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Title: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists
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Published: Feb 22, 2010
Author: Steve Clemons
Post Date: 2010-02-22 13:07:45 by abraxas
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Views: 416
Comments: 19
Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists By Steve Clemons - February 10, 2010, 12:07PM At the highest levels of the US military, a quiet discussion is going on about putting in place a legal framework that would permit the US government to strip American citizenship from terrorists. The case of Las Cruces, New Mexico born al Qaeda commander Anwar al-Aulaqi, who has been a key organizer and recruiter for the terrorist organization in Yemen is the primary driver of this exploration of possibly modifying US law to allow "de-citizening." As the Washington Post's Dana Priest recently revealed, al-Alaqi was added recently to a short list of other Americans for whom there are kill orders in place. A senior Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has told me that to his knowledge, there has been no serious discussion in the Committee of stripping US citizenship from terrorists, but a senior Pentagon official has confirmed that some in the military are exploring the upsides and downsides of such a more routenized mechanism for stripping citizenship. A national security attorney who serves in an advisory capacity to President Obama has reported to me that there is no legal way for the US military or the government to strip citizenship from Americans. But Eugene Volokh, exploring in a Salon article the case of American gone al Qaeda adventurer John Walker, writes in 2001 that "8 U.S.C. § 1481 : US Code - Section 1481" may provide such a mechanism. As Volokh then wrote pondering whether a terrorist could be stripped of his US citizenship: Maybe. A federal statute says that a citizen loses his citizenship by "serving in the armed forces of a foreign state if such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States" but only if he does so "with the intention of relinquishing United States [citizenship]." This topic can be more ably discussed by sharp legal minds like Jeffrey Toobin, Jeffrey Rosen and Glenn Greenwald -- but it seems to me that establishing a regularized legal framework specifying that alleged terrorists be stripped of US citizenship so that the military can deal with those de-nationed individuals differently reminds me of the kind of legal gray area that Cheney national security adviser David Addington loved to create. By posting this question, I trust that others will review other cases and the legal background of this question of stripping citizenship in times of war -- and weigh in. The Pentagon's top stars are mulling over this issue now and just beginning to probe receptevity in the administration and among some in Congress. -- Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note. Clemons can be followed on Twitter @SCClemons
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#1. To: abraxas, Cynicom, Orginal_Intent (#0)
Yeah, it's alCIAduh and it's ilk that they're worried about. /s
"They can take away our private planes...but they'll NEVER take away our will to fight !"
They'll probably have 100 Million VOLUNTEERS to waive, forfeit, give back, shit, puke or otherwise unload their FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP ! Free at last, Free at last !!!
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
lol......your cup is always half full noone. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Be afraid Rotara, be very afraid.......time to pull Binny out and plaster his mug all over the MSM again. Red light day for terror in the USA.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Too many veterans with too much knowledge of how to break things and kill people. That is what scares them so much about veterans, because if a few "specialists" take things into their own hands they will have a "body count". You think Iraqi's know how to make "IED's"? You haven't seen anything yet. I have a cousin who used to blow up log jams for a living. He has forgotten more about explosives and how to effectively use them than the entire Iraqi Resistance. And he is not the only one.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Free at last, Free at last !!! Heh. I wish they'd do the same on my side of the Atlantic - I am only too happy to renounce my EU citizenship. lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." LOL, I have to say I like noone's attitude! ;)
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." The citizenship thing is pure pookey - dookey ... in Europe or America. It's a contract to a FEDERAL BANK slave master.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
Thanks, I like to be optimistic even when the FEDS make it their mission to pee in my cup.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
I was reading up on that a few weeks ago, makes sense. Most of us get to walk around free - but the moment the authorities decide to target you for something, you are fucked, a multitude of agencies bent on destroying your life. You learn very quickly that your rights are not worth the paper they are written on. Here is a prime example of Neo-Feudalism in my own country: Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3 audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3 audioserver.todayfm .com/audio/majellaemail.mp3 Everyone should play this three times and let it sink in. It's exactly the same here as it is everywhere in the INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
Long live the loggers !!!
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yes, we are living under dictatorship and don't even know it. I often envisage what would happen if bailiffs aka legalised aggravated burglars landed on my doorstep... regardless of outcome, they would be weeks in hospital, if not dead.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." I'm committed to keeping my yard free of any scum like you mention above. Whatever it takes !
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
Whatever it takes ! Even the stuff O_I's logger friend uses! lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." Exactly. It is a dictatorship enforced by information control, propaganda, and Psychiatric manipulation (mostly covert). Through control of the media and the courts the controllers (Rotchilds/Rockefuckers) keep the Sheeple herded into ever diminishing pastures, while the wolves selectively cull out, and feast on their blood, the bolder Rams. Except that we have a population explosion of Rams and they are not quite sure how to contain us all.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The Elite have underestimated the potential of the Internet - they no doubt had/have their uses for it, or it would have never gotten off the ground, but it has backfired. Many sheep have realised their "Inner Ram" as a result. lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#2. To: All (#1)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#3. To: abraxas (#0)
#4. To: noone222 (#3)
#5. To: Rotara (#1)
it's alCIAduh and it's ilk that they're worried about
#6. To: Rotara (#2)
"They can take away our private planes...but they'll NEVER take away our will to fight !"
#7. To: noone222 (#3)
They'll probably have 100 Million VOLUNTEERS to waive, forfeit, give back, shit, puke or otherwise unload their FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP !
#8. To: abraxas, noone222 (#4)
lol......your cup is always half full noone. : )
#9. To: irishthatcherite (#7)
I am only too happy to renounce my EU citizenship. lol
#10. To: abraxas (#4)
your cup is always half full noone. : )
#11. To: noone222 (#9)
The citizenship thing is pure pookey - dookey ... in Europe or America. It's a contract to a FEDERAL BANK slave master.
#12. To: irishthatcherite (#11)
#13. To: Original_Intent (#6)
You haven't seen anything yet. I have a cousin who used to blow up log jams for a living. He has forgotten more about explosives and how to effectively use them than the entire Iraqi Resistance. And he is not the only one.
#14. To: noone222 (#13)
#15. To: noone222 (#12)
Everyone should play this three times and let it sink in. It's exactly the same here as it is everywhere in the INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD.
#16. To: irishthatcherite (#15)
I often envisage what would happen if bailiffs aka legalised aggravated burglars landed on my doorstep... regardless of outcome, they would be weeks in hospital, if not dead.
#17. To: noone222, Original_Intent (#16)
I'm committed to keeping my yard free of any scum like you mention above.
#18. To: irishthatcherite, noone222, all (#15)
Yes, we are living under dictatorship and don't even know it.
#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Except that we have a population explosion of Rams and they are not quite sure how to contain us all.
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