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Title: Tons of Water Ice Found on the Moon's North Pole
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100 ... tericefoundonthemoonsnorthpole
Published: Mar 1, 2010
Author: Tariq Malik
Post Date: 2010-03-01 23:11:07 by gengis gandhi
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Tons of Water Ice Found on the Moon's North Pole Tariq Malik SPACE.com Managing Editor SPACE.com – Mon Mar 1, 7:00 pm ET This story was updated at 6:39 p.m. ET. Vast pockets of water ice numbering in the millions of tons have been discovered at the north pole of the moon, opening up another region of the lunar surface for potential exploration by astronauts and unmanned probes, NASA announced Monday. A NASA radar instrument on an Indian moon probe found evidence of at least 600 million metric tons of water ice spread out on the bottom of craters at the lunar north pole. It is yet another supply of lunar water ice, a vital resource that could be mined to produce oxygen or rocket fuel to support a future moon base, NASA officials said. More than 40 craters ranging from 1 mile (2 km) to 9 miles (15 km) wide were found harboring the water ice, which was detected using NASA's Mini-SAR radar instrument on India's Chandrayaan-1 lunar orbiter. The instrument is also known as Mini-RF in NASA parlance. "After analyzing the data, our science team determined a strong indication of water ice, a finding which will give future missions a new target to further explore and exploit," said Jason Crusan, program executive for the Mini-RF Program for NASA's space operations program in Washington, D.C., in a statement. Water, water everywhere The ice was discovered in permanently shadowed craters at the moon's north pole. Similar conditions of perpetual night exist at the moon's south pole as well, where water ice was also confirmed to be present last year. Because these regions never see sunlight, water can stay in its frozen form indefinitely. Last September, NASA and other scientists confirmed without a doubt the existence of water ice at the moon's south pole, as well as signals of water molecules across large areas of the lunar surface. Several spacecraft, including India's Chandrayaan-1 probe that carried the radar instrument used for the new findings, found hard evidence of water on the moon. In October, NASA crashed two impactor probes into the lunar south pole in an attempt to kick up clouds of water ice and measure it from an orbiting spacecraft and other space and ground-based observatories. The subsequent analysis turned up significant amounts of water and water vapor in the debris cloud, NASA scientists said. "The emerging picture from the multiple measurements and resulting data of the instruments on lunar missions indicates that water creation, migration, deposition and retention are occurring on the moon," said Paul Spudis, principal investigator of the Mini-SAR experiment at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, in a statement. "The new discoveries show the moon is an even more interesting and attractive scientific, exploration and operational destination than people had previously thought." The research will be detailed in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. Will astronauts go? Water ice is a tantalizing find anywhere on the moon because it can serve as a natural resource for astronauts on future lunar landing missions. The ice could be melted into drinking water or be separated into its component oxygen and hydrogen to provide breathing air and rocket fuel, NASA officials have said in the past. NASA had planned to send astronauts on new lunar landing missions by 2020 as part of its Constellation program. The program was building the new Altair moon landers, as well as the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets needed to launch ferry them to lunar surface, but experts said it was extremely underfunded and behind schedule. Last month, President Barack Obama ordered NASA to cancel the Constellation program and focus on using commercial spacecraft to launch American astronauts to orbit instead. The move is aimed at freeing up NASA to concentrate on more lofty exploration missions, such as returning to the moon or sending astronauts to visit an asteroid, stable regions in space called Lagrange points or the moons of Mars. NASA chief Charles Bolden told members of the U.S. Senate and Congress last week that Mars is expected to be the ultimate destination for astronauts. But the moon, he said, is still a good interim target to serve as a stepping stone for more distant space exploration goals. Chandrayaan-1's Mini-SAR radar was one of two instruments involving NASA on India's Chandrayan-1 spacecraft. The probe also carried the Moon Mineralogy Mapper for NASA. A version of Mini-SAR, called Mini-RF, is riding on NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. India launched Chandrayaan-1 probe in October 2008 and carried 11 instruments to observe the moon from lunar orbit. It was India's first moon probe and carried an impactor probe that it unleashed in November 2008. The spacecraft went offline in late August 2009 after an abrupt malfunction cut off communications with Earth. India is planning a successor to Chandrayaan-1, dubbed Chandrayaan-2. The name Chandrayaan means "moon craft" in Sanskrit. The new Chandrayaan-2 mission is slated to launch in 2013, according to Indian news reports.
