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Title: A Huge Texas Thank You: Medina Concedes. What Next?
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Official Debra Medina Campaign Site
URL Source: http://www.medinafortexas.com/getPost?p=302
Published: Mar 3, 2010
Author: Debra Medina
Post Date: 2010-03-04 17:56:32 by Deasy
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Keywords: paul, alamo, mises, paleoconservative
Views: 487
Comments: 38
A huge Texas thank you to all who worked so hard to get the freedom candidate elected as governor of this great state! I cannot tell you how humbled I am to have been able to carry your banner forth. Even though we didn't win this battle, we will not give up fighting for the people and we will remain ever vigilant to hold our elected officials accountable. What We Texans have accomplished has not only caught the attention of the nation and the world but it has inspired as only truth can inspire. We have not lost hope. We have energized and will strengthen our resolve to fight another day. While I must concede the loss of this battle, I will not make concessions that reduce this fight to the level of mere sport. Our freedom is being stripped away and I will continue to press our cause. Our message was nothing less than what the original Founders were fighting for...our Life, our Liberty and our property. To whomever wins the Texas governorship in November, the eyes of Texas will be upon you. God Bless Texas, Poster Comment: It's time to reassess the entire liberty movement. Post your thoughts. Are we going to do this again and again? For what? How many donated money that should have been spent on their own futures? What value did this campaign add to the future of politics in Texas? In the entire United States? More remarks to follow. Please add yours.
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#1. To: Deasy (#0)
There's no inarguably correct answer. We can look at the end result and say it was a complete waste. On the other hand, maybe her campaign enlightened more people, waking them up from a life of mundane sheeplism. Is there anyone here who hasn't been counted among the sheep at some point? I have. I think this is a question that each person has to answer for himself. For me, I've paid a lot over the years for the cause, both in time and effort, and a little money, but far more than that in missed opportunity, as in missing out on decent paying jobs that could have made life much more comfortable. I'm now putting my own priorities first, justifying it, for good or ill, with the idea that freedom is NOT just "another word for nothing left to lose". I've also convinced myself that (right or wrong) the USA as a whole is beyond saving. Still, as I mentioned above, there's always potential value in waking others up. Not because it'll save the country but because it'll save those who are awoken. And the more the better.
I put my money up front with my mouth and when Beck and others ambushed her, I asked for my money back, and wonders of a political world I received it. Since then I have been in contact via emails from her staff, prefer direct.
My suggestion here, in all these remarks is simple: I think we need a new, nation-wide political party. It's time to make history! I don't think "politics as usual" is going to do it for us anymore. We need to stop wasting time trying to recoup the lost cause of being more like Barry Goldwater than Ronald Reagan. Attempting to retain our position on the artificial left-right political spectrum has been a restraint on our movement. My brief remarks cover these topics: How did you react to this statement? Did it remind you of the "global warming swindle?" Did you think that Medina's intent to push the EPA out of Texas would make a positive difference? This simply fractured away people with legitimate concerns about the environmental excesses of agribusiness and industry. Zero government is no solution to pollution and overconsumption of natural resources. The schism between environmentalism and patriotism is artificial, even if the EPA is staffed by globalist socialists. Those are two separate issues. Global weather and our impact on it is also a different problem. Opponents of globalism shouldn't stop at opposing cap and trade and self-imposed restraints on pollution. We should be using alternative fuels. A free market might push us in that direction, but so might sound policy. Medina's policy was no policy, by the sound of this audio snippet. The Fed issue should be clearly identified as a symptom in this movement, not the cause of our problems. The Fed is an enabler for behavior that was already sought by America's elite before the first world war. The wars continue. We have to change people before we'll stop the wars. Really what's at stake here is that we don't control our government. The zero government Republicans like Paul and Medina ignore the elephant in the room, which is who does control it. We could have it back if we put America first politically. We have to do that anyway. They talk about the banks, but not who runs the banks. They know they can't talk about it, so they don't. If we privatized everything today, the same forces would take over those privatized assets if we don't inspire the American people to see things our way first. That's our challenge. So far Ron Paul and Debra Medina haven't succeeded. I would welcome them into our new movement if they could abandon the GOP altogether and champion a new party. The new party should have seven major planks: All this money going into GOP candidates, only for them to concede is wasting our time. Let's do something else for a change.
I'm convinced that this is the best thing to do for the entire group. At this point it's important to preserve good ideas while succeeding and thriving. The future will judge us on what we leave our communities as a legacy, while having held such strong views.
