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Title: Hatch: Tea Party movement threatening to tear GOP apart
Source: Salt Lake Tribune
URL Source: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14423113
Published: Feb 18, 2010
Author: Donald W. Meyers
Post Date: 2010-02-19 20:01:43 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 4381
Comments: 56

Sen. Orrin Hatch has a message for the Tea Party movement: Work with the GOP or see conservatives lose more ground.

"If we fractionalize the Republican Party, we are going to see more liberals elected," Hatch warned a crowd of 300 at a town meeting at American Fork Junior High School on Wednesday night, amid jeers from Tea Party supporters.

Hatch blamed extreme conservatives for the 2008 defeat of Sen. Gordon Smith, a politically moderate but fiscally conservative Republican from Oregon.

Hatch said if the Tea Party had not backed a constitutionalist candidate in that race, Smith wouldn't have lost to Democrat Jeff Merkley, whom Hatch described as "the most liberal senator," by 45,000 votes.

But Hatch's critics said he was not interested in listening to them.

"I think you guys are as out of touch as you can get," said Sarah Beeson, of American Fork. Hatch, she said, appeared more interested in raising money for candidates than listening to what the people had to say.

Beeson had been a state GOP delegate, but is now disaffected from the Republican Party and considers herself an independent. If the GOP comes back to constitutional principles rather than clutching fear, she said, she would come back to the party.

Hatch said he is working to build a bloc of fiscally conservative Republicans who can rein in President Barack Obama's policies.

Hatch credited his fundraising activities in part with getting Republican Scott Brown elected in Massachusetts, taking a seat that had been held by Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy for decades.

"It's our job to vote out people we don't like," someone yelled from the audience.

"And it is my job to help you," Hatch said.

Hatch also defended Senate Republicans' use of the filibuster rule, forcing Democrats to marshal 60 votes to end debate and move legislation to a final vote. Obama has blasted the practice as a lack of leadership and partisan sabotage.

"To pass anything they want in the Senate, they have to get 60 votes, and that is how we stop a lot of crap," Hatch said.

One of the things it is stopping is health care reform, and Hatch said Republicans will continue to do so until the administration comes to the bargaining table and moves away from socialized medicine.

Hatch said Obama's goal with health care reform is to get at least 60 percent of the country dependent on government, thus creating a permanent Democratic voting bloc.

But one thing Hatch won't do, he said, is vote against Obama appointees for partisan reasons. He said he won't stoop to the tactics he claims Democrats used against President George W. Bush's appointees.

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#17. To: Lod (#13)

Sir Lod, can you imagine, a totally brand new House of Representatives?????

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#16)

I am going to register in April so I can vote against Specter.

Good for you. Give em' hell Cyni.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#14)

I'm told I have sexy eyelashes. AND I have nice thick hair, thank you very much.

That leaves the money that pisses me off.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-19   20:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom. all (#17)

I'd like to see real Americans, not lawyers, in deecee.

How fresh would that be?

Lod  posted on  2010-02-19   20:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Dakmar (#18)

Dak...

I voted against Santorum, just to see him have to get a job.

Awhile ago he wrote an OP-ED in a Pittsburgh paper and gave his email addy.

I emailed him on his writing but he did not respond, maybe cause I told him how I felt.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#19)

Damnit, isn't there anyone here I can bribe with false promises of glamour?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#16)

I am going to register in April so I can vote against Specter.

You think I could register in PA to be able to vote against the bastard? I would love to see him outta the Senate ... yesterday!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#17)

a totally brand new House of Representatives?????

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

A chance to cut off all funding for the desert-dwellers-with-stolen-internet- connections?

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#21) (Edited)

I emailed him on his writing but he did not respond, maybe cause I told him how I felt.

Ya think? As well as I know you I'd bet he still has your address on file. :)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#1)

fuck him and his ilk.

my sentiment exactly

christine  posted on  2010-02-19   20:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Phant2000 (#23)

You think I could register in PA to be able to vote against the bastard?

Do you live in PA? MA? NY?

Yes, maybe, probably.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

Are you saying when Byrd bites the Bird, you'll not shed a tear?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-19   20:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dakmar (#22)

Damnit, isn't there anyone here I can bribe with false promises of glamour?

