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Title: I Wish Joe Stack Had Not Killed Himself
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin571.htm
Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2010-02-18 22:23:13 by christine
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Comments: 43
All of us are now aware of the Texas man who yesterday flew his private plane into a 7-story Austin office building. Apparently, he intentionally crashed his plane into the building to target the IRS offices that were housed inside the facility. As I am writing this column just hours after the event took place, there has not yet been a lot of time for the major news media talking heads to spin the story. By the time this column is released on Friday, however, I'm sure we will all have been inundated with copious references to this man, Joe Stack, as being "off his rocker," or similar assertions. Perhaps our friends at DHS will label Stack a "right-wing domestic terrorist." However, Mr. Stack apparently left behind a "suicide manifesto" explaining his actions. After carefully reading Stack's manifesto, I am quite convinced that he was not crazy, and he was not a "terrorist." However, he was angry. A lot of us are angry--and for many of the same reasons that Mr. Stack was angry! While I would certainly take exception to some of the things Stack says in his manifesto, he said things that many of us are feeling. Stack began his manifesto by saying, "If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, 'Why did this have to happen?' The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time." He goes on to say, "Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble [principles] represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was 'no taxation with representation' . . . These days anyone who really stands up for that [principle] is promptly labeled a 'crackpot,' traitor and worse." For the most part, he's right about that, of course. It has been a long time since the average hardworking American has been represented in Washington, D.C. By and large, the politicians in DC represent only Big Money interests. Just try talking with your congressman or senator and see how much personal interest he or she takes in anything you have to say. As for emails, letters, and faxes, unless they number in the tens of thousands, they are mostly used as kindling for the fireplace. Obviously, Mr. Stack had long felt the frustration of being ignored by these pimps in Washington that we know as congressmen. He wrote, "While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say." I suppose that just about every American could say the same thing. Then, regarding our current tax system, Stack wrote, "Here we have a [tax] system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly 'holds accountable' its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law 'requires' a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that's not 'duress' [then] what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is." He also wrote, "However, this is where I learned that there are two 'interpretations' for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us." However, I think a better way of putting his statement would have been, "There are two interpretations for every law; one for the GOVERNMENT, and one for the rest of us." And only the most naïve among us would not understand that statement. According to Stack's manifesto, he earned an engineering degree with the goal of becoming an "independent engineer." He said this about working his way through college: "I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time." I know that feeling! My wife and I married between my sophomore and junior years of college, and for months we had a grand total of $15 a week to spend on groceries. And believe me: that did not go very far--not even in 1974. How many politicians on Capitol Hill do you think could even remotely relate to Mr. Stack? Stack later said, "I decided that I didn't trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself." Wow! What a revolutionary idea: taking responsibility for yourself! Now I know that practically no one on Capitol Hill can relate to Mr. Stack! After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706 (Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote, "The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave." His manifesto clearly reveals bitterness and resentment toward the IRS, the tax system, the banker and Big Business government bailouts, and the emergence of police-state attitudes and actions in the aftermath of 9/11. He expressed disdain for "the monsters of organized religion." He talked about his move from California to Texas. He referred to a divorce and the way his savings and retirement had been wiped out after a career of working "100-hour workweeks." Stack also noted, "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government." I can say "Amen" to that. Stack's conclusion: "I have had all I can stand." In what was obviously a reference to what he was about to do, he wrote, "Nothing changes unless there is a body count." Then, later he said, "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at 'big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough." Stack wrapped up his manifesto by saying, "Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well." See Joe Stack's manifesto here. My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are shared by millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We are fed up with our country being turned into a burgeoning police state, under the rubric of "national security." We are fed up with the harassments of the IRS. We know the "war on drugs" is merely the government's way of cutting out the competition (this is exactly what more than one retired federal law enforcement agent--employed in the drug war--told me). We know the "war on terror" is nothing but an excuse to trample our constitutional liberties. We are fed up with the voracious vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking the lifeblood out of the veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are tired of the CFR, CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing perpetual wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant and oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain! I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger. But the fight is not over; the battle is not lost! Rumblings of freedom's revival can be felt across the length and breadth of this nation. The clanging of liberty's resolve can be heard in hamlets and villages from Montana to South Carolina. There are still millions of us--from virtually every walk of life--who will not surrender our liberties without a fight! And we have not yet begun to fight! So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs! Oh, Joe! I wish you had not killed yourself.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Wonderful article. Thanks for posting it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That is nonsense Chuck. Next you will want us to vote out the bad guys and vote for good guys. The deck is stacked Chuck, did you not understand what Stack said???? It takes action by AMERICANS Chuck. Get organized????? You must be kidding. Tea Partiers have been corrupted already, from the inside. The government fears NO organization, they are in dreadful fear of the Lone Wolf. You missed it chuck, try again.