No.
I admire and appreciate Medina's efforts, and she would have made a better governor than the other front runners. I just think that she should have stayed in the race in a third party, or should have started off in a third party so she could run to the end.
I just might be more cynical than you about this.
Anytime any politician, "prefers" to work within the party system, they are of no value to Americans, Ron Paul for example. IN my emails to her, I am sounding out if she is a party loyalist like Paul. If so, no support.
You are not olde enough, the only ingredient lacking.
1.Ending NAFTA/CAFTA and all "free trade" agreements. 8. Abolish set asides based on skin color. Affirmative action programs would be defunded and closed immediately . State sanctioned racism is racism by any other name.
Hear hear.
Good post Neil. If people are honest I believe they have to admit that they didn't arrive where they are on their journey now--that is knowing about true liberty--as a child. Everyone has to learn and there is much to learn. Unfortunately some people won't spend the time and effort in that quest. Personally I found it very enlightening and worthwhile but, like you, I passed up opportunities where I could have done better for myself financially. I don't regret it because I did what I thought was right. But looking back I wonder sometimes if I made any difference.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. In olde age, you will look back, weigh and measure, every event of your life. In particular, such events in which you knew to be wrong at the time. Then it will weigh on your mind.
It does now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Repent ye sinner, before it is too late.
Oh, I did that a long time ago. I am not worried about the next life or afraid to leave this one. What I said before was just musings of a man getting older and wondering about things.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I checked the list, your name NOT there.
Oh, I am pretty sure it is there. I know whom I have believed,...
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This.
_________________________________________________________________________ well said. but this is what we're up against--this is an email i got from an acquaintance with whom i discussed Medina and tried to get onboard before the 9/11 issue. Alright, Christine, is it OK if I tell you 'I told you so!' now? Medina being in the race made Perry's win a slam dunk, when before it was only a likely probability (because of a poorly run campaign by Kay Bailey). Medina took critically needed votes from Kay Bailey, but probably didn't take a single vote from Perry. I would not be shocked to learn that Perry helped fund Medina's campaign, although I have heard no rumors to that effect. It is a strategy he is certainly capable of employing though. Divide and conquer is an often used strategy in politics. Keep up the good fight! See you around. Jim
No, I don't think so. We already have the Libertarian Party, which stumbles along. Now there's this "tea party" which already appears, from some evidence posted on 4um, to be undermined even in its infancy, though it's not really a legal political party at this point. Even the 40 year old Libertarian party has been accused of abandoning its founding principles in the last decade. The problem is, in order for a political party to become effective, it has to first absorb status quo politics. The bigger and more effective it gets, the more corrupt it becomes simply because it will attract ambitious people who want to change the world rather than simply preserve basic freedoms. Even the 40 year old Libertarian party has been accused of abandoning its founding principles in the last decade. USA politics, perhaps in part due to the "vote for only one" voting system, is guaranteed to gravitate to a 2 party system. So a 3rd party won't break into the scene unless and until one of the current parties implodes. And when that happens, the new 3rd party bride will be married to the surviving widow party and we'll be right back where we are now. I do support the Libertarian party, but sorry to say, I don't think it's a solution that will make a difference nationally. The system is broken & beyond repair. The election system, the courts, the money system, the congress, all the bureaucracy that's in place.... how can that possibly all be dismantled? If there was to be any hope, it's in the American people, as a whole, being taught a lesson about what freedom REALLY is, and that will take something along the line of an invasion or complete economic collapse (and the last depression only had the reverse effect). The country is just too damn big to do that, IMO, which is why I think a breakup into smaller countries is one of the requirements for freedom to return.
Another insightful post, thanks. I do think there are flaws in the Tea Party and Libertarian platforms. People instinctively know that. The right platform could draw people out. It probably wouldn't, but it might.
Well, strategically, Jim is absolutely correct. But it's not Medina's fault any more than it's Bailey's. And it's not Jim's fault either, really. The problem is the very voting system itself, and I'm not even talking about Diebold. There are 3 candidates but the stone-age voting system we use only allows voters to express an opinion about 1 of them. This is the source of the "wasted vote syndrome" which inspires people to vote for one of the only 2 candidates the media declares viable, and it's why strategies such as described by Jim can be used. I'm a fan of approval voting, where voters vote for as many of the candidates as they like, aka indicating which candidates they "approve" of. Whoever has the highest approval vote count wins. It's simpler and less complicated than Instant run-off voting (IRV), and in extreme situations avoids weird end results based on early counts. AV is not a perfect voting system either (it's been proven there is no perfect voting system) but the vote-for-one system in place now is the worst one in existence. Did I mention the voting system is just one more thing that's broken? And of course there's Diebold doing who-knows-what to the results.
given that the mass media is dedicated to spreading disinformation, what's the point of any voting system at all? elections are pointless until we get people who are capable of making rational judgments... and rational judgments are impossible when you're ignorant.
