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Title: AJ says he's withdrawing his support of Medina if she doesn't issue an apology on her comment about truthers
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Post Date: 2010-02-23 13:18:18 by christine
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#71. To: Original_Intent (#68)

even when she's being a vulgar bitch. ;-)

Now, this is closer ... I am a vulgar bitch every now and again.

Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-23   16:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Sam Houston (#60)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-23   16:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Lod (#63)

She surely could have turned the table on her tormentors by asking if they weren't for finding out the truth about any situation or problem in our country, and let it go at that.

She could have capitalized on the massive distrust of career politicians and .gov in general much more than she did (which is the reason she had gathered so much support and attention).

that's it, Jim.

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   16:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: scooter (#57)

I said it then that Beck's ambush would likely work and she would spend the rest of her campaign defending her statement and then having to go back and re-define it over and over again. She did all that and finally stuck her foot in her mouth. And if none of that had worked, the final nail in her coffin was delivered the second the plane hit the IRS building in Austin. The media has had a field day with the anti-tax and limited government movement with this and they don't have to say Medina's name in order for that broad brush to paint her with it.

i think you're right about that.

the bottom line, however, with Debra, is that if she were truly the honest and principled woman we thought she was, she would not have flipflopped.

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   16:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: christine. all (#73)

Break in the snow, so it's time to lasso the lads and hit the streets.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-23   16:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: christine (#74)

according to the polls, medina's got 20%...

do you approve of alex jones continuing to beat this dead horse?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-23   16:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: PSUSA (#44)

Now when another candidate says a few trigger phrases and words that give you a hard-on, or wet panties, think back to this time.

All I needed to know was she married a Mexican.

The only real problem anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't adopt Haitians.

They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible."

THAT is not our problem.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-02-23   16:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Original_Intent (#66)

B. This is more PsyOps i.e., the main thrust of the media comment is to reinforce that it is not allowed to question the 911 Scriptures and that regardless of how many contradictions appear one is required to believe as a condition of Public Office - or be eviscerated in public by the controlled mediawhores.

...Alice laughed. `There's no use trying,' she said `one ca'n't believe impossible things.'

`I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. `When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast..."

Through the Looking Glass, chapter 5, Wool and Water

One must have the capacity to believe in many impossible things to believe the establishment's insane conspiracy theory about 9/11.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-23   16:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: groundresonance (#58)

which begs the question: why bother supporting anyone?

do you think medina's so stupid she hasnt learned her lesson from this incident?

i'm really sorry, but i had to ask that question...

I still hold out hope for local and state offices and I cling to any glimmer of hope with the national ones.

I would hope she's learned her lesson though it is too late for her. I think she has been given some bad advise and talking points. Take a step back for a moment. Most people want a decent paying job, spend time with their family, live in peace and get the government off their back. We're a mobile society and for better or worse, people don't take or don't have the time to really question and research events. Take Medina's first comments on Beck and those sound a bit extreme. Now combine that with her recent remarks and she's gone to the other extreme. She was probably told she had alienated a lot of people with her first response and on recent comments she's managed to alienate the other spectrum. There are any number of ways she should have handled this from the first event, but jumping from one pole to the other has given Perry, Hutchinson and their acolytes nothing but continuous canon fodder to not only ruin her shot but damage the limited government and taxation cause as well. Most people are going to see a flip flop on such a hot button issue and then move on to decide between Perry or Hutchinson.

I don't understand the disconnect with Alex here. Ron Paul has denied a lot of Truther claims on 9/11 and Jones gives him a pass. Has Alex ever sat down with Ron Paul to address specific 9/11 questions? I don't think he has. So I don't understand the pass with Paul and continuing to press Medina on it. Alex could have just let it be and hammer away on limited government and taxation in an effort to revitalize her campaign.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-02-23   16:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Lod (#63)

Medina may have been good for the citizens of Texas.

First commandment of the New judeo Century: Thou shalt not allow anything that benefits the citizens.

The tribe's excuse for attacking Medina was because she ran afoul of the tribe's official 911 cover story.

She tried to backtrack and climb into bed with the tribe.

Then the tribe finished her off. End of story.

Texas and America lose again. Better luck next time!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-02-23   16:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: scooter (#79) (Edited)

still hold out hope for local and state offices

seems likely to me that the kommissars will begin to screen candidates for political reliability before they run for dogcatcher.

you got to wonder how medina got as far as she did before she got stepped on ...unless she was intended to be an object lesson.

and our pudgy friend is demonstrating his true character, isnt he?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-23   16:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent (#66)

OI...