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i was thinking today about how well programmed people have been to think the idea of life outside of earth is somehow fantastic, a notion that was heavily promoted in the post war era of increase in sightings of ufos. and that if there was life, it would not eventually attain the ability to travel and explore......the very same thing we do here... and that once that was doable, the idea of planet farming, etc, would be logical, the same as nasa is discussing regarding mars, etc. and if you had a planet already populated with primates, who would work cheaply and are easily misled, why you wouldn't exploit a free workforce, especially if you had an imperial mindset, and claimed the planet and all on it as your own... which is the same imperialists here have always done. yes, we do all that stuff, but to think that it could happen elsewhere, in a tremendously huge universe we have never explored, is somehow fantastic. sounds to me like easily fooled primates who believe whatever their controllers told them.
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
That's impossible. I don't think ice can exist long if there is no atmosphere, any ice would evaporate (sublimate) away. Unless............
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
many reports that the moon does have an atmosphere, along with other things that won't fit into the box. the moon itself is likely artificial....perfectly round, doesn't spin, circular orbit, rings as if hollow when struck by meteors, etc.
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
That's impossible. I don't think ice can exist long if there is no atmosphere, any ice would evaporate (sublimate) away. Unless............ Unless is right. From what I have read it appears that the moon may have a very thin atmosphere down close to the surface. Not much of an atmosphere but something. I, of course, can't verify that but it is an interesting thought to ponder.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
the moon itself is likely artificial....perfectly round, doesn't spin, circular orbit, rings as if hollow when struck by meteors, etc. Ditto the moons of Mars which based calculations of orbit and velocity appear as well to be hollow. If you wanted to move a lot of colonists to a remote out of the way planet that would be one means of doing it - hollow out a small moon or large asteroid, fit it with engines and wa-la a giant starship on the cheap. Put the bodies in suspended animation and who cares if it takes a couple of centuries to get there?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
and that if there was life, it would not eventually attain the ability to travel and explore......the very same thing we do here... and that once that was doable, the idea of planet farming, etc, would be logical, the same as nasa is discussing regarding mars, etc. and if you had a planet already populated with primates, who would work cheaply and are easily misled, why you wouldn't exploit a free workforce, especially if you had an imperial mindset, and claimed the planet and all on it as your own... which is the same imperialists here have always done. yes, we do all that stuff, but to think that it could happen elsewhere, in a tremendously huge universe we have never explored, is somehow fantastic. sounds to me like easily fooled primates who believe whatever their controllers told them. Scientist J.B.S. Haldane is quoted as saying: "The universe is not only queerer than we think it is queerer than we can think." Of course the more we learn the more we can conceive of. That is why there is so much "knowledge control" in our current culture. The people at the top do not want the Proles to wake up and realize that they've been had.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
NASA is a joke. They get the shuttle canned and then all of a sudden, we found water on the moon "discovery" is made. Yeah sure, and I bet they found cheese there too.
God is always good!
I was listening to David Icke the other day about how this is an illusion created by our minds due to our finite perception. Or something like that. The interesting part was how he was saying that the knowledge of how it is an illusion can be used to control those who don't realize it is and those of us who do know it can't be controlled so easily. But who knows for sure really, maybe it isn't such an illusion. There's little way to tell for certain at this point. One thing for sure is there is a lot more to this world than meets the eye. Good to see you here, gg!
lol! Are you drunk man? The moon spins once every 30 days or so.
God is always good!
NASA is a joke. They get the shuttle canned and then all of a sudden, we found water on the moon "discovery" is made. Yeah sure, and I bet they found cheese there too. NASA is a PR front. They still do some science but mostly they exist to keep people diverted from looking for the real space program which is likely operated out of the black budget. There was one small slip that revealed its existence and the guy, named McKinnon, who hacked the Pentagram's computer system appears to have found personnel transfer lists between ships in the "extraterrestrial fleet". Since the society has become dumbed down and blase' about space travel they can now scale back the PR operation as very few people are paying attention or interested. They are mind dead and have no sense of the adventure of it or doing something just for the knowledge gained. So, they don't have to do anything that might alert people to the reality that there are ruins on Mars and the Moon (at least those 2). That way they don't get to thinking outside the maze constucted to keep them looking inward and downward.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ROTFL
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
You can laugh all you want buckee but the black budget world is, based on the observation of people who follow them, generally a minimum of 20 to 30 years ahead of what the public is allowed to know. The Mach 3+ SR-71 Spy Plane was on line and operational IN 1958. Despite photographs, and even a model kit, the government would not even admit it existed until 1972. There are lots of rumors, sightings of advanced craft, etc., .... The fact is that the Mr. McKinnon, who lives in England, is desperately wanted by the Pentagram and that they have pursued his extradition for over 5 years is another interesting datum. No buckee you laugh and scoff all you want. The laughter of a Jackass proves nothing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
OI, you are WAYYY too much. Of course, you don't believe any of your own posts do you?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
BWAHAHAHAHAHA, don't tell Jimmy.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Hellarious !!!
Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, no political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American People into one common mass of slaves. Yet, this is exactly what has happened under Social Security, by creating a revenue base for the collection of interest on a fictitious national debt owed to the Federal Reserve banks, in other words, slavery to the national debt under the so-called 14th Amendment.
thanks wud. perhaps the motive for controlling consciousness is because consciousness literally creates reality on some quantum level. its said time is relative but i suspect reality is as well.
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
it would actually be foolish to think that the govt has only jet propulsion craft, rather than more exotic types, and that they would not conceal such things. the hindu vedas, i believe, include references to vimanas and even give instructions on how to build one. why would the assumption be that the only form of propulsion, the end of the line, would be thrust based? everyone is a free thinker, and they can prove it by repeating control based, factory installed belief systems. that which does not fit into belief systems is ignored and screened by various mental processes, and may actually not even be noticed by the brain, since it simply 'cannot be'. there is some really interesting youtube info from a guy, can't remember his name, who uses night vision gear to observe lots of very strange craft after dark in the skies. has actually filmed them, anyone can see these things with the right gear. i have seen them with the naked eye at night while star gazing. their behavior and trajectory is quite different from the sattelites which one can see. these things stop and start, move very far very fast, etc.
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
I am not sure exactly what it says but it is probably funny. I believe I would have picked a color that showed up better against that background.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Agreed
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
And some good wine to go with it! LOL! And a deli with delicious cold cuts and fresh baked bread.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. its said time is relative but i suspect reality is as well. Reality is our agreement based upon our mutual perceptions as influenced by our knowledge. When that knowledge changes reality changes. What the controllers are trying to do is enforce a reality upon the larger consciousness. That is one of their control mechanisms. By controlling the reality they control, to a large degree, how people will react. And yes I believe that our mutual awareness and strength creates its own reality. That is what the controllers do not want. They want each day like the last - an endless controlled sameness - with them still in control. Freedom of thought and changes in knowledge change our perceptions, awareness, and yes reality. Since reality is an agreement when you change the agreement you change the reality. UFOs, Space Travel, archaeologic finds that show much greater age for humanity than the current academic "reality" are all world view shifting types of data. Poison for a mind controlled society.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
COME IN LOL! That'll take 'em a while. >(;^{)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Bucky Expressing His Barely considered Thought--there, fixed it for you. No charge.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bucky Proudly Showing Off His Ride And the horn doesn't work, either.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
The moon is tidally locked with the earth, which is why the same side always faces the earth. That's no coincidence, but rather an aspect of gravitational physics between the earth and moon. Planetary atmospheres require a magnetic field to be present to block the solar wind from stripping it away, which the moon doesn't have much of, if any. But it likely has some faint traces of an atmosphere remaining though.
Edit: Dagnabit! Did it again! Took so long to compose my post that Pinguinite said it first and much more succinctly too... 8=> doesn't spin lol! Are you drunk man? The moon spins once every 30 days or so. I will amplify gg's post in an attempt to clarify: There is orbital motion and there is spin motion. Most planetary bodies exhibit both types of motion, including the earth. Both types of motion can affect the absolute orientation of a mass relative to its axis of rotation, with respect to a galactic or solar system coordinate grid. The moon is fixed in its orientation to the earth so the "spin" you refer to is an artifact of its orbital motion relative to the earth, its rate of rotation locked to its orbital motion by the earth's gravitational field. Contrary to intuition about spin but congruent with orbital mechanics, if the moon were to stay fixed in its orientation relative to the solar system grid thus rotating its orientation (having spin) relative to the earth, that would require an input of energy to break the grip of the earth's gravitational field. The fact that the moon's orientation is locked by the earth's gravitational field, showing only its face to the earth means that it is at a lower energy state than it would be if it were orbiting and remaining in a fixed orientation relative to the solar system grid and rotating from the earth's perspective. Hope that clarifies! 8=>
No clarification is needed. He said the moon doesn't spin. How are you going to clarify that?