My sentiments exactly, OM.
Esso, ask any ten people here on the 4um to join in an anti government discussion group and I guarantee that at least one will snitch to the government before you have your first discussion. The government fears NO organization.
Exactly.
I too wish Joe Stacks was alive today. We all hate the IRS - it comes with being an American. Life is sacred - and I advocate the killing or death of no one. With that said, may I suggest that Joe attacked the wrong thing - the real enemy of America is Goldman Shylock. The greed at Goldman Shylock is killing America. Joe died because of Jewish bankers - NOT the IRS.
I dunno. There's 2 others who come to mind. Carl Drega and Ed Brown. There's something about martyrdom that gives a real morale boost to those left behind, and without it, it's just not the same. Joe Stack either gave his life or threw it away, depending on how you look at it, but Ed Brown didn't, and look at who inspired more? Yesterday, Joe Stack was a nobody, pretty much like all of us here. If he were still alive today, he'd still be a nobody. Of course the part in me that values life can't advocate killing yourself or anyone else if it can be avoided. Nevertheless, what Joe did today made a lot of people realize they are not alone. Like Carl Drega, he went out his way, depriving the feds of the pleasure of showcase trials in hopelessly degenerate courtrooms, which Ed Brown has suffered through. But they cannot prosecute a dead man (though give them time...).
i think i got a different impression of what Chuck's intimating here than you did, Cyni.
I have friends that own small businesses. ALL of them survive by committing criminal acts. In order to survive, they must operate a percentage OFF THE BOOKS each and every day. They take the financial risk, the IRS takes NO risk, yet they demand and will take their share. The owners have a decision to make, go out of business, lay off workers, go under or do what needs to be done to survive. I paid a repair man this week $113 on invoice and twenty in cash. I knew his Father that started the small business, employs three, make their own living and ask nothing from government.
He is a dead nobody, now. Fuck him, let the maggots fight over what remains about his rotten self.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Most likely but I am a Cynical olde man and I know something about what happens to organizations that the government does not like. Chuck advocated such organization. The government loves organizations because they can and do become members. Von Brunn and Stack had no members, not a thing the government could do about it. There will be others.
excellent points....especially that Joe made a lot of people realize they are not alone. the MSM and assorted leftie haters of "teabaggers" have been describing his words as rambling. nonsense. they removed it from his webpage because they know Joe's message resonated with countless victims of government tyranny.
i can't argue with you there, but there's also something to be said for reaching that needed critical mass.
Indeed. However it would have to be spontaneous in nature as the government is too powerful now to allow anything organized. Bush and friends labored for eight long years to enact laws and combine law enforcement nationwide in anticipation of an uprising by Americans, not by an invasion.
i agree. btw, listening to local news. they reported that there's an incredibly large number of comments on facebook and twitter expressing support for Stack's mission and the news reader added, "now that is disturbing."
