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Title: Hatch: Tea Party movement threatening to tear GOP apart
Source: Salt Lake Tribune
URL Source: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14423113
Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Donald W. Meyers
Post Date: 2010-02-19 20:01:43 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 3168
Comments: 56

Sen. Orrin Hatch has a message for the Tea Party movement: Work with the GOP or see conservatives lose more ground.

"If we fractionalize the Republican Party, we are going to see more liberals elected," Hatch warned a crowd of 300 at a town meeting at American Fork Junior High School on Wednesday night, amid jeers from Tea Party supporters.

Hatch blamed extreme conservatives for the 2008 defeat of Sen. Gordon Smith, a politically moderate but fiscally conservative Republican from Oregon.

Hatch said if the Tea Party had not backed a constitutionalist candidate in that race, Smith wouldn't have lost to Democrat Jeff Merkley, whom Hatch described as "the most liberal senator," by 45,000 votes.

But Hatch's critics said he was not interested in listening to them.

"I think you guys are as out of touch as you can get," said Sarah Beeson, of American Fork. Hatch, she said, appeared more interested in raising money for candidates than listening to what the people had to say.

Beeson had been a state GOP delegate, but is now disaffected from the Republican Party and considers herself an independent. If the GOP comes back to constitutional principles rather than clutching fear, she said, she would come back to the party.

Hatch said he is working to build a bloc of fiscally conservative Republicans who can rein in President Barack Obama's policies.

Hatch credited his fundraising activities in part with getting Republican Scott Brown elected in Massachusetts, taking a seat that had been held by Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy for decades.

"It's our job to vote out people we don't like," someone yelled from the audience.

"And it is my job to help you," Hatch said.

Hatch also defended Senate Republicans' use of the filibuster rule, forcing Democrats to marshal 60 votes to end debate and move legislation to a final vote. Obama has blasted the practice as a lack of leadership and partisan sabotage.

"To pass anything they want in the Senate, they have to get 60 votes, and that is how we stop a lot of crap," Hatch said.

One of the things it is stopping is health care reform, and Hatch said Republicans will continue to do so until the administration comes to the bargaining table and moves away from socialized medicine.

Hatch said Obama's goal with health care reform is to get at least 60 percent of the country dependent on government, thus creating a permanent Democratic voting bloc.

But one thing Hatch won't do, he said, is vote against Obama appointees for partisan reasons. He said he won't stoop to the tactics he claims Democrats used against President George W. Bush's appointees.

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#8. To: Cynicom (#2)

Booby Hatch is another one that the Grim reaper will have to take out.

The voters are too stupid.

But he seems to be such a nice Mormon, what with his hymn-singing hobby and gosh-darn politeness to his Democractic colleagues.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15, Jethro tull (#8)

Byrd is 93 years olde and been in Senate for 52 years.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

Longer than I've been alive. That's a disgrace that reflects badly upon the people of West Virginia.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: X-15, all (#0)

"If we fractionalize the Republican Party, we are going to see more liberals elected,"

And I suppose that is bad news? I say the more "liberals" elected, the better. Let's bring this party to a close so we can start again. Liberals will do it faster, and I'm not getting any younger.

Yep. They are trying to take over that movement. It's getting blatant. They WILL get to the leaders if they haven't already. And when it comes to the common people, well, to "hell" with them.

Might as well write them off now and avoid the rush later.

I wish people would stop organizing under others banners. It's a waste of time, energy, hope, and money.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-19   20:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#10)

Longer than I've been alive. That's a disgrace that reflects badly upon the people of West Virginia.

To me it is obscene.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom. everyone (#12)

FLUSH THEM ALL.

Come'on Amerika.

You idiots.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-19   20:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PSUSA (#11)

So is the the fact that illicitly moneyed interests control both parties that bothers you, or are you looking for a drug to help you grow longer, fuller eyelashes?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#11)

One party America, the ruling elite party, all else is of no value.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod (#13)

I am going to register in April so I can vote against Specter.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#13)

Sir Lod, can you imagine, a totally brand new House of Representatives?????

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#16)

I am going to register in April so I can vote against Specter.

Good for you. Give em' hell Cyni.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#14)

I'm told I have sexy eyelashes. AND I have nice thick hair, thank you very much.

That leaves the money that pisses me off.


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Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean

Live free or die kill ~~ Me

PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-19   20:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom. all (#17)

I'd like to see real Americans, not lawyers, in deecee.

How fresh would that be?

Lod  posted on  2010-02-19   20:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Dakmar (#18)

Dak...

I voted against Santorum, just to see him have to get a job.

Awhile ago he wrote an OP-ED in a Pittsburgh paper and gave his email addy.

