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Title: Uh-oh...There's More to the story on Joe Stack
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URL Source: http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2 ... stack-had-911-nsa-cia-and.html
Published: Feb 24, 2010
Author: ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com
Post Date: 2010-02-24 11:27:26 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Joe Stack, NSA, Homeland Security
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 Joseph Andrew Stack Had 9/11, NSA, and Homeland Security Related Defense Contractor Clients The client list from the software programmer believed to have crashed his plane into the Echelon* building in Austin Texas reads like a guidebook to defense contractors with connections to 9/11, NSA and Homeland Security. The FBI had his webpage removed (the screen message previously said that the FBI had it removed) from the internet, but of course the client list from the webpage has been archived. As first discovered by Cryptogon, the client list has corporations on it such as Interstate Electronics Corporation, which needed Mr. Stack's help on developing a GPS-based Fight Management System of all things. IEC is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3 which is a defence contractor with obvious Homeland Security and NSA connections. There is also this report from Wayne Madsen on Oped News of an L-3 consultant to the NSA who had watched a live feed of the first 9/11 plane impact as it happened. L-3 is included among corporations which were investigated by the SEC for unusual stock put-options in relation to 9/11. Cylink Corporation, another on Mr. Stack's client list had as it's Chief Executive Officer, William P. Crowell who "came to Cylink from the National Security Agency, where he held a series of senior positions, including Deputy Director of Operations and the Deputy Director of the Agency. From 1989 to 1990, Crowell served as a vice president at Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation, now a subsidiary of Titan Systems, leading business development in space technology, signal processing and intelligence systems." Hughes Aircraft, one of Stack's clients, developed the ground mission control segment of the Global Hawk. Another Stack client, Teledyne, is the prime contractor for the Global Hawk, and L3 supplied its communications system. Other clients on the list such as DMC Stratex Networks and Sorrento Electronics also are defense contractors and probably a closer examination of these and other corporations on Stack's client list will reveal more interesting details. *Note: the name echelon itself refers to a "signals intelligence (SIGINT) collection and analysis network" coordinated by the NSA. Update: see also Joe Stack co-owned hanger with Homeland Security Initiative Program Manager Posted by George at 4:22 AM Labels: 9/11, austin, clients, defense contractors, echelon building, joseph andrew stack, l-3, nsa, plane crash
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#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)
2012 The FBI, government, is digging deep to find co-conspirators of any shade or size, anyone to drag into Federal court for display for the masses. We have to go along with Stacks manifesto.
www.prisonplanet.com/joe-...ntelligence-agencies.html Joe Stack’s Intriguing Connections With Defense Contractors, Intelligence Agencies Austin suicide pilot jointly leased hanger with manager of air defense systems manager Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Tuesday, February 23, 2010 Austin suicide pilot Joe Stack kept some very interesting company as far as the client list for his software programming company is concerned, including a defense contractor with NSA and Homeland Security connections that ironically dealt with air defense systems. The Georgetown Airport hanger in which Stack’s ill-fated Piper Cherokee was kept was jointly leased by Stack and a man called John Podolak, records show. The Of Goats and Men blog highlights the fact that Podolak was appointed in 2004 to manage L-3 Avisys’ Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Counter-MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) initiative. L-3 Avisys is a defense contractor with its main headquarters based in Austin Texas which sells products and works closely with the Department of Defense and unnamed “U.S. Government intelligence agencies”. Podolak was hired to “oversee a strong team of more than 10 IRCM defense suppliers who will perform research studies and lead the transition of the team’s proposed CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System) technology to the airline industry.” L-3 was also a key client for Stack’s software programming business. Stack helped develop a GPS-based Fight Management System for IEC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3. L-3 was also investigated by the SEC for its role in the suspicious number of “put options” on United and American Airlines, speculation