God is always good!
Simply speaking the moon does not spin on its axis relative to the earth. Which is a true statement. It always shows the same side which is why there is a "Dark Side of The Moon". For which Pink Floyd is thankful.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Makes sense. Why would it?
I should have realized that your original post flinging personal aspersions at gg was evidence that you were already out of your comfort zone, perhaps due to the potentially lid-popping topic of the thread. I apologize for exceeding your reading comprehension; 'twas not intentional. I will not address you again, you may rest, assured.
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
LOL!!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
spin is a synonym for rotate. orbit means to travel around a point. but, its only english, so why should he grasp that? i guess that should clarify it for ricky, but as with all religious types from muslim to moonie, who needs facts if they don't jibe with dogmatic, religious 'milk', and other watered down, vulgar bumper sticker philosophy for the profane. ricky, being a belief system indoctrinated christologist dogma type, has difficulty understanding nearly anything that hasn't been cleared by god pimps and the mass media he's a philosophical luddite
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
BTW for all you astrophysics trivia buffs: The Chile quake is said to have shortened the axis of the Earth by an mite and shortened the rotation of the planet be 1.6 millionths of a second. Short day tomorrow. Wheee!
Yeah I was reading that earlier. The headline sucked me in.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
More than 40 craters ranging from 1 mile (2 km) to 9 miles (15 km) wide were found harboring the water ice,
#3. To: Flintlock (#2)
#4. To: Flintlock (#2)
More than 40 craters ranging from 1 mile (2 km) to 9 miles (15 km) wide were found harboring the water ice,
#5. To: gengis gandhi (#3)
many reports that the moon does have an atmosphere, along with other things that won't fit into the box.
#6. To: gengis gandhi (#1)
i was thinking today about how well programmed people have been to think the idea of life outside of earth is somehow fantastic, a notion that was heavily promoted in the post war era of increase in sightings of ufos.
#7. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
Will astronauts go?
#8. To: Original_Intent, gengis gandhi (#6)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#9. To: gengis gandhi (#3)
doesn't spin
#10. To: RickyJ, gengis gandhi, wudidiz (#7)
Will astronauts go?
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
"extraterrestrial fleet".
#12. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, Former Lurker, all (#11)
#13. To: Original_Intent (#12)
#14. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#13)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#15. To: wudidiz, James Deffenbach (#14)
#16. To: wudidiz (#14)
#17. To: wudidiz (#8)
#18. To: Original_Intent (#12)
#19. To: wudidiz (#14)
Lord Acton
#20. To: Original_Intent (#12)
You can laugh all you want buckee but the black budget world is, based on the observation of people who follow them, generally a minimum of 20 to 30 years ahead of what the public is allowed to know.
#21. To: RickyJ (#7)
Yeah sure, and I bet they found cheese there too.
Lord Acton
#22. To: gengis gandhi, wudidiz (#17)
perhaps the motive for controlling consciousness is because consciousness literally creates reality on some quantum level.
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
LADIES
BUCK IS
GETTING
HIS ANAL
PROBE
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#24. To: wudidiz (#23)
Lord Acton
#25. To: wudidiz, James Deffenbach, noone222, buggeroo, buckeroo, all (#23)
COME IN LADIES BUCK IS GETTING HIS ANAL PROBE
Bucky Expressing His Well considered Thoughts
#26. To: All (#25)
Bucky Proudly Showing Off His Ride
#27. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Bucky Expressing His Well considered Thoughts
Lord Acton
#28. To: Original_Intent (#26)
Lord Acton
#29. To: Original_Intent (#26)
#30. To: gengis gandhi (#3)
the moon itself is likely artificial....perfectly round, doesn't spin, circular orbit.
#31. To: RickyJ, gengis gandhi (#9)
(Edited)
To: gengis gandhi
Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when that card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ashes of the totalitarian game!
#32. To: HighLairEon (#31)
#33. To: RickyJ, HighLairEon, gengis gandhi (#32)
#34. To: Original_Intent, RickyJ, HighLairEon, gengis gandhi (#33)
Simply speaking the moon does not spin on its axis relative to the earth.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#35. To: RickyJ (#32)
(Edited)
No clarification is needed. He said the moon doesn't spin. How are you going to clarify that?
Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when that card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!
#36. To: HighLairEon (#35)
#37. To: gengis gandhi (#36)
#38. To: HighLairEon (#35)
#39. To: gengis gandhi (#38)
#40. To: randge (#39)
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