Are you offering discount Armani suits and preservation techniques previously reserved for U.S. Senators??

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: X-15 (#29)

Are you offering discount Armani suits and preservation techniques previously reserved for U.S. Senators??

Um...if I have to. I was hoping to sell eyelash grease I found in the attic.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar (#25)

Years ago I had a local political friend that got to know Santorum rather well.

Together we encouraged all to vote him out of office.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Phant2000 (#23)

You think I could register in PA

I am still registered in NC.

I get absentee ballots from there.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#17)

No walking dead, no robots. How refreshing that would be.

You better see how well you make out with the Easter Bunny & Great Pumpkin before you get your hopes up.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-02-19   20:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#31)

Santorum always struck me as a filthy little political monkey, stirring up dust.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   20:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Are you saying when Byrd bites the Bird, you'll not shed a tear?

Founding Fathers erred very badly when they decided that no man would stay in politics beyond a "season" and then return home.

Franklin and Jefferson were FOR term limits for all but were voted down.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#31)

I was w/the Perotists's when Santorum was first selected. He came to us and promised the world, but not term limits. We never asked him back.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-19   20:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Dakmar (#30)

Err....no thanks, I only use cosmetics that have been tested on African pygmies and are gluten-free.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   20:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Esso (#33)

You better see how well you make out with the Easter Bunny & Great Pumpkin before you get your hopes up.

Young man, I no longer have any hope.

Just look at the last election, 130 million programmed voters turned out and voted "their choice".

what nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar (#34)

Santorum always struck me as a filthy little political monkey, stirring up dust.

That was not dust.

You are correct, he lived in Virginia, kept an olde shack of a house in Pa. with no furniture.

Voters finally wised up and out he went.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   20:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

I was w/the Perotists's when Santorum was first selected.

Santorum was just another political opportunist.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   21:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: X-15 (#37)

Err....no thanks, I only use cosmetics that have been tested on African pygmies and are gluten-free.

Elitist! What if we came up with a line of cosmetics only tested on terror suspects? Oh boy what a quandry that would present... Where can I get some show-dog pheromones, we'll use them to bribe the Sarrasin guards...Bring a camera.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   21:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#35)

Founding Fathers erred very badly when they decided that no man would stay in politics beyond a "season" and then return home.

IMO one of the real death-blows to the Republic came when Congress installed central-air/heat in the late 1930's or early 1940's (I can't find the exact year), thereby allowing an environment for the congresscritters to work their evil year 'round in total comfort.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   21:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: X-15 (#42)

installed central-air/heat in the late 1930's or early 1940's

Prolly the 40s..

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-19   21:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: X-15 (#42)

Leave it to those fuckin' HVAC guys. Creeps.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-02-19   21:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Dakmar (#41)

What if we came up with a line of cosmetics only tested on terror suspects?

Freeperville and Liberty Post would beat a path to your door and you would become an overnight sensation and the darling of neocons everywhere.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-02-19   21:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: X-15 (#45)

Freeperville and Liberty Post would beat a path to your door and you would become an overnight sensation and the darling of neocons everywhere.

All the while I'll egg them on, screaming about how the taliban kill women that smear black goopy crap around their eyes.

Do you know how to play any Dixieland instruments? How do I go about getting a commercial on network television?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-19   21:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)

I'm glad Gordon Smith lost. As far as he went, having a business that hired illegal immigrants and housed them in substandard housing on his family land hurt him with conservatives here in Oregon.

Jeff Merkley is a good man. I'm sure Wayne Lyman Morse, the Best senator Oregon ever had is smiling, whereever he is.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-19   21:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: X-15 (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-19   21:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: All (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-19   21:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: X-15 (#0)

Hatch just doesn't get it does he?


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-19   22:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: X-15 (#0)

hatch is a Traitor, a Globalist sourcerer and all around prick.

i hope someone has this RINO on their A list, because i wasn't fortunate enough to draw him...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-02-20   0:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rotara (#51)

hatch is a Traitor, a Globalist sourcerer and all around prick.

i hope someone has this RINO on their A list, because i wasn't fortunate enough to draw him...

