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Title: The 9/11 "truth" movement has accomplished 2 things.
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Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2010-02-18 10:05:45 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 9/11, conspiracy
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After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the 9/11 "truth movement has accomplished 2 things. 1. It has enriched Alex Jones (bless his capitalist heart!) 2. It helped get rid of White House adviser Van Jones. That's it.
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#38. To: Mister Clean (#37)
mr clean is unable to explain why, if the truth movement is so insignificant, he's wasting so much of his semi-precious time in badmouthing the truth movement.
I'm not insecure in my beliefs. Any search of dialog between BeAChooser and me shows answers. I have dialogged you already and you were unable to respond well in any depth that showed that you have intellect or desire to read for comprehension and to reply meaningfully. Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by my back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?
I am interested in discussing the topic. However, none of you "truthers" are interested, you would rather attack me instead of attacking my statements with facts. None of you want to acknowledge that the 9/11 "truth" movement has gone nowhere and accomplished nothing. You "truthers" are just like the climate change believers who will not tolerate any challenge, any question or any doubt. If I said that MADD has achieved nothing over the years, anyone could easily list all of the laws that have been enacted all over the US as a result of MADD's efforts. If the 9/11 "truth" movement has produced real results, you would be able to list them easily.
Already answered. It brought government-loving shills like you out of the closet.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's meaningless.
The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement. In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account. Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a “conspiracy theory” ignoring science and common sense. This essay presents these media analyses in the form of 18 case studies. Eight countries – Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Russia – have allowed their publicly-owned broadcasting stations to air the full spectrum of evidence challenging the truth of the official account of 9/11. This more open approach taken in the international media – I could also have included the Japanese media – might be a sign that worldwide public and corporate media organizations are positioning themselves, and preparing their audiences, for a possible revelation of the truth of the claim that forces within the US government were complicit in the attacks – a revelation that would call into question the publicly given rationale for the military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The evidence now being explored in the international media may pave the way for the US media to take an in-depth look at the implications of what is now known about 9/11, and to re-examine the country’s foreign and domestic policies in the light of this knowledge. Observations on the Analysis While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below: 1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth. 2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced. 3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story. 4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community. 5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Hey Bill. Good to cybersee you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. 1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth. 2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced. 3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story. 4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community. 5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. You mean the same media that's controlled by the government and the (gasp!) Jews? That media? Here's the deal, the media devotes more time to Lady GaGa than 9/11 "truth" but at least you tried.
Distort and deflect you government stooge. Who is "Lady GaGa"? Some of us don't spend our time watching American Idol and other such dross.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OK, I'll play. Challenge me. You say it has gone nowhere. Well, it depends on where it is you want to go. It has led many to question governmental authority and honesty. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's not about where I want it to go, it's about what "truthers" themselves have called for. Over the years I've heard "truthers" demand a new investigation. They've demanded the "real" perpetrators be brought to justice. The 9/11 "truth" movement hasn't gotten a millimeter closer to fulfilling either of those objectives.
That'll never happen. Not in this life, anyway. But it is not a waste of time, like you seem to think it is. You are limiting it to one goal, and that being a genuine 9/11 investigation leading to them being strapped to a gurney to die. That this investigation wasn't done, and we have shown it wasn't done, and that it will never be done, then people start questioning what our "leaders" are doing in this area AND in other areas. That is the best goal we can ever hope for, IMO. The more that wake up the better I like it.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or People are questioning the government over financial decisions, not 9/11. That's not going to change. Economic matters will always be more important to more people than any conspiracy theory.
For most people, sure. Even conspiracy facts are ignored by most. The masses are asses. I'll take quality over quantity every time. To me, people that are not afraid to go against the grain, for genuine reasons, are people I want to associate with. Questioning is not limited to .gov financial decisions. I don't even care about those people. If they ignore what we are doing in many other life and death areas, and limit it to how .gov handles money, then fuck them. I see calling for more thorough and honest investigations into 9/11 as a propaganda tactic. It might not be intentional but IMO that is what it is.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or smiles...thank you, it's good to be here. LP is becoming a real sewer
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Thanks James, I hope to be here more often
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Always good to see your posts.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I too will laugh and pee lmao
LOL !
Thanks (I guess). People actually watch that. Amazing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bill, you've *always* been way more appreciated here.
