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Title: Debra Medina agrees that 9/11 truthers' beliefs are 'despicable' (AUDIO)
Source: EXAMINER
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... s-beliefs-are-despicable-AUDIO
Published: Feb 22, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-02-22 03:00:31 by Artisan
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Debra Medina agrees that 9/11 truthers' beliefs are 'despicable' (AUDIO)
February 21, 11:57 PM
LA County Libertarian Examiner Martin Hill

After being interviewed by Glenn Beck and characterized by the talk show host as a '9/11/ Truther',

Debra Medina issued a statement Feb. 11 on her website regarding the Beck interview. She stated in part, "I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way.... The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered ..."

Questioned by Dallas talk show host Mark Davis last week, Medina had stronger and more derisive views of 9/11 truthers, agreeing with the host that anyone who dare would believe that the U.S. government was involved in the 2001 attack is "despicable'. Partial transcript:

Davis: "...it would have been over in a day, if after the Beck thing, you'd have said boy, I'm sorry, I messed up. I should've identified this 9/11 truther movement as the despicable paranoid cult that they are, what a horrible hateful belief to have in your head that 9/11 was an inside job. Why didnt you do that?

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#212. To: Eric Stratton (#210)

Free speech for Mr. Queen does not entail a captive audience by you.

lol......I'm not captive, Eric. However, this is a forum to discuss matters and I welcome all discussions, even with folks I disagree with.

In most buildings I'm not there to chat about issues or discuss matters, so I wouldn't feel obligated to listen. If I did go to a building for that purpose, then I would feel obligated to listen. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-22   22:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: Eric Stratton (#211)

Pulsate or gyrate is more like it.

LOL, no, watch his knees! :)

"If you think 9/11 "truth" is on the brink of wide acceptance you are in for a huge disappointment" - Mister Clean 02/22/10

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-22   22:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: abraxas (#212)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-22   23:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: abraxas (#203)

Only in your small mind, Mister Clean. Plenty of other people read books on the matter and have found plenty of legitimacy within that library. Many actually read peer reviewed scientific analysis on the matter. Oh, and some actually read analysis of high level military brass. So much to read. So much to learn.

If that's the case why do you whine about the lack of 9/11 "truth" coverage in the media?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-23   7:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Mister Clean (#215)

If that's the case why do you whine about the lack of 9/11 "truth" coverage in the media?

How many 9/11 facts have been revealed in the media, versus 9/11 lies?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-02-23   7:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: Original_Intent (#179)

"In the end the evil you represent and support will lose - one way or another, and it will not be long now. The dyke is already leaking and you are running out of fingers. Of course all of us here would like to give you a finger."

Whatchu jabberin' on about now, O_I?! LOL...so tell me truthfully, do you believe Dubyuh KNEW about the impending 9/11/01 attacks prior to them taking place, chose to do nothing, and thereby condemned 3,000 innocent Americans to their untimely deaths?

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-23   7:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: Original_Intent, christine, Mr. Clean (#159)

"[Mr. Clean] is so obviously on someone's payroll that he is a gauge of the fact that the PTB are still afraid of their exposure on the 911 PsyOp."

BWAHAHAHAHA...so now MC's very existence and demeanor as a poster is yer latest, greatest evidence that the 9/11 Truthers ain't NUTZ?!

ROFLMAO...yer killin' me, O_I...you oughtta do stand-up, dude...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-23   7:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: FormerLurker (#216)

How many 9/11 facts have been revealed in the media, versus 9/11 lies?

This is what I hear from the "truther" crowd:

1. The media is controlled by the government/elite/NWO and can't be trusted

2. The media is deliberately hiding 9/11 "truth" from the public

3. If 9/11 "truth" were taken seriously by the media, more people would wake up

Well, if all that is true, then 9/11 "truth" is definitely never going anywhere. If 9/11 "truth" requires MSM exposure to push it over the top it's never gonna happen.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-23   7:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: abraxas (#203)

Plenty of other people read books on the matter

As I have told people before, "They hide information in those and on the internet."  >(;^{)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-23   8:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Mudboy Slim (#217)

Mud let me ask you a serious question. Don't you think it is odd that they took the scenic route over Ohio and didn't go directly to the targets. They seemed pretty sure of themselves not being intercepted to fly around for almost 2 hours.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-23   8:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: Mudboy Slim (#218)

You are our stand-up comic, Slim. Nine Eleven was an inside job.


