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Title: People Seldom Talk About Chem-trails Anymore
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Published: Feb 28, 2010
Author: wudidiz
Post Date: 2010-02-28 07:54:19 by wudidiz
Keywords: What, the, fuck, ?
Views: 690
Comments: 45

Just the most bizarre thing ever.

Chem-trails that is.

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#6. To: groundresonance (#5)

This son of a bitch is the Alex Jones of the chemtrail world.

Years ago, I followed him. More out of curiosity than anything. I first heard of him from the "educate yourself" website. It was all such a fucking train wreck that I got hooked on reading about it all. His wife is even a witch. They battle aliens! They are so brave!

He was making and selling a small device called a "zapper" that had a 555 timer, a couple of pennies, some copper shavings embedded in resin, a resister and capacitor or 2 (I built one myself, but forgot the specifics. It's a simple 555 timer circuit that you can find anywhere) and selling them for $100 - $150 each.

What a racket!


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   9:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#6)
(Edited)

What a racket!

you gots to wonder how much of a kickback alex is getting for pushing this chemtrail business.

Results 1 - 10 of about 219,000 for "alex jones" chemtrails

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   9:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: groundresonance (#7)

Know what I want to see? Lets take all speculation and throw it away. Take out the profit motive.

Next time they start spraying, get a rented Lear or Citation up to altitude and gather samples. Analyze it immediately at a good university, following rules of evidence in handling the sample. Make the results public.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   9:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA (#6)

555 timer

NE555N timer (555 timer), 8 pin DIP IC. Made by Signetics / Phillips Semiconductor price: $0.29

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   9:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA (#8) (Edited)

Next time they start spraying, get a rented Lear or Citation up to altitude and gather samples. Analyze it immediately at a good university, following rules of evidence in handling the sample. Make the results public.

well, the problem is, there are explanations for everything that's attributed to "chemtrails"... it's all dewpoint, winds aloft, increased traffic

and nobody can seem to cough up evidence of the support infrastructure for "chemtrail" spraying operations, nobody seems to have collected residue that can be attributed to "chemtrail" spraying, nobody can point to increased aged and infant mortality.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   9:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: wudidiz (#0)

People Seldom Talk About Chem-trails Anymore...

...because it's winter here in north america, everybody's pretty much inside, the skies are overcast a lot of the time, and it's just not the right season to talk about chemtrails, especially when the main thrust now, during winter in the northern hemisphere, is to discredit the IPCC.

never fear... as soon as the good summer weather returns, so will the chemtrails.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   9:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: groundresonance (#10) (Edited)

and nobody can seem to cough up evidence of the support infrastructure for "chemtrail" spraying operations, nobody seems to have collected residue that can be attributed to "chemtrail" spraying, nobody can point to increased aged and infant mortality.

Agreed.

Just the infrastructure required boggles the mind. I traveled a lot and seen these whiteouts everywhere, from the deserts to the plains to the mountains. I could see them on the horizon and by the time I got there, it was a whiteout.

As a subset of that, think of all those people that feed and maintain the actual spraying gear. How does one keep all of them quiet? There's too many.

IMO the easiest and cheapest way to prove one way or the other is thru samples though.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   9:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#12) (Edited)

the easiest and cheapest way to prove one way or the other is thru samples though

yes.

and you're right about getting samples by flying through the "chemtrails" to collect the samples, because it's gonna take hours, if not days, for whatever residue to settle to the ground... and by that time, if there was anything to settle out and there are any significant winds aloft, whatever residue there is will be hundreds of miles downwind.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   10:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wudidiz, christine (#0)

People Seldom Talk About Chem-trails Anymore

Chrissy does, but she's Da Debbil.

She wants the Truth too.

Eeeeek! Pure evil.

