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Title: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists
Source: TPM
URL Source: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.co ... ores_de-citizenship_of_us_cit/
Published: Feb 22, 2010
Author: Steve Clemons
Post Date: 2010-02-22 13:07:45 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 446
Comments: 19

Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

By Steve Clemons - February 10, 2010, 12:07PM At the highest levels of the US military, a quiet discussion is going on about putting in place a legal framework that would permit the US government to strip American citizenship from terrorists.

The case of Las Cruces, New Mexico born al Qaeda commander Anwar al-Aulaqi, who has been a key organizer and recruiter for the terrorist organization in Yemen is the primary driver of this exploration of possibly modifying US law to allow "de-citizening."

As the Washington Post's Dana Priest recently revealed, al-Alaqi was added recently to a short list of other Americans for whom there are kill orders in place.

A senior Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has told me that to his knowledge, there has been no serious discussion in the Committee of stripping US citizenship from terrorists, but a senior Pentagon official has confirmed that some in the military are exploring the upsides and downsides of such a more routenized mechanism for stripping citizenship.

A national security attorney who serves in an advisory capacity to President Obama has reported to me that there is no legal way for the US military or the government to strip citizenship from Americans.

But Eugene Volokh, exploring in a Salon article the case of American gone al Qaeda adventurer John Walker, writes in 2001 that "8 U.S.C. § 1481 : US Code - Section 1481" may provide such a mechanism.

As Volokh then wrote pondering whether a terrorist could be stripped of his US citizenship:

Maybe. A federal statute says that a citizen loses his citizenship by "serving in the armed forces of a foreign state if such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States" but only if he does so "with the intention of relinquishing United States [citizenship]." This topic can be more ably discussed by sharp legal minds like Jeffrey Toobin, Jeffrey Rosen and Glenn Greenwald -- but it seems to me that establishing a regularized legal framework specifying that alleged terrorists be stripped of US citizenship so that the military can deal with those de-nationed individuals differently reminds me of the kind of legal gray area that Cheney national security adviser David Addington loved to create.

By posting this question, I trust that others will review other cases and the legal background of this question of stripping citizenship in times of war -- and weigh in.

The Pentagon's top stars are mulling over this issue now and just beginning to probe receptevity in the administration and among some in Congress.

-- Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note. Clemons can be followed on Twitter @SCClemons

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#3. To: abraxas (#0)

They'll probably have 100 Million VOLUNTEERS to waive, forfeit, give back, shit, puke or otherwise unload their FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP !

Free at last, Free at last !!!

noone222  posted on  2010-02-22   13:30:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#3)

They'll probably have 100 Million VOLUNTEERS to waive, forfeit, give back, shit, puke or otherwise unload their FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP !

Free at last, Free at last !!!

Heh. I wish they'd do the same on my side of the Atlantic - I am only too happy to renounce my EU citizenship. lol

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-22   13:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: irishthatcherite (#7)

I am only too happy to renounce my EU citizenship. lol

The citizenship thing is pure pookey - dookey ... in Europe or America. It's a contract to a FEDERAL BANK slave master.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-22   13:48:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#9)

The citizenship thing is pure pookey - dookey ... in Europe or America. It's a contract to a FEDERAL BANK slave master.

I was reading up on that a few weeks ago, makes sense. Most of us get to walk around free - but the moment the authorities decide to target you for something, you are fucked, a multitude of agencies bent on destroying your life. You learn very quickly that your rights are not worth the paper they are written on. Here is a prime example of Neo-Feudalism in my own country:

audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/majellaemail.mp3

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-22   13:59:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: irishthatcherite (#11)

audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3

audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3

audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3

Everyone should play this three times and let it sink in. It's exactly the same here as it is everywhere in the INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-22   14:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#12)

Everyone should play this three times and let it sink in. It's exactly the same here as it is everywhere in the INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD.

Yes, we are living under dictatorship and don't even know it. I often envisage what would happen if bailiffs aka legalised aggravated burglars landed on my doorstep... regardless of outcome, they would be weeks in hospital, if not dead.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-22   14:53:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: irishthatcherite (#15)

I often envisage what would happen if bailiffs aka legalised aggravated burglars landed on my doorstep... regardless of outcome, they would be weeks in hospital, if not dead.

I'm committed to keeping my yard free of any scum like you mention above.

Whatever it takes !

noone222  posted on  2010-02-22   14:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222, Original_Intent (#16)

I'm committed to keeping my yard free of any scum like you mention above.

Whatever it takes !

Even the stuff O_I's logger friend uses! lol

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-22   15:14:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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