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Title: The 9/11 "truth" movement has accomplished 2 things.
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Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2010-02-18 10:05:45 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 9/11, conspiracy
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After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the 9/11 "truth movement has accomplished 2 things. 1. It has enriched Alex Jones (bless his capitalist heart!) 2. It helped get rid of White House adviser Van Jones. That's it.
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#11. To: Mister Clean (#0)
you think there are not people making lists? you better get the gulfstream fueled up.
When you avoid my challenge, you admit that I'm right.
want to explain why even jews are making lists?
And I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces offa me, and sticks to you. Is that response close enough to your level to finally comprehend? Save the butterfly net, sport. Your wife needs it to use in the evening to snag you for the dinner table.
I understand you hate knowing that my assessment of the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement is correct. It must be frustrating for you to have no rebuttal other than childish comments.
the hive queens make their living victimizing other jews. what makes you think it will be any different this time?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
even you gots to admit that jews must not be that smart, if they fall for the same lame scheme, time after time.
eric stratton not only posts noise, but he posts it twice. have pity on the signal-to-noise ratio, eric.
Like you did mine.
I don't waste my time with people who's whole point is to bait and mock. The topic is too important to talk to an unreceptive idiot about. Last attempt to talk to you of many. Yhe only point of doing this is to show how desparate you are for attention for demonstration purposes. I already knew you would keep trying to hook me and reel me in. Have a nice day, dumbshit.
The sooner you accept the fact that I'm right, the better off you'll be in the long run.
tr> The Five Dancing Israelis ...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy. A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3) Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6) One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News: (*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms") Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11) The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001: American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13) It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14). What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel. It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five. Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re- crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play. From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks. A few days aft
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Any girl I've dated got really bummed when she got one of those long unexpected runs in her stockings. You are better off with a happy date with no long run. Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
i guess we're to assume that the antisemites are frothing so badly that they cant tell when they're double-posting.
It's become obvious to me and many others that you are actually working FOR the "911 Truth Movement" and NOT AGAINST it. Good work, M C and keep it up. We'll get to the other side of this soon and the murdering false flag Globalist fucking bastards will all get a neck stretching experience. Thank you for your contribution(s) in rooting them out.
there must be issues at the server...site is hanging up.
When it comes to the ineffectiveness of the 9/11 "truth" movement, you need to admit to yourself that it's gone nowhere.
if the truth movement wasnt making headway, you would be trying to badmouth it, would you?
If you are so spot on interested in discussing this topic, why do you waste time with someone laughing their ass off watching you bait?
In a way I suppose you're correct because "truthers" need to be able to handle challenges with intelligence and maturity and my posts are giving them that opportunity. Unfortunately, none have taken it.
I'm laughing at your inability to provide an answer to my challenge.
poor baby... cant explain why, if the truth movement is so impotent, he's wasting so much time on it.
Pure bait. I'm not biting.
I already know you have no answer. None of you "truthers" do.
mr clean is unable to explain why, if the truth movement is so insignificant, he's wasting so much of his semi-precious time in badmouthing the truth movement.
I'm not insecure in my beliefs. Any search of dialog between BeAChooser and me shows answers. I have dialogged you already and you were unable to respond well in any depth that showed that you have intellect or desire to read for comprehension and to reply meaningfully. Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by my back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?
I am interested in discussing the topic. However, none of you "truthers" are interested, you would rather attack me instead of attacking my statements with facts. None of you want to acknowledge that the 9/11 "truth" movement has gone nowhere and accomplished nothing. You "truthers" are just like the climate change believers who will not tolerate any challenge, any question or any doubt. If I said that MADD has achieved nothing over the years, anyone could easily list all of the laws that have been enacted all over the US as a result of MADD's efforts. If the 9/11 "truth" movement has produced real results, you would be able to list them easily.
Already answered. It brought government-loving shills like you out of the closet.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's meaningless.
The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement. In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account. Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a “conspiracy theory” ignoring science and common sense. This essay presents these media analyses in the form of 18 case studies. Eight countries – Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Russia – have allowed their publicly-owned broadcasting stations to air the full spectrum of evidence challenging the truth of the official account of 9/11. This more open approach taken in the international media – I could also have included the Japanese media – might be a sign that worldwide public and corporate media organizations are positioning themselves, and preparing their audiences, for a possible revelation of the truth of the claim that forces within the US government were complicit in the attacks – a revelation that would call into question the publicly given rationale for the military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The evidence now being explored in the international media may pave the way for the US media to take an in-depth look at the implications of what is now known about 9/11, and to re-examine the country’s foreign and domestic policies in the light of this knowledge. Observations on the Analysis While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below: 1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth. 2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced. 3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story. 4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community. 5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Hey Bill. Good to cybersee you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. 1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth. 2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced. 3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story. 4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community. 5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. You mean the same media that's controlled by the government and the (gasp!) Jews? That media? Here's the deal, the media devotes more time to Lady GaGa than 9/11 "truth" but at least you tried.