It is disturbing. There is backlash on this insanity, you know. And the backlash, will further strengthen government capabilities against the People.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Fear Christine, because there are no others to drag into a kangaroo court, with a trial lasting two years, and then put someone in prison for life. There is NO ONE to punish for the masses to see being hung. They can rant and rave but it is over and done with, there is no one else. No deep dark secret organization. If there was such an organization, they would be in seventh heaven, hog heaven.
i can't argue with you there, but there's also something to be said for reaching that needed critical mass. I am with you on this. We need MORE anc BIGGER organizations - ones with a real set of choppers. The FEDGOV fears that more than they fear the occasional "lone wolf" because groups become Wolf Packs. Critical Mass is the key point. That is why the Feds load up new groups with infiltrators - stoolies and provocateurs. However, their methods and tactics are now known and the bylaws of an organization can be so written as to minimize their influence.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
How would you know? Are you a hairdresser?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
No, and I'm not a Cabbie either. However, it is very easy from what we know now to write out profiles of the various types of agents they use.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Lets not forget the building in Austin is still standing.
I wonder how how many IRS thieves are going to put in their resignations tomorrow after determining tonight that their paycheck isn't worth dying for.
There will be much false bravado by the "agents" and the IRS, and it will all be BS for public consumption.
It should be to anyone who works for the IRS.
I don't think *IT* is easy. I think *IT* is like lubricated goo. Today, the private sector lost another 42,000 jobs. Yet, this month, the government hired 75,000 IRS agents to look over your past tax claims. Yet, the economy is picking up; if I see you you behind bars maybe we can create a riot; bring some matches.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Right, but they're scared shitless. One more attack and you won't be able to pry those people out of their houses with a crowbar. The dude's timing was awesome, doing this at tax time while everybody's struggling with their tax returns. Zero sympathy.
The government and MSM will paint a very unflattering portrait of Stack. And most Americans will buy into it.
You are right - I read Joe's letter and his beef was with the IRS and government. I am guilty of using his death to pump my unqualified distain for the Jewish destruction of my country and the peace of the world.
Not guilty at all. They own and operate the government, including the IRS which is their extortion branch.
And most Americans will buy into it. Care to guess the ethnicity of Blodget???
beck said exactly the same today on his teevee show. he even had the pic of OBL. his performance was so imbecilic like he was tutoring retards. i hate that enemy within.
Not too much crap in this MSNBC article. Goob's gonna have a tough time ginning up much sympathy for the IRS goons. The tighter they squeeze, the more people will slip through their fingers.
The Oligarchy does not like independent engineers and inventors. They invent things that are not controlled by their corporations. Even worse they occasionally invent things that are revolutionary in the way they affect society. Take a look at what society was like before the Steam Engine and after. BIIIIIIIIG difference. The Oligarchs do not want anyone rocking the boat - they're in charge and they intend to stay there.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
He's a Ginger. lol We live in a matrix of lies.
I take issue with this remark. The criminals running the show want us to do nothing but write shit on the internet. The Global elites mentioned by Baldwin delight in our APATHY and peaceful nature. Joe Stack had enough of their bullshit and DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This is what the elites and their lackeys fear. Never knowing when the next mild mannered American will tire of their bureaucratic horseshit and take a few of em out. We (meaning the people at large) have plenty of do nothing keyboard patriots but Joe took the fight to the next level. I agree with Baldwin that Joe wasn't crazy ... he was justifiably angry and frustrated.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
THEY have no freaking idea what's coming, those damnable bastards...
Baldwin is consistent on this issue over the years. He wrote a responsible if not totally agreeable column, IMO. I personally wish Joe had done it a little different, but frankly, it's not my call. He did the best he could, I believe.
Next you will want us to vote out the bad guys and vote for good guys. The deck is stacked Chuck, did you not understand what Stack said???? It takes action by AMERICANS Chuck. Get organized????? You must be kidding. Tea Partiers have been corrupted already, from the inside. The government fears NO organization, they are in dreadful fear of the Lone Wolf. You missed it chuck, try again. Thank you. I can't add anything because you said it all.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Excellent thoughts from Brother Baldwin - thank you.