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Esso  posted on  2010-02-28   10:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Esso, wudidiz (#14)

truth or truther has become a bad, bad thing lately.

christine  posted on  2010-02-28   10:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#15)

truth or truther has become a bad, bad thing lately.

if alex is so confident about "chemtrails", he surely could afford to hire a lear and collect some samples, couldnt he?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   10:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#15)

1. Consumer Health Articles: CHEMTRAILS IN THE SKY AND THE NEW MICROBES

"These symptoms are characteristic of the mycoplasma infections found in some blood-tested chemtrail observers. We have positively identified many of these ..."
www.consumerhealth.org/ar...lay.cfm?ID=20000830164825

2. Mycoplasma Chemtrails

"MYCOPLASMA: The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases (Nexus Magazine) Several strains of mycoplasma have been "engineered" to become more dangerous. ..."
www.bariumblues.com/mycoplasma_from_chemtrails.htm

3. Mycoplasma gulf war illness lyme chemtrails disease Fibromyalgia ...

"Mycoplasma and the cyst form of the Lyme spirochete are being found in much of the chronic illness population. Mycoplasma Fermentens Incognitus, one of the ..."
www.bariumblues.com/designer_diseases.htm

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-02-28   10:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Itistoolate (#17) (Edited)

please post evidence of increased mortality rates from mycoplasma in areas sprayed with "chemtrails".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   11:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine, Esso (#15)

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"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   13:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: groundresonance (#18)

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"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   14:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: groundresonance (#18)

That was the wrong video.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   14:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz (#21) (Edited)

what altitude is the contrail plane flying at? what is the temperature and dewpoint at that altitude?

what altitude is the "chemtrail" plane flying at? what is the temperature and dewpoint at that altitude? . . .

Predicting Contrails Using an Appleman Chart

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   15:12:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: groundresonance (#22)

what altitude is the contrail plane flying at? what is the temperature and dewpoint at that altitude?

what altitude is the "chemtrail" plane flying at? what is the temperature and dewpoint at that altitude? . . .

Doesn't matter. Contrails dissipate after a minute or so. Chemtrails stay in the sky and spread out into a haze.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   15:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: wudidiz (#23)

Results 1 - 10 of about 34,800 for "persistent contrails".

Results 1 - 10 of about 8,910 for "contrail cirrus"

questions: how much fuel does a 747 burn per hour?

how many tons of water vapor per hour does a 747 deposit in the atmosphere as it's flying?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   15:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: groundresonance (#24)

how many tons of water vapor per hour does a 747 deposit in the atmosphere as it's flying?

Not enough to leave visible contrails for more than a minute or so.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   15:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#25)

Not enough to leave visible contrails for more than a minute or so.

so you dont know what you're talking about. .

.

how many tons of ...whatever ...would it take to produce visible "chemtrails"?

why is there no evidence of "chemtrail" support infrastructure?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   15:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: groundresonance (#24)

questions: how much fuel does a 747 burn per hour?

How efficient are jet engines at burning all fuel?

I know it's a IC engine, but it illustrates a principle. They have been around for a long time.

I haven't thought about this stuff in a long time. I guess I don't take it seriously anymore.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   15:58:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: groundresonance (#26)

how many tons of ...whatever ...would it take to produce visible "chemtrails"?

I don't know.

why is there no evidence of "chemtrail" support infrastructure?

support infrastructure?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   16:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PSUSA (#27)

They have been around for a long time.

They've been spraying them since the mid to late 90s. I don't remember seeing them before that. It has increased since 9/11.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   16:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: wudidiz (#29)

That pic I posted was from the battle of the bulge. Late 1944 or early '45.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   16:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA (#30)

That pic I posted was from the battle of the bulge. Late 1944 or early '45.

At least part of it was if it was photoshopped with the chemtrails in the background.

If it wasn't photoshopped, the planes had something in the fuel to make those trails. Either that or the particulates were aerosol sprayed.

There's no other logical choices.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: PSUSA (#27) (Edited)

How efficient are jet engines at burning all fuel?

Because the combustion of fuel within the gas turbine engine 12 is not completely efficient, the high temperature exhaust gas 18 exiting the gas turbine engine 12 and passing through the exhaust stack 14 contains an amount of unburned fuel corresponding to the efficiency of the combustion process.