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-23   9:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: Mister Clean (#215)

If that's the case why do you whine about the lack of 9/11 "truth" coverage in the media?

lol.....whine? I merely offered a plausable explanation as to why so many people don't even know that building 7 fell, along with a few other salient questions. Questions that you avoid, dance around and divert to meaningless drivel like this whine accusation.

Then you claimed people weren't interested in consipiracy theories. I responded that Jesse Ventura disagrees with a large viewing audience for ONE show covering the 911 truth movement that aired years later.

Are you just playing stupid or do you have some sort of disability in relation to following along a thread and reading comprehension?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-23   9:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Mister Clean (#152) (Edited)

"Gee, it's been 9 years. Why isn't the "truth" freely known yet?"

Mister you can Cleanie my wiener, how nice of you to care to want to bait me in a new thread.

Now go back to your overseer and tell him you want a new forum to work. You ain't going to get anywhere here,


Toruk Makto

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-23   10:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: A K A Stone (#221)

"Don't you think it is odd that they took the scenic route over Ohio and didn't go directly to the targets. They seemed pretty sure of themselves not being intercepted to fly around for almost 2 hours."

Do I think it's "odd" that four amateur pilots had some issues with getting their bearings straight as they flew a passenger jet accross a coupla times zones? Yeah, I think that whole scenario is surreal...how come only one plane's passengers chose to fight back against four puny groups of terrorists? Fact is, I don't see how the heck the Islamofascists pulled off such a caper, but there's a big chasm of doubt between saying THAT and claiming that Dubyuh had foreknowledge of the attack and chose to let it run its course. The evidence I've seen that's purported to support said allegation has been less than convincing, imho.

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-23   13:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Ferret Mike (#222)

"Nine Eleven was an inside job."

Lack of any evidence whatsoever supporting yer allegation notwithstanding...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-23   13:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Ferret Mike (#222)

Hmmm...turns out that the Great&MercifulLordMessiah Obama is an incompetent PUTZ and a hardcore Marxist ideologue, not unlike ALL elected RATS.

Time to flush the DeeCee commode of all the RATS/RINOs in Congress...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-23   13:58:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: abraxas (#223)

Are you just playing stupid or do you have some sort of disability in relation to following along a thread and reading comprehension?

I'm trying to understand why more people aren't buying into 9/11 "truth." You blame the media but then you point out that people can read about it and watch Jesse Ventura's show.

It just sounds to me like you don't think 9/11 "truth" will ever be considered legitimate unless the MSM treats its seriously.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-23   20:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: Ferret Mike (#224)

You ain't going to get anywhere here,

And 9/11 "truth" ain't going to get anywhere, period.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-23   20:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Mister Clean (#228)

people can read

Therein lies a problem......people, like yourself for instance, CAN read but you don't. The reading rate in this nation is pathetic.

Here's some dismal reading statistics from 2007:

•58% of the US adult population never reads another book after high school

•42% of college graduates never read another book

•80% of US families did not buy or read a book last year.

•70% of US adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years

•57% of new books are not read to completion.

•Most readers do not get past page 18 in a book they have purchased.

Actually, I posted an article from the Washington Times today discussing the need for another investigation into 911. Seems 1000 architects and engineers have some serious questions regarding the goobermint scenario on that day. Imagine that.....the Washington Times posing the question of another investigation.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-23   20:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: abraxas (#230)

Therein lies a problem......people, like yourself for instance, CAN read but you don't. The reading rate in this nation is pathetic.

So 9/11 "truth" hasn't caught on with most Americans because:

a) The MSM keeps the information from them

b) Not enough people read

Okay!

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-23   20:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: abraxas (#230)

people can read

Therein lies a problem......people, like yourself for instance, CAN read but you don't. The reading rate in this nation is pathetic.

Here's some dismal reading statistics from 2007:

•58% of the US adult population never reads another book after high school

•42% of college graduates never read another book

•80% of US families did not buy or read a book last year.

•70% of US adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years

•57% of new books are not read to completion.

•Most readers do not get past page 18 in a book they have purchased.