that a company’s stock will fall, in the days before 9/11. Indeed, former NSA official Wayne Madsen wrote in September 2008 that, “A long-time L-3 Communications consultant for the National Security Agency (NSA) was, according to our source, one of the very few recipients of the live video stream that caught the first plane hitting the North Tower.” “Other clients on the list such as DMC Stratex Networks and Sorrento Electronics also are defense contractors and probably a closer examination of these and other corporations on Stack’s client list will reveal more interesting details,” notes the blog. The blog also highlights transponder flight tracking records of Stack’s plane which show that its last journey took place on August 6, 2009, and not on February 18 last week when the aircraft was slammed into the Echelon building. One poster on the Prison Planet forum speculates, “This plane may still be in a hanger at GTU.” Could Stack’s lightweight Piper Cherokee really have caused such drastic damage to the facade of the Echelon building when compared with other small planes that have crashed into buildings like that of New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle? The huge fireball reported by eyewitnesses could well have been as a result of extra fuel canisters Stack had loaded onto the plane to inflict maximum damage, but this has yet to be confirmed by authorities. Intimate ties with defense contractors, not just through his software company, but on a personal level with L-3’s John Podolak will only serve to deepen the intrigue surrounding the motivation behind Stack’s attack on the IRS building, with scant details having emerged since the tragic incident last week. Another startling contradiction comes in the form of Stack’s last words, which were reported by the media and apparently confirmed by audio from air traffic control tapes to be, “Thanks for your help, have a good day.” However, audio taken from radio scanners who also recorded Stack’s last words is slightly different from that being forwarded as the official version. The second version of the audio, Stack’s final words are, “I’m definitely checking out, have a good day.” A comparison of the two clips can be heard at this link. While one eyewitness described seeing no pilot in the cockpit, another told WeAreAustin.com, “The pilot looked like he was in a comatose state; leaning back and going on in.” Another interesting discrepancy to have emerged is the fact that Stack’s daughter told the Associated Press that Stack’s suicide note did not sound like it was written by him. “It’s not him. The letter itself sounds like it’s coming from a different person. It didn’t sound like it came from him,” Samantha Dawn Bell told the AP.
one main question about that... is there any reason to believe that stack wrote that manifesto, seeing as how it would be of such great importance in establishing the official account of stack's death?
beelzabush and Stack ??
one main question about that... is there any reason to believe that stack wrote that manifesto, seeing as how it would be of such great importance in establishing the official account of stack's death? Another interesting discrepancy to have emerged is the fact that Stack’s daughter told the Associated Press that Stack’s suicide note did not sound like it was written by him.
We do have an established fact. Stack did fly the airplane into the building. He left behind his reasons, even the government will accept all of that. There is nothing to be gained by weighing, "what ifs". Just like Von Brunn, he did the deed, died because of it, no one else was involved.
L-3 was also investigated by the SEC for its role in the suspicious number of “put options” on United and American Airlines, speculation that a company’s stock will fall, in the days before 9/11. Total coinky-dinky, I'm sure ! wow...
Stay tuned....
the main thing that raises my eyebrows is the presence of EMTs and FDs from several surrounding areas in the parking lot across the street supposedly running drills before Stack's plane hit the building. hmmmmm.
if the govt wrote the manifesto... then what?
Do we know that Joe was who authored the manifesto? Lots more questions than answers in this op. To me, anyway.
well, at least it seems pretty certain that he was in the airplane when it hit the building.
I agree with your analysis. If this had been a "psy op" we'd be hearing about it on every news channel 24/7 and a plethora of new restrictions on private pilots etc. would have been rolled out, just for starters. Instead, it appears as if the PTBs want to hush this one up.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Do we know that Joe was who authored the manifesto? Lots more questions than answers in this op. To me, anyway. “It’s not him. The letter itself sounds like it’s coming from a different person. It didn’t sound like it came from him,” Samantha Dawn Bell told the AP.
that didn't settle well with me either when i saw that reported LIVE. what's the 'Official Story®' ?
Huh! Thanks.