The right party will draw people out IF and only if, it's got both a good message and a good sales job attached to it. The LP suffers from poor sales, mainly because it attracts predominently logically thinking people, and the average person is only receptive to emotionally based sales techniques (sex, power, humor, etc). LPers aren't really into selling things that way. But if a new party wakes more people up, I'm all for it. Not because it gets them into a new party, but because it wakes people up.
This is an argument for a return to a monarchy or aristocracy. I've considered the merits of that myself, which arguably makes the likes of me unfit for the job.
yes (smile) it's been my main pet peeve for 11 yrs now.
elections are pointless until we get people who are capable of making rational judgments... and rational judgments are impossible when you're ignorant. This is an argument for a return to a monarchy or aristocracy. more likely an argument for telling people the truth, so they'll be able to make rational judgments.
I'm available. Who better to make King than a Libertarian Constitutionalist? Trust me.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
As Kinky Friedman observed, "Even God couldn't win as an Independent in Texas."
---adam, pooh bear, jesus christ, jimmie durante, elizabeth I, s. freud, joseph goebbels, hannibal, pope innocent III, jezebel, martin luther king, v. i. lenin, mother, richard nixon, octavia, pyrrus, don quixote, the rolling stones, the snake in the garden, mao, united airlines, the virgin mary, george washington, xenophon, brigham young, emile zola, and original intent list, with the exception of "original intent", compiled by donald kingsbury in the sci-fi novel, "the moon goddess and the son"
That's pretty rarified company, particularly Jimmy Durante. Thank you. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
rarified, all right
whatever... it remains a fact that "democracy", as practiced in the US, is the best system yet devised to enable the predators to blame their victims.
Now that's A nose. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
they dint call him "the shnozz" for nothing.
Yet he had such a gentle soul that he just radiated warmth. And of course a "World Class" shnozz.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
She could've done a LOT better. First answer sounded too much like a politician. Why can't any of these people give a straight answer? Probably because almost ANY straight answer is going to turn off SOME majority of voters. Ergo, we don't need a nation-wide party. Each nation in the U.S. needs a party. Anyway, given the implicit "how could anybody NOT like federal programs?" in the question, she SHOULD have answered with EXACTLY two words and NO MORE: "Social Security." She flaked herself out on the answer to the second question with "learn to care for each other." That's the kind of answer that everybody expects from MISS AMERICA, the kind of answer that everybody nods and "awws" about, and everybody agrees Miss America SHOULD say. But NOBODY actually BELIEVES it! And they CERTAINLY don't expect it from an aspiring Imperial Governor. And that's as much as I'm willing to review at the moment. The new party should have seven major planks: White nationalism is not a political program.
Q: Why don't blacks major in math?Are we going to do this again and again? For what? How many donated money that should have been spent on their own futures?
#2. To: Deasy (#0)
How many donated money that should have been spent on their own futures? What value did this campaign add to the future of politics in Texas? In the entire United States?