Interesting stats.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-23   20:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: Mudboy Slim (#225)

Fact is, I don't see how the heck the Islamofascists pulled off such a caper, but there's a big chasm of doubt between saying THAT and claiming that Dubyuh had foreknowledge of the attack and chose to let it run its course. The evidence I've seen that's purported to support said allegation has been less than convincing, imho.

Regards...MUD

You have to have faith that Islamo-Fascists did the deed and there's less proof of that than advanced insider knowledge. I'm not saying "w" knew it in advance because I doubt Dubya knew what day it was. The CIA had plenty of advanced knowledge as has been documented from numerous sources.

Whomever pulled off the caper convinced NORAD to sit idle while they flew around for as long as an hour and a half prior to striking the fucking PENTAGON. The most secure facility on planet earth, bro. And no video ... hahahaha !!!

Where's the evidence of Islamo-fascists flying those huge aircraft at high speeds, making incredible manuevers to strike their targets ? Oh yeah, no black boxes either ... ho hum !

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-23   20:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: noone222 (#233)

Interesting...it's obvious you've studied this caper a lot deeper than I have...so, fer the record, do you believe the Twin Towers were taken down by a series of explosive charges set (by whom is up fer debate) prior to 9/11/01? I'm not being facetious here, but I've been debating this issue with the 9/11 Truthers on various chat forums fer 8-9 years, and these are the sorta points they defend that make me doubt their credibility.

"I'm not saying "w" knew it in advance because I doubt Dubya knew what day it was."

Hmmm...I realize yer a Bushbasher from waaay back, but do you really believe Dubyuh was/is this clueless dunderhead you and many other Obamabots imagine? Mis-underestimating yer political adversaries may be fun sport with yer fellow haters, but it's ultimately counter-productive to achieving yer political aims.

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   7:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Ferret Mike (#222) (Edited)

"You are our stand-up comic, Slim."

Thanks Mike, my purpose here is to amuse, bemuse, and eventually educate...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   7:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Mudboy Slim (#234)

do you believe the Twin Towers were taken down by a series of explosive charges set (by whom is up fer debate) prior to 9/11/01?

Yes. I believe this is undeniable.

(However, I have even considered it a possibility that explosives are secretly built into these buildings since we know that they will eventually be brought down).

If the explosives were placed as part of a conspiracy my guess would be that it was done sometime after the 1993 bombing. The company doing the clean-up after the 1993 Bombing was "TRI-DATA" a sub-division of "Systems Planning". Systems Planning designs, builds, installs and services remote control devices for large aircraft/and drones. The CEO of Systems Planning prior to his taking the position of Comptroller of the Pentagon was Dov Zakheim. (Who also came up missing a couple trillion bucks on 9-10-01, according to Don Rumsfeld).

Zakheim had means, motive, and opportunity, the three key elements critical to investigating any crime.

I realize yer a Bushbasher from waaay back, but do you really believe Dubyuh was/is this clueless dunderhead you and many other Obamabots imagine? Mis- underestimating yer political adversaries may be fun sport with yer fellow haters, but it's ultimately counter-productive to achieving yer political aims.

My distaste for Bush started with his grandfather, increased dramatically with his father and continues to this moment. I have believed that George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in killing Kennedy for approximately 20 years, so my loathing of this family is not a recent development. Whether "w" is a retard or a genius makes little difference to my analysis. I think his entire family are psychopaths.

Nor do I see any difference in the puppets placed in the oval office except in their varying abilities in selling their puppet masters bullshit.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   8:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: noone222 (#236)

"...do you believe the Twin Towers were taken down by a series of explosive charges set (by whom is up fer debate) prior to 9/11/01?"

"Yes. I believe this is undeniable."

Well, my friend, more power to you, but we're gonna haveta agree to disagree that this is an "undeniable" truth...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   9:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Mudboy Slim (#237)

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

We agree on this !

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   9:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: noone222 (#236)

"I have believed that George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in killing Kennedy for approximately 20 years..."

Hmmm...let's not stray too far from the subject of this thread, but that's the first time I've heard that charge. Dubyuh's daddy sure musta been a busy bee...remember, a lotta folks believe he also secretly authorized Saddam to take over Kuwait, plus, we all know his LIES about never raising our taxes saddled us with eight years of Slick Willie in the White House.