Mr Clean is a genuine neocon knob polisher. Check this out for what the "truther movement" has accomplished. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/02/yet-another-congressman-questions-911.html
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Congressman Jason Chafetz just said that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11. A nutjob, right? Maybe. But he joins quite a few other Congressmen: According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here) Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?" Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on" Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11 Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11 Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg says that the U.S. government "assisted" in the 9/11 attacks, stating that "I think there was a lot of help from the inside" Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job And 9/11 Commissioners: The Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required) 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting" 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up" 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true." And senior intelligence officers: A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored) Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath. A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job. A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11." (and see this). 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (scroll down to Customer Review dated October 7, 2006). A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup." Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government's version of the events of 9/11. And other government officials: U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time." Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11 The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11 Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated: "If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!" If he's nuts, Congressman Chafetz is in good company. And see this and this. Yeah, that's a good site too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well the 9/11 lie movement has accomplished a WHOLE lot more than that. Aren't you proud? Looks like you had a lot of reasons to join them Mr. Clean. How did YOU profit from it?
I was trying to do a "page source" and do it with intact links and everything but it wouldn't co-operate. Thanks for posting the article.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Hey Bill, it HAS been a real sewer for a few years now. Once the hardcore nutjobs such as byteshredder, yukon, McCain_Rocks, and byeltsin took over the forum, it was over. Good to see you BTW...
I have the 'stain on bozo...
1-10 well done!
I never put anyone on bozo here at 4um. Hell, I never even bozoed yukon for more than a day or so over at LP. I didn't want him to get away with saying things behind my back, which he did in fact try more than once.
Y W buddy. If my current version of firefox didn't suck more than the pos IE 24.13 version I'm using I would've gotten a nice view source copy.
Thanks. I think from now on, when somebody calls us 9/11 "truthers", they should be asked if they are 9/11 "liars". It stands to reason if one doesn't support and seek truth, and despises those who do, then that person must support lies and the actual crimes being considered.
sometimes it is easier to put a moran on your own personal timeout so that you can stay focused and not clutter the inbox with bungbeetles...then after awhile take'm off the filter to see if their head is still lodged firmly up their arses. of course, your mileage may vary. i've just been online too long maybe.
Anything that destroys trust in government is a good thing. And the 9/11 Truth Movement has done that.
MC is full blowing 9/11 factaphobic a regular nutbuffer he is.
#39. To: Mister Clean (#37)
(Edited)
"I already know you have no answer. None of you "truthers" do."
Toruk Makto
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
Again I pose the question that is the central premise to by back baiting of you; if you really are interested in discussing this topic; why waste time trying to hook me with your meaningless taunts?
#41. To: Mister Clean (#40)
If the 9/11 "truth" movement has produced real results, you would be able to list them easily.
Lord Acton
#42. To: James Deffenbach (#41)
It brought government-loving shills like you out of the closet.
#43. To: Mister Clean (#0)
That's it.
#44. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
outstanding seeing you here
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#45. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
Lord Acton
#46. To: Bill D Berger (#43)
While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below:
#47. To: Mister Clean (#46)
Lord Acton
#48. To: Mister Clean (#40)
None of you want to acknowledge that the 9/11 "truth" movement has gone nowhere and accomplished nothing. You "truthers" are just like the climate change believers who will not tolerate any challenge, any question or any doubt.
die kill ~~ Me
#49. To: PSUSA (#48)
You say it has gone nowhere. Well, it depends on where it is you want to go. It has led many to question governmental authority and honesty.
#50. To: Mister Clean (#49)
They've demanded the "real" perpetrators be brought to justice.
die kill ~~ Me
#51. To: PSUSA (#50)
That this investigation wasn't done, and we have shown it wasn't done, and that it will never be done, then people start questioning what our "leaders" are doing in this area AND in other areas. That is the best goal we can ever hope for, IMO.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#51)
Economic matters will always be more important to more people than any conspiracy theory.
die kill ~~ Me
#53. To: Rotara (#44)
outstanding seeing you here
#54. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
Hey Bill. Good to cybersee you.
#55. To: Bill D Berger (#54)
Lord Acton
#56. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
Who is "Lady GaGa"?
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
laugh at it and pee
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#58. To: Bill D Berger (#53)
LP is becoming a real sewer
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#59. To: wudidiz (#56)
Lord Acton
#60. To: Bill D Berger (#53)
#61. To: Ferret Mike, Mister Clean (#2)
you are on your way to becoming a master baiter
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#62. To: Critter (#61)
Lord Acton
#63. To: James Deffenbach, Critter, all (#62)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#64. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 Yet Another Congressman Questions 9/11
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#65. To: wudidiz (#63)
Lord Acton
#66. To: Mister Clean (#0)
(Edited)
The 9/11 "truth" movement has accomplished 2 things.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: Rotara (#64)
Lord Acton
#68. To: Bill D Berger (#53)
LP is becoming a real sewer
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#66)
How did YOU profit from it?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#70. To: FormerLurker (#66)
#71. To: Rotara (#69)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: James Deffenbach (#67)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#73. To: christine (#70)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#74. To: FormerLurker (#71)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73)
bump that
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#76. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#77. To: FormerLurker (#73)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
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