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Title: Ok Alex, the gloves are OFF!!
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URL Source: http://dailypaul.com/node/126916
Published: Feb 27, 2010
Author: Jefferson
Post Date: 2010-02-27 10:39:24 by christine
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Views: 520
Comments: 30
I have known Alex Jones for many years. I have known many that were in his inside circle. I have supported him both physically and financially in the field of battle, even to the point of being an advertiser on his Sunday show. I have put my own reputation on the line, taking up for Alex, and trying to get people to focus on the information, and not the messenger. After all this IS a psychological WAR that is being waged on us on a daily basis. Alex Jones' operation is the biggest gun that we have in this war. That should go without dispute. Needless to say, I was FLOORED, as I was loading 100 Medina yard signs, and several 4 x 8's into my truck, when I heard AJ turn his guns on Debra Medina. When I heard AJ carry on about how it is about "morals and principles", and that he has never "betrayed anyone", and was basically without fault, I SNAPPED. When I tried to call into his show today, and make the point of the need for humility, and mercy, I was rudely cut off, and then told by the call screener that I could basically stop listening, and supporting, and a few other unsavory things. I can no longer hold my tongue about Alex Jones. I will now try to make my point in written form, as I was not allowed to do so with him directly. Is he a Vatican assassin, Zionist agent, or Jesuit operative? I think not. Is he sometimes an absolute infantile egotistical megalomaniac, that can't stand to share the spotlight with anyone? I think yes. The point is, if he is going to go on the air, and launch a raving tirade against Debra Medina, acting like he is without fault, then his feet need to be held to the same fire as well. I understand his frustration with Medina trying to appeal to a larger audience, by distancing herself from the obvious Glenn Beck attack that she unfortunately didn't see coming. I was one who advocated her going on the Beck show. I knew she would be attacked. I knew that her exposure would have exploded. My mistake was in assuming that SHE wouldn't know that SHE was going to be attacked. I think she actually believed that GB was finally going to recognize her for being a "Tea Party mom candidate", and help further her/our cause. Anyone who has known Alex over the many years, has seen him pull stunts to gain more publicity. We have tolerated that, because we knew that it was worth getting the truth out to more, and more people. Did he compromise his principles in doing that? Not in my opinion. This, as I, Alex, and others have said, IS A WAR, and sometimes extraordinary measures need to be taken to win a war. But recently, a few local Austin news articles came out about how the FCC, was harassing the people that were broadcasting The Alex Jones Show, and other truth oriented shows, out of their homes. These people have put themselves, and their homes at risk of being raided by the feds for trying to help get the message out. They have done this work for many years, for no money what so ever. Alex Jones was quoted in one of these articles (KXAN), not waffling, not playing politics, not flip flopping, but OUTRIGHT, bald-faced LYING about "not knowing that his show was being rebroadcast" , and "not knowing anything" about the micro radio stations here in Austin. This shocked me, and hurt me, as I knew it was a lie, and didn't understand why he would distance himself from the great patriots, taking the risk of their own lives and fortunes, to help get his message out. Once again, I bit my tongue, and told myself that he must have had to cover his own rear end for some reason, and swallowed hard to accept this compromise, as it once again, must have been for the greater good. I felt horribly for the ones who must have felt left out to dry, by Alex's shunning of them, through a blatant cowardly lie. He could have easily said that " I don't have any control of people wanting to broadcast my show, and other truth oriented shows. In fact, good on them for trying to wake the rest of the population up, and taking the risks they have". Instead, he took the cowards way out, played dumb, and acted like he didn't know them, or about them. So, I ask you, and him. What is the difference between Alex Jones and Debra Medina? Both, I believe are trying to make a difference in saving this republic. Both are human, and make mistakes, and are far from perfect. But when Alex Jones goes on his show, and sicks his supporters on Debra Medina's campaign, for doing something he is guilty of doing himself, then I must take him to task. I would also ask you to ALSO take him to task as well, as no one that is viewed as a "leader" in this revolution, be it Ron Paul, Debra Medina, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, etc. etc., is immune from scrutiny. This is not a cult. I would ask YOU to ask Alex, what is the difference between what he did, and what Debra Medina did? Maybe you should call into his show, and mention the article where he lied, and acted like a coward, and shunned the people who have selflessly supported him for years. My interest is not trying to start a fight here. But if Alex is going to hold Medina to certain standards, then HE needs to be held to the same standards. I will continue to go out today and finish putting up my signs, and will put in my vote for Debra Medina, as she is the best shot we have to put a stop to this insanity, peacefully. I will try and gather myself up, and try and forgive Alex for hypocritically attacking Debra Medina, but it will not be easy, taking into consideration all the work and sacrifice I have put, not only supporting him, but supporting Medina. HERE IS THE ARTICLE, where AJ is quoted lying about not knowing about his show being broadcast. He threw a great man under the bus, by acting like he didn't know him, and now he is facing a 10k fine from the FCC. Thanks to "elfis", for finding this article for me. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/Former-Sheriff-charged-as... I have no skin in this game other than the tremendous financial, and physical support I have given to both of these individuals. We lost a family friend in the 9/11 demolition, and I would love to get justice for him, as much as anyone else. If Alex can say "Well if Medina can flip flop on the 9/11 truther issue, then what else will she flip flop on"? Then I guess the question can be asked, if Alex can lie, and distance himself from great, selfless people, taking risk to spread his information, then what else will he lie about? I am just terribly upset, at the recent turn of events, and needed to vent. I have literally been sick to my stomach because of this. Hopefully, going out and finishing my campaign for Debra Medina, will help. All I know is that when I lay my head on my pillow tonight, I know that I have done everything that I could do, to the best of my ability, and did it with integrity. Thanks for reading.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Also read on Jack Blood's 2/24 DEADLINE LIVE program.
