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Title: Devvy Kidd: What if a Joe Stack had murdered Joe Banister?
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd482.htm
Published: Feb 23, 2010
Author: Devvy Kidd
Post Date: 2010-02-23 10:53:29 by christine
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Comments: 13
By now, most of the country is aware of the suicide plane crash on February 18, 2010, in Austin, Texas. As it so happened, I was on the road to Tyler, Texas that morning to see Dr. Edwin Vieira speak the next day. Upon my return, I sent out an email with my opinion because I could not believe how many emails were there praising Joe Stack. He was a real patriot hero! In my quick note, I said: Old Joe also killed an innocent person in that building. Allegedly, that fatality was an IRS employee. Hooray. Old Joe did the "mission accomplished" his way, but it won't change one single IRS regulation. He also badly injured 13 people - two are in critical condition because of massive burns. You know, from the fuel burning their flesh to a crisp. People who suffer those kinds of massive burns experience pain that is almost impossible to describe; then sometimes years of surgery. Although it's reported that none of those people work for the IRS, I'm not 100% certain at this time. But, those injured don't make IRS laws or regulations. That is the domain of Congress. Pukin' senators like Charles Grassley. Hell, many of the injured might even feel the same way as old Joe: Plucked clean in taxes. Joe burned his house to the ground leaving his wife and 12 year old daughter homeless and to fend for themselves. Think his wife will be able to get their insurance company to pay off? Fat chance. While Joe is sorting things out with God, he left his family with a horrible situation. His legacy to his daughter is that he killed an innocent person, injured 13 other people; two in critical condition. Gee, that was my dad! You saw him on the news, perhaps you even saw the funeral of the person he killed or the two people who had their flesh burned so badly! We're all frustrated and angry. ALL of us want the IRS abolished and a return to constitutional revenues for a limited form of republican government. Killing innocent people is not the answer, but I suppose Joe simply couldn't take it anymore and instead of quietly taking some sleeping pills and posting his manifesto, better to kill innocent people along the way and leave his family to take the heat and shame. Some on Facebook are heralding Stack as a hero: "And some people on Facebook couldn't agree more. "Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the Constitution," wrote Emily Walters of Louisville, Ky." Yes. As expected the lame stream media and cable are painting Stack as a domestic terrorist and a "troubled individual." That is to be expected and Joe gave them a juicy hunk to promote and attack all of us working so hard to get the solutions implemented. Those statements on Facebook give gas bags like Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews even more fodder. But, I ask you: Do you declare war on those who have no role in policy or law making? Is this not what those suicide bombers in the Middle East do? Blow up dozens of people at a restaurant or people just riding a bus, to make their statement? Tourists at an outdoor restaurant or even locals stopping for some coffee and conversation. Riding the bus to church or work and they get blown to bits or burnt to a crisp and live, because some group wants to make a statement. We condemn that, but because it's an American who hated the IRS, Stack is a hero? We can see the police state tightening the noose. Stack gives the evil doers in DC more "justification" for more draconian laws and attacks on our freedom. I despise the IRS, but I would never destroy innocent people like that just to make a statement. I read Stack's last words (manifesto) and he is right on so many counts. Too bad he couldn't hold it together and get involved -- we are gathering strength in numbers. But, think of the impact on all 13 injured plus their families. Did they make a single IRS regulation or law? Did any of them sit on a single committee in Congress and write IRS regulations? Mom, dad, sister, brother, aunt, maybe even a grandpa -- just another day at work and then their lives changed in a ball of fire. What if it was you in that building or your husband, wife, son, daughter? You, your wife, husband, son, daughter don't work for the IRS, they just have an office in a building that employs IRS workers, but your lives are expendable because of a frustrated, angry man? Tens of millions of us are, believe me. Is it okay with you to be a victim of the next Joe down the road? Is it okay with you for the next Joe to kill your son, daughter, husband, wife or grand daughter working in a building that happens to have offices for a govmint agency he hates? Will people call the next Joe a hero when it's their loved one who has NO role in making laws or regulations? Aw, tough luck. Wrong place, wrong time. The solution is right there, but not enough pressure has been put on the state legislatures to pass honest money bills and revitalize the constitutional militia. The power of the purse and the power of the sword. THAT is the answer. Not flying a plane into a building and playing God with people's lives. You might feel differently. I don't know. I just know no one is a winner in this tragedy. Devvy My opinion was posted on the net which immediately brought hate mail into my email box. Some of filled with nothing but the F word and what I coward I am for not supporting Joe Stack. Stack struck back and "killed the IRS!" Joe Stack didn't kill the IRS or one single IRS regulation in the tax code. He murdered a 68-year old man named Vernon Hunter, a Vietnam veteran who served two tours over there. Yes, Hunter worked for the IRS.