After receiving my refund..rereading the wording, I suspect I was not the first to ask for my donation back.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-23   16:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: scooter (#79)

Ron Paul didn't flipflop nor did he say that those who hold truther beliefs are despicable. Ron Paul did say though, IIRC, that 9/11 truthers sure weren't helping him. AJ said several times that it wasn't Medina's own 911 position that troubled him, it was that she flipflopped and, in the process, threw all those who have questions that supported her, under the bus.

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   16:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#82)

did you get a refund?

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   17:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: christine (#83)

so you approve of alex whacking away on the dead horse.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-23   17:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#84)

did you get a refund? did you get a refund?

"A $100 credit has been issued back to your Visa card. Please allow up to 2 business days for it to show up on your statement."

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-23   17:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: groundresonance (#85)

that's not how i would characterize it. maybe you should listen to what he said yourself before criticizing and making accusations about AJ's duplicity here.

this is big news here in Texas. he should have talked about it.

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   17:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent (#61)

Agreement and disagreement do not have to be expressed in tasteless displays of vulgarity.

Was I writing to you? No I wasn't.

Stay out of it.

Bozo is nice. Perhaps you could put me there.

And you, OI, you fuckwit: I have not one time even hinted that I am perfect. I am flawed just like everyone else. Perhaps the main difference is: when political parasites lie to me once, I don't give them a second chance to ever lie to me again. Seems that there are some political masochists that like to be beaten by any politician that says the right soothing words.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-23   17:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#87) (Edited)

so you approve of alex whacking away on the dead horse.

that's not how i would characterize it.

what is alex getting out of this?

why must he beat a dead horse?

doesnt he have better things to talk about?

and that's precisely why i dont listen to alex jones... he simply isnt worth the time.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-23   17:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: PSUSA (#88)

Stay out of it.

Bozo is nice.

I dont Bozo anyone, never have. There is a reason why.

Everyone has something to add to every discussion, so I read input from all on items of interest. I do object to your abusive use of obscene language, it neither interests me nor impresses me.

I do read with interest most of what you post, just refrain from the obscene.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-23   17:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: christine (#87)

...not to mention the fact that he's a grandstanding, whining little bully.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-23   17:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: James Deffenbach (#78)

One must have the capacity to believe in many impossible things to believe the establishment's insane conspiracy theory about 9/11.

It comes down to a variety of factors.

1. People who believe things to be true which are in fact false. Someone operating off of false information will draw false conclusions. Almost daily I recognize another angle to the Psychiatrically planned information and perception management memes in place. To a greater or lesser degree this includes anyone who regularly reads or watches a major media outlet. The major media at this point (ABCNNBCBSFOX) AND the large Newspapers and Magazines e.g., Slime, Snoozeweek, US NEWS AND WORLD DISTORTS, the New York Slimes, COSMOPOLITAN, Lady's Home Urinal, US, THEM, PIMPLE, etc., .... They are outlets all owned and controlled by a very small group of megamedia control companies which in turn are owned, indirectly, by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and vassals to the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. There are other players, but those two are the biggest and the top is all basically allied in their desire to establish a totalitarian system with themselves in charge.

2. When presented with contradictory data people are unwilling or unable to sort through the information and draw a sound conclusion. The Skool Systum not only no longer teaches reading properly, but history, and as important as reading - logic and sound reasoning.

3. And some are simply moral cowards who are afraid that the people running the World Crime Operation will make things uncomfortable for them or simply too afraid or too stupid to look

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   17:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: groundresonance (#91)

A bit of humbleness goes a long way with me.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-23   17:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: PSUSA (#88)

Tsk, tsk. Such a temper. Do you feel like you are changing opinions by being vulgar and tasteless?

You are of course. You leave people with a definite impression of yourself. So, any intelligent analysis you might offer is buried under the tasteless language and personal epithets.

However, I do believe in freedom of speech so if you wish to be crass, tasteless, boorish, assinine, graceless, and coarse please feel free.

As for bozo I don't use it - ever. It is kind of like Menckens comment - "why do people go to zoos?"

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   17:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Cynicom (#82)

OI...

After receiving my refund..rereading the wording, I suspect I was not the first to ask for my donation back.

I suspect that at this point even she knows she is done.

I still have to wonder if she was forced to recant? Probably will never find out but the people who want to keep 911, and people's perceptions, under control are probably very worried at this point. I suspect there are some tight feeling collars in some quarters. So, the enforcement of the Official Fairy Tale among the political class becomes paramount.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   17:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Original_Intent. all (#95)

On the local poll here, Debra is at 57.8pc when I just checked.

It's a dopey poll, 'cause you can "only vote, once an hour."

Lod  posted on  2010-02-23   18:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Lod, All (#96)

From Paul Davis:

RICK PERRY FOR GOVERNOR!

How the hell does that sound to you, my fellow Truth-seekers?

It is absolutely amazing to me how people are so quick to throw someone under the bus.