This whole article is hilarious. He is upset that his favorite political candidate / whore got raked over the coals. Poor poor Medina. He admits to tolerating Jones' bullshit because he thought it helped The Cause. But now that it is against His Cause, he is crying a river of tears. Here, have a Kleenex (TM). Surely this crybaby knows about the lies and disinformation that Jones spews, but was evidently all too eager to ignore that, even though people have exposed it long ago. And yet the idiot says, and I quote, " This, as I, Alex, and others have said, IS A WAR, and sometimes extraordinary measures need to be taken to win a war. " Since when do "extraordinary measures" include blatant lying? If you are trying to convince someone of what is happening, then you damn well better tell them the TRUTH! Not just sometimes, but all of the time! But Jones lied about his pet candidate/whore, and that is just unforgivable. So now he decides to fall on his sword. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. He is as much to blame as anyone, because he and many others PURPOSELY ignored Jones' bullshit in the past. And they didn't just ignore it, these rats called the people that exposed it traitors and government shills. Now that he got hurt personally then he decided it was too painful to ignore?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or All that aside, I'd say you've been vindicated. It's time for the resident WeAreNotChange people to pony up and apologize to you.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Bullshit. I didn't do squat. There are a lot of people that did one hell of a lot more than I did. I dont even figure in the equation. Besides, I don't want their apologies
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Yeah. Funny, though!
Who is worse: Alex Jones or the morons who take him seriously?
Just 'oy'. All I needed to know was she broke with her family to marry a Mexican.
The only real problem anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't adopt Haitians. They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible." THAT is not our problem. He is upset that his favorite political candidate / whore got raked over the coals. Poor poor Medina. He admits to tolerating Jones' bullshit because he thought it helped The Cause. But now that it is against His Cause, he is crying a river of tears. Here, have a Kleenex (TM). how many people have dredged up their grudges regarding jones over their pet candidate medina, over the past week? i tried to read this guys article but couldnt get through it. irrelevant grudge nonsense. and as you said, why do they think some politician is gonna save them anyway? this whole thing is freakin hilarious to watch though. and i truly mean that. medina does not deserve support, in my opinion. but to each their own.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I couldn't agree more. This is a fine article, very well written.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And all anybody needs to know about Alex Jones is that he married a jew and has made the pilgrimage to the 'homeland'. Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
On the bright side, I hear she's stacked.
The only real problem anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't adopt Haitians. They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible." THAT is not our problem. I wish I knew. As surely as God made little green apples, I can't understand it. I wish I knew how the same people that say that politics is a sham can then put any kind of investment in just another political whore that tells when what they know the audience wants to hear and will then promptly forget their promises when they are (s)elected.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or i don't remember. did you have the same opinion of Ron Paul? is/was he just another political whore, iyo? i'm not trying to put you on the defense. i honestly want to know.
Jones seems to be unraveling as quickly as Rev. Ike, but to say he didn't do some fine work on 9-11 is to miss many years of decent work on his part.
The question is: how much did he change? People awakened only to be demoralized — unable to see the harder truths underlying the superficial ones, are still immobilized. AJ threw up a smokescreen of detail. All of it added up to confusion. It could have happened in order to keep his revenues up. Conspiracy mongering is a full time job for him.
How could she not have anticipated that she, a strong Ron Paul supporter, was going to get attacked, just like he was? Exactly like he was attacked. She wasn't ready for prime time if she couldn't see that one coming, especially in a state with such dirty politics as Texas has.
Here he distances himself from the 9/11 crowd. Here, he states that the 9/11 commission report was incomplete. That sounds like a whores doubletalk to me. You cant have it both ways. He tailors everything to his audience at the time just like any other political whore. If you're not strong enough to stand on you own, consistently, then stay home. It's evident that people that just want to know what happened care more for Paul than Paul cares for them. Just because I agree with him on some topics doesn't mean I trust him.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Nobody can say how much he changed, but it's safe to say he changed more 9-11 opinion that this entire forum combined. Toss in all the other forums too while you're at it. That awakening is either good, or not. What say you?