Distort and deflect you government stooge. Who is "Lady GaGa"? Some of us don't spend our time watching American Idol and other such dross.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OK, I'll play. Challenge me. You say it has gone nowhere. Well, it depends on where it is you want to go. It has led many to question governmental authority and honesty. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's not about where I want it to go, it's about what "truthers" themselves have called for. Over the years I've heard "truthers" demand a new investigation. They've demanded the "real" perpetrators be brought to justice. The 9/11 "truth" movement hasn't gotten a millimeter closer to fulfilling either of those objectives.
That'll never happen. Not in this life, anyway. But it is not a waste of time, like you seem to think it is. You are limiting it to one goal, and that being a genuine 9/11 investigation leading to them being strapped to a gurney to die. That this investigation wasn't done, and we have shown it wasn't done, and that it will never be done, then people start questioning what our "leaders" are doing in this area AND in other areas. That is the best goal we can ever hope for, IMO. The more that wake up the better I like it.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or People are questioning the government over financial decisions, not 9/11. That's not going to change. Economic matters will always be more important to more people than any conspiracy theory.
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#12. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
Ahh, you are operating under the premise of build a hamster exercise wheel and they will come and run on it.
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#14. To: Mister Clean (#12)
Toruk Makto
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
And I'm rubber and you're glue. Everything you say bounces offa me, and sticks to you. Is that response close enough to your level to finally comprehend?
#16. To: Mister Clean (#15)
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#17. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#18. To: Mister Clean, All (#0)
#19. To: Mister Clean (#15)
#20. To: Eric Stratton (#18)
#21. To: Mister Clean (#12)
When you avoid my challenge, you admit that I'm right.
#22. To: Mister Clean (#15)
Toruk Makto
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
Yhe only point of doing this is to show how desparate you are for attention for demonstration purposes. I already knew you would keep trying to hook me and reel me in. Have a nice day, dumbshit.
#24. To: Mister Clean (#0)
It taught me Israelis love to dance when towers come down.
On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)" 
Arrested On 9- 11
As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9) When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis! "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10) The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12) 
"...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge." The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (20)
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#26. To: Mister Clean (#23)
"The sooner you accept the fact that I'm right, the better off you'll be in the long run"
Toruk Makto
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
#28. To: Mister Clean (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
#31. To: Mister Clean (#30)
#32. To: Mister Clean (#30)
Toruk Makto
#33. To: Rotara (#28)
It's become obvious to me and many others that you are actually working FOR the "911 Truth Movement" and NOT AGAINST it.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
If you are so spot on interested in discussing this topic, why do you waste time with someone laughing their ass off watching you bait?
#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)
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#36. To: Mister Clean (#34)
"I'm laughing at your inability to provide an answer to my challenge."
Toruk Makto
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
Pure bait. I'm not biting.
#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)
#39. To: Mister Clean (#37)
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"I already know you have no answer. None of you "truthers" do."
Toruk Makto
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?
#41. To: Mister Clean (#40)
If the 9/11 "truth" movement has produced real results, you would be able to list them easily.
Lord Acton
#42. To: James Deffenbach (#41)
It brought government-loving shills like you out of the closet.
#43. To: Mister Clean (#0)
That's it.
#44. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
outstanding seeing you here
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#45. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
Lord Acton
#46. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below:
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
Lord Acton
#48. To: Mister Clean (#40)
None of you want to acknowledge that the 9/11 "truth" movement has gone nowhere and accomplished nothing. You "truthers" are just like the climate change believers who will not tolerate any challenge, any question or any doubt.
die kill ~~ Me
#49. To: PSUSA (#48)
You say it has gone nowhere. Well, it depends on where it is you want to go. It has led many to question governmental authority and honesty.
#50. To: Mister Clean (#49)
They've demanded the "real" perpetrators be brought to justice.
die kill ~~ Me
#51. To: PSUSA (#50)
That this investigation wasn't done, and we have shown it wasn't done, and that it will never be done, then people start questioning what our "leaders" are doing in this area AND in other areas. That is the best goal we can ever hope for, IMO.
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