasses when I was younger.

There is one I know now whom I can't stand the sight of. He is a short, nasty New Yorker who hear me slam Zionism at a local watering hole of a coffee shop who started imposing his pro Israeli crap on me whenever he saw me.

I had to tattoo a bagel around an eye with a fist before he realized this was dumb to do. He nearly got it again at a local cyber café he and I frequent when he interrupted me to speak to a friend of mine I was speaking to.

He started in that, "I supported the butchery of good decent Israelis by Palestinian monsters." I swear I can fit one of the joint's Pentium 4s down his throat. If he doesn't watch out, I give it a try to see if this is possible.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Mister Queen is one of those people that thinks he's 100% right but accuses others of being that way,

Exactly.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: tom007 (#61)

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

I'm describing one of the main reasons why "truthers" have gotten nowhere with their conspiracy theory.

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Mister Clean (#49)

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining. The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post. Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

Spend 15 seconds on ANY political forum, regardless of the ideology and you will see the same thing.

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

"First they came for the homeowners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the businessmen and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the gun owners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

Hell, you can't even recognize the harmful effect deficit spending has on you, so no, I do not believe I will waste anymore of my time. This is America and you are free to believe whatever you want.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#65)

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

A poem is not an answer. What a cop out. I'm not surprised. You are unable to list how you have been personally harmed by the things you complain about.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

So I'm sorry, but I cannot reasonably hold them accountable.

Good for you. I think we need to use precise words for these controversial issues.

There are those who would argue that, as co religionists, all Jews are responsible for what something like 10% advocate.

By this reasoning, and I am not saying it's wrong, then the butt bomber was justified in trying to blow up the jetliner last Christmas because it was filled with people who supported the government that is killing innocents in the ME.

It is a difficult subject. By using precise language we can at least minimize confusion.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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