We'll see where it goes. I want results.
Indeed. Look up the Trinidad incident. Alex Jones betrayed John Joseph Gray. Look up the parking lot incident. Alex Jones challenged a listener to a fight. The listener accepted. Alex Jones got his ass kicked. He then called the cops and said 4 people with knives jumped him... Another ACAC broadcaster was there and watched the whole thing and told the cops a different story. Alex Jones spit blood on him for not backing him up. The other broadcaster then Punched Him for the blood spit. Their is more on the story too... The Parking lot incident. Alex Jones once had Bill Cooper on his show. It was a great show. Now he always refers to the DECEASED Bill Cooper as a Lying Vulgar Drunk because Bill did an Expose' on Alex Jones New Years Eve broadcast. Which brings us to the New Years Eve broadcast 1999/2000. Go to youtube and look it up. Then tell me if the Russians ever invaded over Y2K like AJ was reporting. Most recently Alex Jones Came to a gun rights protest in Austin with the clear intent to disrupt the protesters. Their are loads of videos on this on youtube and even videos showing him taking credit for organizing the protest when he did not. People put their faith in Alex Jones as a leader but they fail to do the research on their leader. GCN is OWNED BY ABC! Yes their are videos on youtube about this too that give all the links and trademarks and copyrights needed to prove this. This IS A WAR but it is one we must fight for ourselves. We can not put all our faith and trust in "leaders" especially with out critically examining them just as we would critically examine anyone else. The best way to subvert a movement is to put your man on the inside as was done with the bigot Hal Turner. I am no Hal Turner fan but some Conspiracy People were. Then he said one thing over the line and got charges filed against him but LO and BEHOLD Hal Turner was an FBI snitch all along. He was one of their own men put on the inside. Is Alex Jones an inside man? I don't know. I have no proof of this. HOWEVER I have given a litany of proof already above that he is not a man that is fit to lead anything. I do not trust him. When I attended the Truth Seeker meetings and folks their told me AJ was too scared to show up I kinda grew suspicious. As time moved on and I learned more and more about AJ for myself I feel my suspicions are confirmed in so much that, He is untrustworthy. I do not support Alex Jones. And I do wonder if he like Hal Turner monitors his audience.... TO that end I will say this.... Look into the parking lot incident. For AJ HAS utilized the FBI before. Even the Austin American Statesman covered that story.
But you must be careful. There are people here that will call you a government agent "shill" for saying that. They did it to me, they'll do it to you. They are laying low for now. They have to. Defending the indefensible can give one a massive headache.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or agreed. if you search my posts at the time you will see that i was very critical of Paul on that and his failure to address obvious vote fraud which he HAS to know exists. however, my question to you is this. when he first ran, were you hopeful or trusting even a little bit?
Duhhhhhhhhhhh, in spite of my absolute ANTI-ANYTHING-FEDERAL bias, I must admit that I donated time and money to the RP Campaign. (I know ya didn't axe me.)
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
I remember that. Not even a little bit. If you look, you can find some of his clips on the Morton Downey show. Remember that program? He was not afraid to go against the grain when it came to legalizing drugs, which I happen to agree with. Here's a funny one: Now why the change? He was a fighter back then, evidently. I find it wise to be wary of people that tailor their words to the audience in front of them. Different audience = different words. Huge audience = general babble, silly promises and slogans, nothing of substance.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or hehehehehe..yeah, i remember seeing that 'tube before. Paul was great.