...as if you weren't.
it is starting to appear that Stack was a bit of a 'player' in the information age, eh ?
nw0.eu/2010/02/22/joe-sta...e-was-written-by-him.html on 21/02/2010 (3 days ago) by NW0.eu in Terrorism & 9/11, Comments (0) Joe Stack’s Family Doubt Suicide Note Was Written By Him Via Prison Planet.com » Featured Stories Realvolution Radio Sunday, February 21, 2010 According to an article from the Associated press, the Austin, Texas, suicide pilot’s note was not written by him. The note that was suspiciously found on his website almost immediately after the attack does not match his character. “It sounds like it’s from some other person,” Samantha Dawn Bell, Stack’s daughter from his first marriage, told The Associated Press in an interview from her home in Norway. “It’s not him. The letter itself sounds like it’s coming from a different person. It didn’t sound like it came from him.” news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100...e_us/us_plane_crash_texas
Austin, Texas Plane Crash 'Oddities Austin Plane Crash Witness: Hazmat, Fire Department In Place Before Crash (Austin News / KXAN.com) 18 Feb 2010 Witness account of the plane crash in NW Austin --'I know that the Fire Department got here real fast, because they actually had an engine sitting over there [pointing] that just happened to be doing something with Hazmat, so they were over here, like, right away.' (Video) February 18, 2010 Witness account of the plane crash in NW Austin
Thanks for the clip.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
lol - yep, there's that. I guess that Lucky Larry missed this opportunity...
Photo: Samantha Bell/ABC News
i'd like to see the email between samantha and joe. not that they could have said anything truthful... seeing as how joe must have been completely familiar with echelon and whatever else they're using to keep track of us.
We have to not guess at ..."what if". Fruitless.
ah. so, in the absence of fruit, we're supposed to swallow the government's lemon of a story, hook, line and sinker.
Perhaps but if that were the case the government would be all over it trying their best to find someone that knew about it for a show trial. This is domestic event, not foreign intrigue. The last thing the government wants is for more of the same.
you dont think the govt got a lot of domestic mileage out of vilifying stack and tax protesters?
Not at all. We have to realize, with this event, it is in the governments interest to FIND A CONSPIRACY. If there was just one person that knew about it and the government finds him, they will parade him around to show there was a conspiracy and they will need to clamp down on pilots and airplanes in the name of security.
nope. it's in the govt's interest to make its point and kill the story, before people start digging around, exactly as we're doing here. mission not quite accomplished... due to logic, common sense and certain inconvernient possibilities, people are digging around... but the message is out there... "tax protesters are assholes that fly airplanes into buildings, just like those nasty arabs."
Indeed, There will be new restrictions. The government is hoping against hope that they can find someone else involved as it is to their advantage in clamping down on security for the masses. We cannot go fishing in a rain barrel as there is water but no fish.
this whole thread is about inconvenient fish that TwentyTwelve caught. the only other fish that have shown up on the thread are you and sam.
TX Plane Crash Exposes Gap in U.S. Air Security Your photo is not appreciated. If you have nothing to offer otherwise, dont waste my time.
i gotta say... your reaction to this thread is interesting.
"Private pilots fly approximately 200,000 small and medium-size planes in the U.S., using 19,000 airports, most of them small. The planes' owners insist the aircraft have nothing in common with airliners but the sky. "I don't see a gaping security hole here," said Tom Walsh, an aviation security consultant. "In terms of aviation security, there are much bigger fish to fry than worrying about small aircraft." (See pictures from the Fort Hood, Texas shootings.) He said most would-be terrorists would draw the same conclusion — that tiny aircraft don't pack a big enough punch. Planes like Stack's weigh just a few thousands pounds and carry no more than 100 gallons of fuel, he noted. A Boeing 767 weighs 400,000 pounds and carries up to 25,000 gallons of fuel. Walsh and other general aviation advocates argue that stringent security and bureaucracy would deter recreational fliers and slow down a vibrant, multibillion-dollar general aviation industry, causing economic damage."
Yeah, but think of all the government jobs it would create. :-)
--------------------------------------------------------- Could Joe have been offed because he knew too much? One of the recurring patterns in these kinds of things seems to be doing more than one thing with the hit. Nick Berg probably learned too much about U.S. Ops in Iraq (likely working for Mossad) and so was whacked as part of poorly done PsyOp film. Except they had to kill the op because there were too many outpoints in the video that gave it away - like one of the executioners speaking in Russian. Of course we could always ask the D.C. Madam. It is also possible that he was used as a Mind Control subject and was too resistant so they had to get rid of him. Whatever the case, we need more data, this is beginning to develop a "certain odor" about it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It is starting to come out. I am sure that much more will be exposed soon.
