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Title: The 9/11 "truth" movement has accomplished 2 things.
Source: Reality
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Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2010-02-18 10:05:45 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 9/11, conspiracy
Views: 864
Comments: 77

After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the 9/11 "truth movement has accomplished 2 things.

1. It has enriched Alex Jones (bless his capitalist heart!)

2. It helped get rid of White House adviser Van Jones.

That's it.

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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)

the truth movement is gradually educating the american people about the pickle they're in.

you can keep the thing bottled up for a while... after that, you gonna be upside down.

an it aint gonna be my fault.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:10:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mister Clean (#0)

Cleanie! Why, you have graduated to your very own bait-um and hate-um thread.

Why, how BeAChooser of you to make the jump.

I knew you could do it; baiting's an art, and you are on your way to becoming a master baiter of baiters.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mister Clean (#0)

The 9/11 Truth Movement has exposed the NWO/Globalists Shills (the ones who don't want the truth about 9/11 to get out).

The 9/11 Truth Movement has actually been good for the economy. Just think of all of the shill jobs that were created between 9/12/01 and now.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-18   10:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mister Clean (#0)

No, it also accomplished something else. It brought you government loving idiots out of the woodwork to post bs about how wonderful the government is and how they had nothing to do with it. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, including, but certainly not limited to, an Air Force stand down on 9/11. If you really believe the bs you post you are indeed a moron.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-18   10:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: groundresonance (#1)

How much more appropriate could that picture be for Cleanie to see? It shows someone hanging around when they were no longer welcome. Probably was a very cold person who was hooked on the situation.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

Why, you have graduated to your very own bait-um and hate-um thread.

Your response only demonstrates that I am correct in my assessment of the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement otherwise you would have listed its accomplishments.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)

The 9/11 Truth Movement has exposed the NWO/Globalists Shills (the ones who don't want the truth about 9/11 to get out).

Wow!

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mister Clean, TwentyTwelve (#6)

Your response only demonstrates that I am correct in my assessment of the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement otherwise you would have listed its accomplishments.

I listed one and TwentyTwelve listed a couple.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-18   10:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mister Clean (#6)

Ahh, you are operating under the premise of build a hamster exercise wheel and they will come and run on it. If the ferret response is to laugh at it and pee on the bearings to help make it squeak a wee bit more, that's just how it goes.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

No, it also accomplished something else. It brought you government loving idiots out of the woodwork to post bs about how wonderful the government is and how they had nothing to do with it.

Gee, a new investigation must be just around the corner!

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Mister Clean (#0)

you think there are not people making lists?

you better get the gulfstream fueled up.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Ahh, you are operating under the premise of build a hamster exercise wheel and they will come and run on it.

When you avoid my challenge, you admit that I'm right.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mister Clean (#12)

want to explain why even jews are making lists?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Mister Clean (#12)

And I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces offa me, and sticks to you. Is that response close enough to your level to finally comprehend?

Save the butterfly net, sport. Your wife needs it to use in the evening to snag you for the dinner table.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

And I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces offa me, and sticks to you. Is that response close enough to your level to finally comprehend?

I understand you hate knowing that my assessment of the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement is correct. It must be frustrating for you to have no rebuttal other than childish comments.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mister Clean (#15) (Edited)

the hive queens make their living victimizing other jews.

what makes you think it will be any different this time?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mister Clean (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-18   10:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mister Clean, All (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-18   10:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Mister Clean (#15)

even you gots to admit that jews must not be that smart, if they fall for the same lame scheme, time after time.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#18)

eric stratton not only posts noise, but he posts it twice.

have pity on the signal-to-noise ratio, eric.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mister Clean (#12)

When you avoid my challenge, you admit that I'm right.

Like you did mine.

Disgusted  posted on  2010-02-18   10:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Mister Clean (#15)

I don't waste my time with people who's whole point is to bait and mock. The topic is too important to talk to an unreceptive idiot about. Last attempt to talk to you of many.

Yhe only point of doing this is to show how desparate you are for attention for demonstration purposes. I already knew you would keep trying to hook me and reel me in. Have a nice day, dumbshit.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

Yhe only point of doing this is to show how desparate you are for attention for demonstration purposes. I already knew you would keep trying to hook me and reel me in. Have a nice day, dumbshit.

The sooner you accept the fact that I'm right, the better off you'll be in the long run.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   10:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Mister Clean (#0)

It taught me Israelis love to dance when towers come down.

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On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9- 11





As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

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...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.



A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")

Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)

Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13)

"...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge."

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It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14).

What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.

But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.

Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re- crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.

The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (20)

A few days aft

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-18   10:48:05 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-18   10:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Mister Clean (#23)

"The sooner you accept the fact that I'm right, the better off you'll be in the long run"

Any girl I've dated got really bummed when she got one of those long unexpected runs in her stockings.

You are better off with a happy date with no long run. Trust me, I know what I am talking about.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   10:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

i guess we're to assume that the antisemites are frothing so badly that they cant tell when they're double-posting.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   10:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mister Clean (#0)

It's become obvious to me and many others that you are actually working FOR the "911 Truth Movement" and NOT AGAINST it.

Good work, M C and keep it up. We'll get to the other side of this soon and the murdering false flag Globalist fucking bastards will all get a neck stretching experience.

Thank you for your contribution(s) in rooting them out.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-02-18   10:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

there must be issues at the server...site is hanging up.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-02-18   11:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

Trust me, I know what I am talking about.

When it comes to the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement, you need to admit to yourself that it's gone nowhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   11:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mister Clean (#30)

if the truth movement wasnt making headway, you would be trying to badmouth it, would you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   11:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mister Clean (#30)

If you are so spot on interested in discussing this topic, why do you waste time with someone laughing their ass off watching you bait?


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   11:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara (#28)

It's become obvious to me and many others that you are actually working FOR the "911 Truth Movement" and NOT AGAINST it.

In a way I suppose you're correct because "truthers" need to be able to handle challenges with intelligence and maturity and my posts are giving them that opportunity. Unfortunately, none have taken it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   11:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

If you are so spot on interested in discussing this topic, why do you waste time with someone laughing their ass off watching you bait?

I'm laughing at your inability to provide an answer to my challenge.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   11:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mister Clean (#34) (Edited)

poor baby... cant explain why, if the truth movement is so impotent, he's wasting so much time on it.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   11:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mister Clean (#34)

"I'm laughing at your inability to provide an answer to my challenge."

Pure bait. I'm not biting.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   11:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Pure bait. I'm not biting.

I already know you have no answer. None of you "truthers" do.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   11:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)

mr clean is unable to explain why, if the truth movement is so insignificant, he's wasting so much of his semi-precious time in badmouthing the truth movement.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   11:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mister Clean (#37) (Edited)

"I already know you have no answer. None of you "truthers" do."

I'm not insecure in my beliefs. Any search of dialog between BeAChooser and me shows answers.

I have dialogged you already and you were unable to respond well in any depth that showed that you have intellect or desire to read for comprehension and to reply meaningfully.

Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by my back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-18   11:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?

I am interested in discussing the topic. However, none of you "truthers" are interested, you would rather attack me instead of attacking my statements with facts.

None of you want to acknowledge that the 9/11 "truth" movement has gone nowhere and accomplished nothing. You "truthers" are just like the climate change believers who will not tolerate any challenge, any question or any doubt.

If I said that MADD has achieved nothing over the years, anyone could easily list all of the laws that have been enacted all over the US as a result of MADD's efforts.

If the 9/11 "truth" movement has produced real results, you would be able to list them easily.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-18   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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