Well. Let's go to Paris.

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tom007  posted on  2010-02-20   0:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: tom007 (#52)

I hate it when I spell Sorcerer wrong...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-02-20   0:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#2)

Booby Hatch is another one that the Grim reaper will have to take out.

You're probably right, again !!!

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-20   3:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, and the whole choir (#38) (Edited)

The programming is wearing off a little and the current system of one party with two management teams is losing favor with the masses.

I see the PTB doing everything they can to either takeover or completely destroy the Tea Party movement.

The Republicans are so hard up that they have garnered the help of Glenn Beck, who has to twist his head around like the broad in the exorcist in order to demand the right to question government (mostly Obama's government) on one hand, while denying free thought, free speech, and most importantly denying that same right to "Birthers, Truthers, Ron Paul supporters, and bad tea partiers (meaning those that won't blindly follow him), claiming they are DANGEROUS and threaten the republic.

Death to traitors like Beck. Beck screwed the pooch and outed himself for the globalist tool that he is when he disrespected Debra Medina with what was perceived by many as a politically motivated ambush. Beck should be excommunicated by the Tea Party Movement and made persona non grata even if he cries like the little pussy he truly is.

This would send the message that the Tea Party movement requires true CONSTITUTIONAL statesmen and not double talking fakes like Beck that turn against people that ask Obama to provide a real birth certificate to COMPLY with the CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. The PTB are trying to put the geni back in the bottle ... too late !!! [FIRE EVERY ONE OF THE TRAITORS IN OFFICE DEM and REP ... clean out the shit house !!! ]

Beck has been able to do much of his Houdini routine without becoming obvious until this smear of Medina that has backfired on him. I don't know how anyone with two brain cells to rub together could remain a Beck supporter after his sneak attack, snide remarks, laughter and cut-throat treatment of Medina, denying us all the right to question government and Barry the Usurper. Is Beck a covert agent for the COMMUNIST - in - Chief or just the STATUS QUO ??? Is he not a true hypocrite ???

I began to get that sick to my stomach feeling about Beck awhile back when he began his conversation with Ron Paul saying "ya know ya can't win, right ? (TWICE), and even more when he started calling truthers dangerous to the republic and took an intractable position against them.

People like Beck, Limbaugh, Medved, Boortz, Hannity, O'Reilly ... every freaking one of them are HALF - TRUTHERS serving up a poison cocktail every day to maintain the status quo. These men are traitors and represent a serious threat to freedom.

There is no room for half-truthers in the Tea Party Movement. Beck especially needs to be shouted out of relevance immediately. Beck should be bullhorned into a different dimension, ostracized for his blatant attack upon Medina, the truthers, Ron Paul, and barred from Tea Party functions for his insidious attack upon liberty.

A diverse nation must have a standard and foundation upon which freedom can rest. The Constitution is that standard and any party wishing to lead this nation must be held to honor this standard.

If the Constitution is made irrelevant (and it has been) it is my firmly held opinion that force is all that remains. The Constitution CREATED the govt. and without its practical application in all matters we are effectively under martial law, constitutional government doesn't exist, and those usurpers operating inapposite to it are by definition committing treason.

"NOW" is the time for all of us to stand up for freedom first, to shout down the liars and frauds, to strike, boycott, and most of all gather the strength to remove pus sacks like Beck from infecting public discourse.

We do not have to take any more shit from these very sick psychopaths. So, let's don't. Honesty is still the best policy !

America is in the death throws caused by divide and conquer techniques driven by the propagandist's false arguments that inflame petty differences and prevent us from tearing down the federal reserve banking system that finances our national destruction by usurping our Constitution.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-20   5:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: noone222 (#55) (Edited)

Death to traitors like Beck.

People like Beck, Limbaugh, Medved, Boortz, Hannity, O'Reilly ... every freaking one of them are HALF - TRUTHERS serving up a poison cocktail every day to maintain the status quo. These men are traitors and represent a serious threat to freedom.

people absolutely just have to turn off their fucking teebees and radios.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-02-20   9:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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