That is a politically correct statement. =|:-)=
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#13. To: groundresonance (#9)
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what if stack was murdered to cover up his real real message, which would have been - --had he lived to tell it--- "GPS that i helped develop was used by the government to steer the airliners on 9/11."?
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
We have to go along with Stacks manifesto.
#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
"A long-time L-3 Communications consultant for the National Security Agency (NSA) was, according to our source, one of the very few recipients of the live video stream that caught the first plane hitting the North Tower. The only other official who revealed that he saw the first plane strike the building on a live television link was President George W. Bush. Bush said on two occasions that he saw the first plane hit the building on television while waiting to speak to a group of elementary schoolchildren on the morning of 9/11.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#16. To: groundresonance, Cynicom (#14)
We have to go along with Stacks manifesto.
#17. To: groundresonance (#14)
is there any reason to believe that stack wrote that manifesto,
#18. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)
L-3 was also a key client for Stack’s software programming business. Stack helped develop a GPS-based Fight Management System for IEC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#19. To: Rotara (#15)
beelzabush and Stack ??
#20. To: Rotara, TwentyTwelve, Cynicom. all (#15)
#21. To: Cynicom (#17)
He left behind his reasons, even the government will accept all of that.
#22. To: Cynicom, all (#12)
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We have to go along with Stacks manifesto.
#23. To: Cynicom (#17)
Stack did fly the airplane into the building
#24. To: Cynicom (#17)
#25. To: Lod, Cynicom, all (#22)
We have to go along with Stacks manifesto.
#26. To: christine (#20)
the main thing that raises my eyebrows is the presence of EMTs and FDs from several surrounding areas in the parking lot across the street supposedly running drills before Stack's plane hit the building.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#27. To: TwentyTwelve (#25)
#28. To: Sam Houston (#24)
If this had been a "psy op" we'd be hearing about it on every news channel 24/7
#29. To: Sam Houston (#24)
Instead, it appears as if the PTBs want to hush this one up.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#30. To: Lod (#27)
#31. To: christine, Rotara, Cynicom. all (#20)
the main thing that raises my eyebrows is the presence of EMTs and FDs from several surrounding areas in the parking lot across the street supposedly running drills before Stack's plane hit the building. hmmmmm.
#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#31)
#33. To: Lod (#2)
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#33)
#35. To: Lod (#32)
#36. To: TwentyTwelve (#35)
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#37. To: groundresonance (#21)
if the govt wrote the manifesto... then what?
#38. To: Cynicom (#37)
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Fruitless.
#39. To: Lod (#22)
Lots more questions than answers in this op.
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
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This is domestic event, not foreign intrigue.
#41. To: groundresonance (#38)
so, in the absence of fruit, we're supposed to swallow the government's lemon of a story, hook, line and sinker.
#42. To: Cynicom (#41)
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in the governments interest to FIND A CONSPIRACY.
#43. To: Sam Houston (#24)
and a plethora of new restrictions on private pilots etc. would have been rolled out, just for starters.
#44. To: Cynicom (#43)
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We cannot go fishing in a rain barrel as there is water but no fish.
#45. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston, *9-11* (#43)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#46. To: groundresonance (#44)
AUSTIN, Tex. - The widow of the Internal Revenue Service employee killed when a Texas man crashed his plane into the agency's office is suing the pilot's widow.
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
#48. To: wudidiz (#45)
www.time.com/time/nation/...le/0,8599,1966939,00.html
#49. To: TwentyTwelve (#48)
Walsh and other general aviation advocates argue that stringent security and bureaucracy would deter recreational fliers and slow down a vibrant, multibillion-dollar general aviation industry, causing economic damage."
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#50. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
Was Joe silenced as part of the pre-flight prep?
#51. To: Original_Intent (#50)
Whatever the case, we need more data, this is beginning to develop a "certain odor" about it.
#52. To: wudidiz (#49)
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Yeah, but think of all the government jobs it would create. :-)
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