Personally, I think Bush, Sr.'s most egregious offense was squandering the ReaganLegacy and the momentum that was gained in '80 and '84. That said, I don't actually believe he was an ally of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   9:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: noone222 (#238)

"We agree on this!"

Good...you'd think most folks who post to a political chat forum called the "freedom4um" would agree that the U.S. Constitution is really the only thing besides WeThePeople that protects our God-given liberties from being ignored by tyrannical leaders in DeeCee. I may not have bought into all yer theories related to 9/11 and/or the JFK assassination, but I share yer distaste fer most of those folks we place in the highest echelons of the Federal bureaucracy, be they RATS or RINOs. Dubyuh turned out to be just as I predicted him to be, a virtual clone of his Milquetoast Moderate daddy...it was his inability--or unwillingness--to "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!" that led directly to the ouster of Pubbies in 2006 and 2008, imho.

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   10:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: Mudboy Slim (#239)

That said, I don't actually believe he was an ally of Lee Harvey

Me either, I don't think Oswald shot anyone that fateful day, though I think there's a lot more to learn about Oswald's intelligence ties.

Have you ever seen the document from the Houston FBI Office recording the phone conversation with George Herbert Walker Bush, owner of Zapata Oil Company, made within an hour of Kennedy's murder, wherein Bush claims to have some information regarding a college student that has been making threats about killing Kennedy ?

Bush claims that he is calling from Tyler, Texas and is on his way to Dallas.

Here:

Do you think Bush was being honest when he told the Senate at his confirmation hearing as CIA Director that he had NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE ?

Do you know that the Bay of Pigs Operation was named operation Zapata ?

Did you know that the two ships used to attack Cuba at the Bay of Pigs were named "Barbara" and "Houston" ?

There's enough evidence to call a GRAND JURY, there's no statute of limitations on murder. J. Edgar Hoover sent out a memo to indicate that he'd notified "George Bush / CIA" of the Kennedy Assassination. (Bush denied any knowledge and said it must have been someone else ... what bullshit).

Bush, Nixon and E.Howard Hunt were all involved in the anti-Castro campaign in Florida, where they recruited some of the Watergate Burglars ... Nixon was Eisenhower's VP at the time of the anti-Castro activity, and he was in Dallas, the day before Kennedy was murdered. And later said, uhh, I don't recall where I was when Kennedy was killed ... as did Bush.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   12:58:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: Mudboy Slim (#240)

At this stage of the game it looks to me like they invented the Federal (Reserve Bank) Government to destroy the Constitution.

The solution would be to devolve power back to the states, counties, and local governments.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   13:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: noone222 (#241)

Alrightee, I read yer memo...but before I answer all yer questions--fwiw, I hadn't heard anything about the circumstances you allege regarding the Bay of Pigs, did the US Navy actually have a ship called the "Barbara"?--just answer me this, "HOO the heck's 'SA Graham W. Kitchel' and is he alive to corroborate this memo?" Furthermore, if this memo was "Unclassified" on 10/15/93, did ANYONE ever try and track down this ex-student at the Univ. of Houston (James Parrott)?

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   14:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: noone222 (#242)

"The solution would be to devolve power back to the states, counties, and local governments."

Yep, and the only folks hurt in such a scenario are those who are presently profitting by bleeding us dry, forever sucking on the teat of the Federal Leviathan...'bout time those jokers got a REAL JOB that produces something useful for their fellow man...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   14:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: noone222 (#241)

"George Herbert Walker Bush, owner of Zapata Oil Company..."

"Do you know that the Bay of Pigs Operation was named operation Zapata?"

If this is true, and by implication, Bush had a hand in the Bay of Pigs operation or was carrying out some sorta vigilante vengeance fer JFK's failure to liberate the Cuban people from the tyrannical Fidel Castro, why would Dubyuh's daddy call attention to himself in such a way? Is he just STOOOPID or arrogant or did he secretly wanna get caught?

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-02-24   14:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: Mudboy Slim (#243)

"HOO the heck's 'SA Graham W. Kitchel'

Special Agent Graham Kitchel was the on duty agent that took Bush' call on Nov. 22, 1963

That memorandum didn't come out until long after Kennedy was murdered. It came out with the last bunch of declassified Kennedy documents. (circa 1993)

In 1963 they didn't have caller I.D. (as far as I know). Bush was trying to establish an alibi. I think he got a case of the nerves / heebee jeebees. I also know that he met with J.Edgar Hoover the day after Kennedy was killed.