Do you really think that Debra thinks that "truthers" are despicable? Especially after all she's said about it recently?

I will freely admit that she screwed up on this one. I told Penny, her Campaign Manager, that she has to come out with a sincere, 'from the heart' statement and apology. Debra got caught up in the "politics" of it all and agreed to something that she doesn't feel.

You guys have no idea of the pressure that she's constantly under... no idea!

It seems to me that people expect her to be perfect and say all the right things and make all the right decisions so that they can feel better about themselves.

I appreciate all of you out there who have enough discernment and thinking- skills to see this as it is.

It'll be interesting to see what Debra does.

I'll be working towards getting her elected Governor of Texas just like I was yesterday.

Paul

christine  posted on  2010-02-23   18:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Lod (#96)

After AJ's tirade today I expect her numbers to rapidly erode. She may ride a little ways on momentum, but she even if she were to win the nomination, which she won't, she'll lose in the General.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   18:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: noone222 (#35)

Alex Jones had nothing to do with what she said.

I agree.

I actually hated to hear what Alex said because I, like others here, wanted to see a grass roots candidate in the Governor's Office.

However, when the day comes that a true grass roots candidate gets into that office, I don't want it to be some whishy-washy milque-toast, flip-flopper.

Since she is a flip-flopper, I am glad that Alex exposed her for who she really is.

It is difficult to find a good grass roots candidate for the Governor's Office.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-23   18:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: christine (#83)

Ron Paul didn't flipflop nor did he say that those who hold truther beliefs are despicable. Ron Paul did say though, IIRC, that 9/11 truthers sure weren't helping him. AJ said several times that it wasn't Medina's own 911 position that troubled him, it was that she flipflopped and, in the process, threw all those who have questions that supported her, under the bus.

You make a great point there.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-02-23   18:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: TwentyTwelve. all (#99)

The worst grass-root candidate would be better than a lifer pol.

Throw a dart at the phone book and they're my guy.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-23   18:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#98)

After AJ's tirade today I expect her numbers to rapidly erode. She may ride a little ways on momentum, but she even if she were to win the nomination, which she won't, she'll lose in the General.

She will soon be forgotten.

Her great-great grandchildren will someday want to know what happened to her any why she became wishy-washy.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-23   18:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Lod (#101)

Throw a dart at the phone book and they're my guy.

Not much difference in any of them.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-02-23   18:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Original_Intent (#95)

I still have to wonder if she was forced to recant?

Good question.

Now that you mention it, I would believe she was pressured by someone some how.

As for the refund, seems to me to be too easy, too quick, unless there were many others.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-23   18:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: TwentyTwelve, all (#102)

After AJ's tirade today I expect her numbers to rapidly erode. She may ride a little ways on momentum, but she even if she were to win the nomination, which she won't, she'll lose in the General.

I don't know.

At least 90pc of the voters don't dig nearly as deeply as do we.

They may not have a clue as to the issues that we're discussing here.

I wouldn't bet a nickel either way on the outcome of this primary.

I'll still vote Medina.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-23   18:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: christine (#97)

At this point she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Another flip flop - with the clear statement she made on the Klear Channel Radio-droid Mark Davis' program - and she gets pilloried. If she doesn't apologize to her truth seeking base she gets pilloried (and many - will be "once burned ...") - either way the Goose is done.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   18:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#104)

I still have to wonder if she was forced to recant?

Good question.

Now that you mention it, I would believe she was pressured by someone some how.

As for the refund, seems to me to be too easy, too quick, unless there were many others.

The quickness of the refund is an interesting datum. It would seem to imply that the campaign is taking a dive. That being the case then the earlier speculation that she was "gotten to" becomes more likely.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   18:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: christine (#97) (Edited)

You guys have no idea of the pressure that she's constantly under... no idea!

Paul...

Not all of us just rode into town yesterday.

Ron Paul had his say with the Trotski memo, Medina had hers with the "despicable" truthers.

Ms. Medina stumbled badly, her advisers were inept at very least.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-23   18:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Original_Intent (#92)

2. When presented with contradictory data people are unwilling or unable to sort through the information and draw a sound conclusion. The Skool Systum not only no longer teaches reading properly, but history, and as important as reading - logic and sound reasoning.

It seems that a lot of folks believe that thinking is strenuous activity that they aren't getting paid to do and therefore refuse to do it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-23   19:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Lod (#96)

It's a dopey poll, 'cause you can "only vote, once an hour."

LOL! You think people are "freeping" that poll?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-23   19:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: James Deffenbach (#109)

It seems that a lot of folks believe that thinking is strenuous activity that they aren't getting paid to do and therefore refuse to do it.

Or in the immortal words of the late Freddie Prinze's Puerto Rican Janitor Character: "It's na' my job."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-23   19:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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