This amount of unburned fuel may vary within a range of about 0.01 percent to about 1 percent depending upon operating conditions.

FUEL HEATING VIA EXHAUST GAS EXTRACTION

so, while a gas turbine might be passing one percent of its fuel into the atmosphere, it is definitely creating one gallon of water for every gallon of fuel it burns.

if a 747 burns a gallon of fuel a second, it's producing a gallon of water (as water vapor) every second, or about 15 tons of water vapor per hour.

what happens when that water vapor hits the cold unsaturated air at altitude?

under certain conditions, it condenses to form contrails, which may persist long enough to form contrail cirrus clouds that spread, depending on temperature, humidity, and pressure altitude.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   16:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: wudidiz (#31)

There's no other logical choices.

You're kidding, right?


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   16:26:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: wudidiz (#31)

Large propeller aircraft will make contrails. The propeller tips will cause vapor trails just like those seen streaming off the trailing edges on the wings of high speed aircraft.

The leading edge of an airfoil compresses the air it is cutting through, and as the pressure of the bypassing air drops, the vapor condenses out.

randge  posted on  2010-02-28   16:37:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: PSUSA (#33)

Beat me to it. Excellent image.

I haven't been convinced by reading any of the chemtrail stuff I see posted. I've always been fascinated watching contrails ever since I was a kid.

I really haven't seen any change of duration or size or intensity of these trails in the sky over the years.

randge  posted on  2010-02-28   16:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: randge (#35)

I really haven't seen any change of duration or size or intensity of these trails in the sky over the years.

Same here.

I've been fascinated by military airplanes since I was a kid. If there was such a thing as reincarnation, I was a WW2 fighter pilot in the Pacific.

I can't say they aren't doing it. At least on an experimental basis. There is at least one patent on it. I know that just because it has at least 1 patent associated with it doesn't mean anything, but it shows it is possible.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-28   17:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PSUSA (#36)

if the object of this whole "chemtrail" propaganda effort is to terrorize people into absolute helplessness and confusion, and turn them against each other, i gotta admit it's been a huge success.

common sense and logic go right out the window, and people are ripping each other's throats out over "chemtrails".

terrorize, confuse, divide and conquer.

perfect

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   18:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: randge (#34)

Am I being punked?


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   22:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: randge (#34)

I'm not sure about that picture. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Nonetheless, the planes making chemtrails now are not propeller planes.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   22:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: randge (#35)

I really haven't seen any change of duration or size or intensity of these trails in the sky over the years.

I remember it different.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   22:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz (#40)

it's nice to see you supporting alex

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-28   22:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Itistoolate, wudidiz, All (#17)

1. Consumer Health Articles: CHEMTRAILS IN THE SKY AND THE NEW MICROBES

"These symptoms are characteristic of the mycoplasma infections found in some blood-tested chemtrail observers. We have positively identified many of these ..." www.consumerhealth.org/ar...lay.cfm?ID=20000830164825

2. Mycoplasma Chemtrails

"MYCOPLASMA: The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases (Nexus Magazine) Several strains of mycoplasma have been "engineered" to become more dangerous. ..." www.bariumblues.com/mycoplasma_from_chemtrails.htm

3. Mycoplasma gulf war illness lyme chemtrails disease Fibromyalgia ...

"Mycoplasma and the cyst form of the Lyme spirochete are being found in much of the chronic illness population. Mycoplasma Fermentens Incognitus, one of the ..." www.bariumblues.com/designer_diseases.htm

All very worthwhile reading. I've traced that train of thought down to the fact that the virus being distributed in those chemtrails is actually what has been killing the bees, and leads to Mad Cow disesase.

Here's a link to that thread...

Bees dropping like flies


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FormerLurker  posted on  2010-02-28   23:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#42)

I remember that conversation, thank you.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   23:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: groundresonance (#41)

it's nice to see you supporting alex

You think 9/11 was an inside job, does that mean you support Alex?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2010-02-28   23:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: wudidiz (#38)

Am I being punked?

Now you are ;-)

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