I do not know anything about Parrot.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   15:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Mudboy Slim (#243)

did the US Navy actually have a ship called the "Barbara"?

The Bay of Pigs Operation was not a US Navy OP ... it was CIA and they had purchased the ships. Allen Dulles (who later sat on the Warren Commission) was fired by Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs event.

At the time Bush had oil drilling rigs off the coast of Cuba as part of the Zapata Oil Company. He got into that "business" with a (CIA) buddy from his college days at Yale that was also a Skull and Bones member.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   15:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: Mudboy Slim (#245)

If this is true, and by implication, Bush had a hand in the Bay of Pigs operation or was carrying out some sorta vigilante vengeance fer JFK's failure to liberate the Cuban people from the tyrannical Fidel Castro, why would Dubyuh's daddy call attention to himself in such a way? Is he just STOOOPID or arrogant or did he secretly wanna get caught?

Old Man Bush was being interviewed by Sarah McClendon on a national TV Program and she asked him what he thought would be his LEGACY ... Bush responded "Sarah, if the American people ever found out what we Bush's have done they'd chase us down the street and lynch us"

That may not be the exact quote.

One last thing. The headquarters building of the CIA at Langley, Va. is named after George H. W. Bush. At the dedication ceremony, George Tenet gave the dedication speech. In that speech he THANKED Bush for "PRESERVING" the CIA.

The only time the CIA faced extinction was when Kennedy said he was going to break it into a thousand pieces and throw it to the wind.

Think about it. Bush was only the CIA Director for one lousy year. Why would they name their headquarters after him ?

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   15:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Artisan, Christine, ALL (#0)

From: Medina for Texas Campaign

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010

Subject: Re: AJ says he's withdrawing his support of Medina if she doesn't issue an apology on her comment about truthersSource: [None]

Thank you for contacting the Debra Medina for Governor Campaign.

That interview was last week. No where does Debra say "truthers are despicable people". No where does she say asking questions is despicable. Here's the transcript:

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M: Then there's just one other thing that's left, because not being a truther is great. I'm thinking, of course you're not, of course you're not, but sometimes the wisdom is defined by knowing whom to praise and whom to, quite frankly, condemn. Someone walkin' around with the belief that America would do this to its own people, that President Bush and those around him would slaughter our own citizens in order to justify war, is a despicable thing to believe.

D: Agreed.

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We are THIS close to beating the establishment. We have to keep up the pressure, dig in, work hard and we can win this election. The status quo would like nothing better than to derail this campaign and keep one of their own in office. We've seen from their years in office that neither Kay nor Rick have any interest in representing the people of Texas ahead of their own personal agendas. What have they done to make your life better? To protect your rights to life, liberty and property? When have they EVER scaled back the size of government to any meaningful degree?

We not only have the chance to change history in Texas, and restore our rights as a free people, but also the course of the US. The world is watching what we do here in Texas. Are we going to let this stop us? I have placed my faith in the ability of Debra Medina to lead us in this fight, and I will stand by her and fight for our rights with her. I will not cave because the opposition is trying to divide and conquer. No one said this was going to be an easy fight. It's up to us to stay the course, keep our eye on the prize, and keep fighting.

Thank you,

Dustan

Medina for Governor

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-24   15:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: noone222 (#236)

My distaste for Bush started with his grandfather, increased dramatically with his father and continues to this moment. I have believed that George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in killing Kennedy for approximately 20 years, so my loathing of this family is not a recent development. Whether "w" is a retard or a genius makes little difference to my analysis. I think his entire family are psychopaths.

Nor do I see any difference in the puppets placed in the oval office except in their varying abilities in selling their puppet masters bullshit.

I completely agree with that..

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-24   16:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: James Deffenbach (#250)

I completely agree with that..

Glad to have your support, J.D.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-24   16:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: noone222 (#233) (Edited)

Oh yeah, no black boxes either ... ho hum !

Well, they are making those out of the wrong material. They should just make them out of passport paper; everyone knows that is indestructible. Or so it would seem.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-24   16:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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