I emailed him on his writing but he did not respond, maybe cause I told him how I felt.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#19)

Damnit, isn't there anyone here I can bribe with false promises of glamour?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#16)

I am going to register in April so I can vote against Specter.

You think I could register in PA to be able to vote against the bastard? I would love to see him outta the Senate ... yesterday!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#17)

a totally brand new House of Representatives?????

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

A chance to cut off all funding for the desert-dwellers-with-stolen-internet- connections?

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#21) (Edited)

I emailed him on his writing but he did not respond, maybe cause I told him how I felt.

Ya think? As well as I know you I'd bet he still has your address on file. :)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#1)

fuck him and his ilk.

my sentiment exactly

christine  posted on  2010-02-19   20:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Phant2000 (#23)

You think I could register in PA to be able to vote against the bastard?

Do you live in PA? MA? NY?

Yes, maybe, probably.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

Are you saying when Byrd bites the Bird, you'll not shed a tear?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-19   20:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dakmar (#22)

Damnit, isn't there anyone here I can bribe with false promises of glamour?

Are you offering discount Armani suits and preservation techniques previously reserved for U.S. Senators??

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: X-15 (#29)

Are you offering discount Armani suits and preservation techniques previously reserved for U.S. Senators??

Um...if I have to. I was hoping to sell eyelash grease I found in the attic.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar (#25)

Years ago I had a local political friend that got to know Santorum rather well.

Together we encouraged all to vote him out of office.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Phant2000 (#23)

You think I could register in PA

I am still registered in NC.

I get absentee ballots from there.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#17)

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

You better see how well you make out with the Easter Bunny & Great Pumpkin before you get your hopes up.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-02-19   20:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#31)

Santorum always struck me as a filthy little political monkey, stirring up dust.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Are you saying when Byrd bites the Bird, you'll not shed a tear?

Founding Fathers erred very badly when they decided that no man would stay in politics beyond a "season" and then return home.

Franklin and Jefferson were FOR term limits for all but were voted down.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#31)

I was w/the Perotists's when Santorum was first selected. He came to us and promised the world, but not term limits. We never asked him back.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-19   20:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Dakmar (#30)

Err....no thanks, I only use cosmetics that have been tested on African pygmies and are gluten-free.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Esso (#33)

You better see how well you make out with the Easter Bunny & Great Pumpkin before you get your hopes up.

Young man, I no longer have any hope.

Just look at the last election, 130 million programmed voters turned out and voted "their choice".

what nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar (#34)

Santorum always struck me as a filthy little political monkey, stirring up dust.

That was not dust.

You are correct, he lived in Virginia, kept an olde shack of a house in Pa. with no furniture.

Voters finally wised up and out he went.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

I was w/the Perotists's when Santorum was first selected.

Santorum was just another political opportunist.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   21:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: X-15 (#37)

Err....no thanks, I only use cosmetics that have been tested on African pygmies and are gluten-free.

Elitist! What if we came up with a line of cosmetics only tested on terror suspects? Oh boy what a quandry that would present... Where can I get some show-dog pheromones, we'll use them to bribe the Sarrasin guards...Bring a camera.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   21:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#35)

Founding Fathers erred very badly when they decided that no man would stay in politics beyond a "season" and then return home.

IMO one of the real death-blows to the Republic came when Congress installed central-air/heat in the late 1930's or early 1940's (I can't find the exact year), thereby allowing an environment for the congresscritters to work their evil year 'round in total comfort.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   21:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: X-15 (#42)

installed central-air/heat in the late 1930's or early 1940's

Prolly the 40s..

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   21:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: X-15 (#42)

Leave it to those fuckin' HVAC guys. Creeps.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-02-19   21:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Dakmar (#41)

What if we came up with a line of cosmetics only tested on terror suspects?

Freeperville and Liberty Post would beat a path to your door and you would become an overnight sensation and the darling of neocons everywhere.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   21:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: X-15 (#45)

Freeperville and Liberty Post would beat a path to your door and you would become an overnight sensation and the darling of neocons everywhere.

All the while I'll egg them on, screaming about how the taliban kill women that smear black goopy crap around their eyes.

Do you know how to play any Dixieland instruments? How do I go about getting a commercial on network television?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   21:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)

I'm glad Gordon Smith lost. As far as he went, having a business that hired illegal immigrants and housed them in substandard housing on his family land hurt him with conservatives here in Oregon.

Jeff Merkley is a good man. I'm sure Wayne Lyman Morse, the Best senator Oregon ever had is smiling, whereever he is.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-19   21:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: X-15 (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-19   21:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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