K, this is the archive of Jack Blood's show the other day. i'd like you to listen to it, if you haven't already, not for what he says about Alex Jones, but for what he says about Medina's campaign and what it could mean for Texas. http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Jack-Blood-32k- 022410.mp3
OK, it's playing now.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I'm writing as I listen. I agree with his take on the "truth" movement. Was Medina an "infiltrator" in the republipuke party? He laments the fact that 3r party candidates do not do well. Here is why that is so, imho. It is because they have never mastered the art of propaganda. They rely on telling the truth, when the masses are not swayed by the truth. They are swayed by propaganda that is manufactured to appeal to the lowest common denominator in the US and it is repeated over and over again, to "catapult the propaganda", like Chimp made the mistake of saying in public. Remember "They hate us for our freedoms"? That is perfect propaganda. It appeals to the masses. We saw right through it, but that's OK. We were never the target, so they didnt' care that we didnt respond to it. We see propaganda as being dishonest, and it's not. It's neutral, like any tool id neutral. It is effective, as you can see. It sounds like he is buying into the lesser of 3 evils argument. 2 BB vs 1 "freedom" candidate. He is taking Medina, it seems, at face value. WHo was the last politician you could ever take at face value? It seems that he thought he was taking the so-called high road in not responding to Jones earlier. He seems to think that he would only get muddy too. WRONG! This kind of "thinking" pisses me off to no end! When Jones or anyone else pulls crap like what Blood says happened with one of his ex-employees, and much more, then it HAS to be exposed. To keep things like this hidden, for the moronic reason of some twisted kind of "unity" is killing us. If jones threatened him, for doing something good, then jones needs to be exposed. Just be able to prove it. I know you didn't want my take on jones, but this makes me just a tad angry. It sounds like jones f'd up Austin even more than I thought. I already heard he was a vindictive little shit. This more or less confirms it. Blood describes everything I have seen for myself. God help us if jones and his minions ever take control of the patriot movement. Not all patriots subscribe to leaderless resistance. It still sounds to me like he is placing too much faith in one candidate. Correct me if I am wrong, but in TX the governor does not have all that much power. Right or wrong? He's coming at this from a position of optimism. I'm a political pessimist. So basically I cant agree with him. He stated he wants to fix this republic, and IMO it is past fixing. We need a reboot. About the infamous "despicable" comment: There is no way in hell he can say what someone else meant. He is saying that Medina was referring to another part of the neocons point, that the issue would be already resolved if it wasn't for the despicable truthers. OK. As soon as she heard that word despicable she should have stopped it right then and there. For someone that supposedly worked so hard for TX, she made some really stupid mistakes. She could have EASILY turned it right around and beat that bastard over the head with it! But no. She didn't. What a waste. She is at best not smart enough to lead. You can't make these mistakes by letting perfect opportunities like this pass on by. But, we need a different name for the truther movement. It's killing us and it has no propaganda value. The masses do not want the truth. Now he is concentrating on jones. I'll stop now.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or supposedly that's true. it's the Lieutenant Governor who wields all the power. i don't see Debra Medina as a typical or establishment politician, so, imo, even after her serious and most disappointing gaffe, she'd still be better for Texas than Perry again. the shaking things up at least would have been fun to watch. now we'll never know how far she could have gone if not for it.
#2. To: christine, Jones worshipers current and past, all (#0)
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#3. To: PSUSA (#2)
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#5. To: Deasy (#3)
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#6. To: PSUSA (#5)
#7. To: christine (#0)
If Alex can say "Well if Medina can flip flop on the 9/11 truther issue, then what else will she flip flop on"? Then I guess the question can be asked, if Alex can lie, and distance himself from great, selfless people, taking risk to spread his information, then what else will he lie about?
#8. To: christine (#0)
a raving tirade
#9. To: PSUSA, christine (#2)
This whole article is hilarious.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#10. To: christine (#0)
My interest is not trying to start a fight here. But if Alex is going to hold Medina to certain standards, then HE needs to be held to the same standards.
Lord Acton
#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#8)
All I needed to know was she broke with her family to marry a Mexican.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
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#13. To: Artisan (#9)
and as you said, why do they think some politician is gonna save them anyway?
die kill ~~ Me
#14. To: PSUSA (#13)
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#17. To: christine (#0)
My mistake was in assuming that SHE wouldn't know that SHE was going to be attacked.
#18. To: christine (#14)
did you have the same opinion of Ron Paul? is/was he just another political whore, iyo?
die kill ~~ Me
#19. To: Deasy (#16)
The question is: how much did he change? People awakened only to be demoralized — unable to see the harder truths underlying the superficial ones, are still immobilized
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#21. To: christine (#0)
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#22. To: titorite (#21)
This IS A WAR but it is one we must fight for ourselves. We can not put all our faith and trust in "leaders" especially with out critically examining them just as we would critically examine anyone else. The best way to subvert a movement is to put your man on the inside as was done with the bigot Hal Turner. I am no Hal Turner fan but some Conspiracy People were. Then he said one thing over the line and got charges filed against him but LO and BEHOLD Hal Turner was an FBI snitch all along. He was one of their own men put on the inside.
die kill ~~ Me
#23. To: PSUSA (#18)
That sounds like a whores doubletalk to me. You cant have it both ways.
#24. To: christine (#23)
however, my question to you is this. when he first ran, were you hopeful or trusting even a little bit?
#25. To: christine (#23)
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agreed. if you search my posts at the time you will see that i was very critical of Paul on that and his failure to address obvious vote fraud which he HAS to know exists.
my question to you is this. when he first ran, were you hopeful or trusting even a little bit?
die kill ~~ Me
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#28. To: christine (#27)
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#29. To: christine (#27)
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#30. To: PSUSA (#29)
It still sounds to me like he is placing too much faith in one candidate. Correct me if I am wrong, but in TX the governor does not have all that much power. Right or wrong?
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