[1] To my knowledge, he never wrote any section of the IRC. Yes, like Joe Banister, Sherry Jackson and John Turner, who all quit the IRS, Hunter enforced the regulations. Someone sent email saying Stack's family should be proud of him instead of ashamed. Sheryl Stack gave a written apology to all the families of the victims of her husband's "patriotic act of defiance." Well, she didn't call it patriotic, but so many emails I received have. As I said above, Mrs. Stack and her daughter are left with nothing but her husband's mess. Stack aimed HIS plane (not a rental) at the lower floors of that building which housed about 190 IRS workers. As I said above, he injured 13 people; two badly burned. Do we know if any of those 13 people were real patriots out there fighting to cure the cancer and jettison every single member of Congress because THEY are the ones who are responsible for the IRS remaining an agency? I wonder why there was no cry of "Hoorah! back in June, 2003, when a sausage factory owner in Northern California shot and killed two USDA meat inspectors and one from the State of California? That business owner had been harassed to the point where one day, he simply snapped and killed them all.[2] Lots of employees lost their jobs. That 79 year old business closed down. Stewart Alexander was tried for the murder of three and attempted murder of another inspector he chased down. He now sits on death row. Where were the cries of hero back then? Because it was just USDA employees and one state employee and not the IRS? I can tell you the USDA has destroyed countless farmers and businesses with their endless regulations and fines. The UDSA has been making life miserable for our ranchers and farmers for years with their attempts to create a costly and unnecessary nonsense called a National Animal Identification System. How about the Federal Death Administration (FDA)? There is a cabal of nothing but outlaws running amok with the blessing of Congress who are directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and destroying the lives and livelihoods of good doctors who want people to treat their bodies with natural supplements. Would everyone cheer on victims of those agencies if some Joe Stack decided to gun down a few? Larken Rose, a victim of the IRS who sadly served time, wrote this: "Now comes the controversial, uncomfortable part. Several people have already asked me whether I approve of what Mr. Stack did. Any good, unthinking obedient serf would immediately blurt out, "Of course not!" In short, though I am saddened that the world had to lose Mr. Stack in the process, and though there are alternatives I would have much preferred, yes, generally I have to praise him for what he did. I'm not about to emulate him, nor would I suggest that anyone else do so, but he had the courage to do something about the injustice he saw, and that puts him ahead of 99.99% of the population." I ask Larken Rose this: If my daughter had been in that building visiting some office and she was killed, a victim of Joe Stack's rage, would you still be praising him for what he did? Tell me, LarkenRose: Would my daughter or any of the other innocent victims who worked in a building that housed IRS employees (something all the victims had no control over) be acceptable "collateral damage" in your eyes because Joe Stack had the "courage" to do something about the injustice he saw? I must assume those who think Joe Stack is a hero won't mind being a victim of the next Joe Stack because he/she kills IRS employees or USDA employees. I must assume those who think Joe Stack is a hero won't mind if their wife, son, daughter, husband or grandpa just happens to be collateral damage the next time a Joe Stack decides to kill employees of the SSA (Social Security Administration) because he/she had a grudge against them. Hey, too bad. Wrong time, wrong place. Joe Smokestack couldn't get his extra SS benefits. So what if those employees at some local SS office didn't make the rules under Title 42, they enforce them. Don't blame Congress, blame the lackey. Yes, I know the history of the Berlin wall and "they were just doing their job." Subscribe to the NewsWithViews Daily News Alerts! Enter Your E-Mail Address: Now, I ask: What if a Joe Stack had killed Joseph Banister, a friend of mine? For those who don't know Joe, he was an IRS Agent. Specifically, a CID agent (Criminal Investigator). He enforced IRS laws and he wore a gun to enforce those regs. Joe was in a secure job making $80,000 a year with unlimited potential. Until one day when he heard me on the radio talking about the income tax. What I said bothered Joe and he decided to prove me wrong. For part two click below. Click here for part -----> 2,
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#1. To: christine, DevvyKidd (#0)
Sorry, Devvy, but 'just following (IRS-feral reserve) orders' ain't going to cut it. What if Patriot and Hero J. Allen Stack ends up creating 2 or 10 or 50 or 100 more Bannisters ?? A good plan is for all the toads working for the feral reserve extortion and harassment agency of Globalist bandits to find a new line of work...and for the rest of us to stay far away from the beast and it's houses of pain and / or death.