Let's cut thru the crap here. He wants to "send a message". You use diplomats to send messages. Are there any diplomats out there? I'm not the diplomatic type. Perhaps some of you are??? It SOUNDS like he wants to fight? OK. But lets say what that really means. It means killing. Euphemisms don't cut it. Not anymore. Leave the idiotic euphemisms for the military and the pigs. This beating around the bush bullshit needs to stop and stop now. If that is too in-your-face for a persons personal comfort, too bad. Stay home. Realize that people will die, including us. Everything else is just mental masturbation.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Chuck just keeps on earning my vote...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#2. To: christine (#0)
Lord Acton
#3. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#5. To: Esso (#4)
My sentiments exactly, OM.
#6. To: Cynicom (#3)
The deck is stacked Chuck, did you not understand what Stack said????
#7. To: christine (#0)
#8. To: christine (#0)
#9. To: Cynicom (#3)
that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!
#10. To: your_neighbor (#7)
Joe died because of Jewish bankers - NOT the IRS.
#11. To: Pinguinite (#8)
Yesterday, Joe Stack was a nobody, pretty much like all of us here. If he were still alive today, he'd still be a nobody.
#12. To: christine (#9)
i think i got a different impression of what Chuck's intimating here than you did, Cyni.
#13. To: Pinguinite (#8)
Of course the part in me that values life can't advocate killing yourself or anyone else if it can be avoided. Nevertheless, what Joe did today made a lot of people realize they are not alone. Like Carl Drega, he went out his way, depriving the feds of the pleasure of showcase trials in hopelessly degenerate courtrooms, which Ed Brown has suffered through. But they cannot prosecute a dead man (though give them time...).
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
The government loves organizations because they can and do become members.
#15. To: christine (#14)
s also something to be said for reaching that needed critical mass.
#16. To: Cynicom, Pinguinite, Esso, Rotara, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach (#15)
(Edited)
#17. To: christine (#16)
"now that is disturbing."
#18. To: christine (#16)
i agree. btw, listening to local news. they reported that there's an incredibly large number of comments on facebook and twitter expressing support for Stack's mission and the news reader added, "now that is disturbing."
#19. To: christine, Cynicom (#14)
The government loves organizations because they can and do become members.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)
However, their methods and tactics are now known and the bylaws of an organization can be so written as to minimize their influence.
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
How would you know? Are you a hairdresser?
#22. To: Original_Intent, christine, Phant2000 (#19)
#23. To: Cynicom (#18)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#24. To: Esso (#23)
I wonder how how many IRS thieves
#25. To: christine (#16)
"now that is disturbing."
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#26. To: Original_Intent (#21)
#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#28. To: Esso (#27)
The dude's timing was awesome,The dude's timing was awesome,
#29. To: Cynicom (#10)
In order to survive, they must operate a percentage OFF THE BOOKS each and every day. They take the financial risk, the IRS takes NO risk, yet they demand and will take their share. The owners have a decision to make, go out of business, lay off workers, go under or do what needs to be done to survive. I paid a repair man this week $113 on invoice and twenty in cash. I knew his Father that started the small business, employs three, make their own living and ask nothing from government.
#30. To: your_neighbor (#29)
I am guilty I am guilty
#31. To: Cynicom, Esso, all (#28)
The government and MSM will paint a very unflattering portrait of Stack.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#32. To: wudidiz (#31)
#33. To: wudidiz (#31)
#34. To: christine, Cynicom (#33)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#35. To: christine (#0)
After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706 (Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote,
#36. To: Cynicom (#32)
Care to guess the ethnicity of Blodget???
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#37. To: christine (#33)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#38. To: christine (#0)
I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.
#39. To: christine (#16)
and the news reader added, "now that is disturbing."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#40. To: noone222 (#38)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#41. To: Cynicom (#3)
That is nonsense Chuck.
die kill ~~ Me
#42. To: christine (#0)
#43. To: christine, all (#0)
(Edited)
Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!
die kill ~~ Me
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