War is a very cruel event. The war in America is generally being fought by the government against its citizens through legalized robbery, confiscation and all too often murder with impunity. All wars experience collateral damage that cannot always be avoided. Innocent people suffer right along side the guilty. The truth is, innocent people are the primary target of the criminal government(s) running the States and most of the world. The American people have been under a very subtle attack for 100 plus years. Peace loving people can be pushed to do things that they abhor and that under reasonable conditions they would never think of committing. People employed by the federal government should reconsider their employment and just exactly what purpose they serve. It's not alright to say or think that one has the right to a job with the feds when that job forces them to act in opposition to the the rights of their fellow citizens. Joe Bannister quit (I think). Most of these people working for the FEDS are required to take an oath to uphold the Constitution and they have never read it. People should generally avoid federal buildings.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
yes, Joe Bannister quit as did Sherry Jackson and John Turner. maybe Rotara is correct in that events like this will induce others to the same although in this current economic climate, it's less likely since jobs are hard to come by. Lindsay Williams predicted that in 2 yrs we'll all be working for fedgov.
things are starting to give. i hope any DECENT sheeple working for the feral reserve et al start to really consider what their life is all about. i'd rather flip burgers for cash and muddle through the good old fashioned way than cash in on the feral reserve tit as a reward for fucking up my fellow Americans...
or killing them / avoid getting killed IMO...
Lindsay Williams predicted that in 2 yrs we'll all be working for fedgov. I think we'll see an increase in resistance in a variety of scenarios as we are dragged into the NWO, as the economy disintegrates, as gangs develop gaining more power, and as Uncle Sambo increases oppressive confiscation. I hope Mr. Williams is wrong. Frankly, I have never liked him and can't stand to listen to him at all. There will also be a lot of those within the government that will support freedom and help the resistance.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
I'm not big on Pyrrhic Victories. Was this an act of defiance? OR Was it simply a man who had sunk so low that he gave up fighting? If Mr. Stack was not under another influence and did do this on his own what positive long term change did he effect?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Personal nap time was extended infinitely, and tax liability reduced to zero.
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
Devvy, Where was Vernon Hunter when the Feds hacked off the hands and feet of Gordon Kahl? The State Murder Of Gordon Kahl The Uncensored Gordon Kahl Story Gordon Kahl War's a bitch. Just ask the 1.3 [or is it 2] million innocent Iraqis USrael has slaughtered in its war of terror.. ================= edit: "The Uncensored Gordon Kahl Story 3-25-00 Well it's tax time people...and for those of you who don't remember... or never heard the story...I thought I might send this along for you to see just how enslaved we are...and what might happen if you fail to pay homage to your master, the federal government. Pete THE UNCENSORED GORDON KAHL STORY In 1968, Tax Protestor Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns. For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, some 250 phone calls would come into the radio station over the next two days; either supporting Kahl in some aspect, or pledging never to file another tax return. And with that, the IRS came down on Kahl like a ton of bricks. They quickly assembled a case against him and two weeks later threw a criminal prosecution against him for violating Title 26, Section 7203 ["Willful Failure to File"]. Gordon Kahl was a low-income farmer not even meeting minimal statutory standards for threshold income levels achieved before being required to file 1040s, but that was not about to stop the IRS, who is good at changing the facts by creating facts. ......." www.rense.com/politics6/kahl.htm " CHIEF JUSTICE ADMITS NO FAILURE TO FILE INCOME TAX LAW EXISTS ! It can all be found here: QUOTE: "I'm not familiar with a statute that makes that a crime by itself" ..."but the fact that you didn't file...frankly...it's my impression that that would not by itself be a crime". ..then it says on pg. 6 lines 20-25 of the transcript, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court William Rhenquist said: "We'd better not let the word get out"..."We'll keep it just among ourselves"... and they have the nerve to laugh about it! ...." "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
A 1040 form is for Tribute Paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209) > 26. ... "The United States" did not declare independence from Great Britain... THE ULTIMATE DELUSION - Who Owns You? http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread24637/pg1 The IRS Is NOT Who You Think They Are The IRS is not who you think they are. IRS agents are neither trained nor paid by the United States Government. Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No. 92, the IRS is trained under the direction of the Division of Human Resources United Nations (U.N.) and the Commissioner (International), by the office of Personnel Management. In the 1979 edition of 22 USCA 278, "The United Nations," you will find Executive Order 10422. The Office of Personnel Management is under the direction of the Secretary of the United Nations. Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No. 91, the IRS entered into a "Service Agreement" with the US Treasury Department (See Public Law 94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967, Reorganization (BANKRUPTCY!!!) Plan No. 26)and the Agency for International Development. This agency is an international paramilitary operation and according to the Department of the Army Field manual (1969) 41-10, pgs 1-4, Sec. 1-7 (b) & 1-6, Sec. 1-10 (7)(c) (1), and 22 USCA 284, includes such activities as, "Assumption of full or partial executive, legislative, and judicial authority over a country or area." The IRS is also an agency/member of a 169 nation pact called the International Criminal Police Organization, or INTERPOL, found at 22 USCA 263a. The memorandum of Understanding, (MOU), between the Secretary of Treasury, AKA the corporate governor of "The Fund" and "The Bank" (International Monetary Fund, and the International Bank for reconstruction and Development), indicated that the Attorney General and its associates are soliciting and collecting information for foreign principals; the international organizations, corporations, and associations, exemplified by 22 USCA 286f. According to the 1994 US Government Manual, at page 390, the Attorney General is the permanent representative to INTERPOL, and the Secretary of Treasury is the alternate member. Under Article 30 of the INTERPOL constitution, these individuals must expatriate their citizenship. They serve no allegiance to the United States of America. The IRS is paid by "The Fund" and "The Bank." Thus **** it appears from the documentary evidence that the Internal Revenue Service agents are "Agents of a Foreign Principle" within the meaning and intent of the "Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938" for private, not public, gain. The IRS is directed and controlled by the corporate Governor of "The Fund" and "The Bank." The Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS collection agency are both privately owned and operated under private statutes. The IRS operates under public policy, not Constitutional Law, and in the interest of our nations foreign creditors. The Constitution only permits Congress to lay and collect taxes. It does not authorize Congress to delegate the tax collection power to a private corporation, which collects our taxes for a private bank, the Federal Reserve, who then deposits it into the Treasury of the IMF. The IRS is not allowed to state that they collect taxes for the United States Treasury. They only refer to "The Treasury." Copyright Chris Hansen" http://www.meguiar.addr.com/IRS_UN.htm NOT ONE RED CENT COLLECTED BY THE IRS IN INCOME TAXES GOES TO PAY FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES , BUT TO PAY THE INTEREST ON THE FRAUDULENT NATIONAL DEBT TO THE BANKSTERS. - President Reagan's Grace Commission/Devvy Kidd's WHY AN INCOME TAX IS NOT NECESSARY TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Devvy is entitled to her opinion. But the innocence claim is lost on me. Personally, I consider employees / agents of the irs morally equivalent to purveyors of kiddie porn. There is no functional value to their vocation & the well being of all with whom it comes into contact is damaged.
Is that with or without chains and leg irons?
This seems to be the key difference on opinion of Stack. Whether there is or is not a way to fix the problem "above board". If you think there is, then Joe Stack was wrong. If you think there isn't, then... Sorry Devvy, but the correct answer on this hypothetical isn't exactly obvious to me.
first of all, the odds of hitting a (potential) patriot in a feral reserve facility are extremely remote. second, how long do we give sheeple to wake up before it's ALL lost ? another week ? month ? year ? how much time do we have to turn the tide ??
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#2. To: christine (#0)
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#3. To: noone222, Rotara (#2)
#4. To: christine (#3)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#5. To: christine (#3)
Lindsay Williams predicted that in 2 yrs we'll all be working for fedgov.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#6. To: christine (#3)
maybe Rotara is correct in that events like this will induce others to the same although in this current economic climate, it's less likely since jobs are hard to come by.
#7. To: christine (#0)
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
what positive long term change did he effect?
#9. To: christine (#0)
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Gordon Kahl was viciously murdered in 1983 by a gang of brutal criminals who have never been brought to justice. .... http://www.rense.com/general75/kahl.htm
For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, ... http://www.rense.com/politics6/kahl.htm
I, GORDON KAHL, a Christian Patriot, and in consideration of the events which have taken place within the last few hours, and knowing to what-lengths the ... http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/kahl01.htm
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U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Admits No 'Failure To File' Income Tax Law Exists
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http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/docket/2001/january.html#00-1831
www.supremecourtus.gov/or...nt_transcripts/00-1831.pd f Read all of page 5 & 6, lines 9 thru 24 of the oral argument!
Read the case here:
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1831.ZS.html
In the transcript of the Oral Argument:
He (Chief Justice Rhenquist) and the United States attorney (Kent Jones) admit there is NO statute (LAW) that makes it a crime for "failure to file" an income tax return!
#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns.
Dec 16, 2005 ... It is not an Agency of the United States, but of THE UNITED NATIONS! ... Meet The IRS - Americas Enemy Within >Provided by: D. J. Logan
#11. To: christine (#0)
Old Joe also killed an innocent person in that building.
#12. To: christine, noone222, Rotara (#3)
Lindsay Williams predicted that in 2 yrs we'll all be working for fedgov.
#13. To: christine (#0)
The solution is right there, but not enough pressure has been put on the state legislatures to pass honest money bills and revitalize the constitutional militia.
How about the Federal Death Administration (FDA)? There is a cabal of nothing but outlaws running amok with the blessing of Congress who are directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and destroying the lives and livelihoods of good doctors who want people to treat their bodies with natural supplements.
Would everyone cheer on victims of those agencies if some Joe Stack decided to gun down a few?
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