#3. To: All, Pinguinite, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, X-15, christine (#0)
(Edited)
Sound byte on environmentalism: One Minute 40 Seconds
Environmentalism and the Liberty Movement
A rough paraphrase of the sound byte: "get the EPA out of Texas, out of energy, and out of our culture in Texas." But aren't conserving natural resources and protecting the air, water, and mineral wealth part of patriotism? Of course they are. Only the fat cats running the GOP would like us to think otherwise. Medina just played right into their hands with this position. The Federal Reserve Problem
The Curious Capitalist (Time Blogger) posts these criticisms of Ron Paul's attacks on the federal reserve: Visiting Ron Paul's Fed-Free Utopia. It's worth reading all the way through. The message is clear: without the Fed, we would still find someway to spend money we don't have anyway. 9/11 "Truth" and Liberty
Medina was sidetracked by this problem, but why? She should have stuck to her original answer on Glenn Becks' show: people have a right to question their government. But her poll losses after the interview raises another question: what should the liberty movement do with 9/11 truth? It's been almost 10 years now since 9/11. No wars have been stopped by our votes. No 9/11 truth candidates have succeeded in changing the country. Obama is not resisting the call for more war. We need a new message: 9/11 shouldn't have made us react the way we did. That's simple, logical, and honest. Anyone can say more, or less. We need to get at the root of the problem that surfaced on 9/11: fear, and how it motivates Americans. Alex Jones and Liberty
Alex Jones has discarded whatever value he had brought to the movement. His biggest motivator is fear. Fear of the murderous government. Fear of technology. Fear of an unseen idol worshiping, human sacrificing elite. Fear is not an easy way to pursue political change. Jones's religions overtones are unwelcome to a large number of people, and so he tends to exclude freedom-loving Americans who would otherwise be interested in helping the cause. The Republican party
The Republican party is a dead vehicle for liberty. Until we can create our own party, we'll never go anywhere. The GOP will always be controlled by the fat cats. The sooner we agree on the agendas for a third party, the sooner we can move forward. Forcing a Trotskyite party back to some kind of retrospective, traditional paleoconservatism is not the vehicle for true change. Conclusion
You'll have a different list, and feel free to post it. The important thing is to concentrate on what matters most.
#4. To: Pinguinite (#1)
I'm now putting my own priorities first, justifying it, for good or ill, with the idea that freedom is NOT just "another word for nothing left to lose". I've also convinced myself that (right or wrong) the USA as a whole is beyond saving.
#5. To: Deasy (#4)
I'm convinced that this is the best thing to do for the entire group
#6. To: Cynicom (#2)
Since then I have been in contact via emails from her staff, prefer direct.
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
No.
#8. To: Deasy (#6)
I'm convinced that this is the best thing to do for the entire groupI'm convinced that this is the best thing to do for the entire group
#9. To: Deasy (#7)
I just might be more cynical than you about this.
#10. To: Deasy (#3)
The new party should have seven major planks:
2.Ending open immigration and deporting illegal aliens humanely.
3.Abolishing all foreign debt and sacking anyone who helped incur it.
4.Pulling back from most of our foreign military operations and bases.
5.Nationalizing the Fed and mandating balanced budgets.
6.Legislating away old legislation and overriding bad court cases.
7.A party policy: no more "liberal" versus "conservative" language. All are welcome if they put America first.
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#12. To: Pinguinite (#1)
Lord Acton
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
But looking back I wonder sometimes if I made any difference.
#14. To: Cynicom (#13)
Lord Acton
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
It does now.
#16. To: Cynicom (#15)
Lord Acton
#17. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
Oh, I did that a long time ago
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
Lord Acton
#19. To: Deasy (#3)
The Republican party The Republican party is a dead vehicle for liberty. Until we can create our own party, we'll never go anywhere. The GOP will always be controlled by the fat cats. The sooner we agree on the agendas for a third party, the sooner we can move forward. Forcing a Trotskyite party back to some kind of retrospective, traditional paleoconservatism is not the vehicle for true change.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#20. To: Pinguinite (#1)
(Edited)
Still, as I mentioned above, there's always potential value in waking others up. Not because it'll save the country but because it'll save those who are awoken. And the more the better.
#21. To: Deasy, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, X-15, christine (#3)
I think we need a new, nation-wide political party. It's time to make history!
#22. To: Pinguinite (#21)
#23. To: christine (#20)
Medina took critically needed votes from Kay Bailey, but probably didn't take a single vote from Perry. I would not be shocked to learn that Perry helped fund Medina's campaign, although I have heard no rumors to that effect. It is a strategy he is certainly capable of employing though. Divide and conquer is an often used strategy in politics.
#24. To: Pinguinite (#23)
the voting system is just one more thing that's broken
#25. To: Deasy (#22)
The right platform could draw people out. It probably wouldn't, but it might.
#26. To: groundresonance (#24)
elections are pointless until we get people who are capable of making rational judgments... and rational judgments are impossible when you're ignorant.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#23)
Did I mention the voting system is just one more thing that's broken?
#28. To: Pinguinite (#26)
(Edited)
given that the mass media is dedicated to spreading disinformation, what's the point of any voting system at all?
#29. To: Pinguinite, groundresonance (#26)
#30. To: Deasy. all (#6)
#31. To: Original_Intent (#29)
(Edited)
Trust me.
#32. To: groundresonance (#31)
"A rink, a rinky dink, a rinky doo, ..."
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
#34. To: Pinguinite (#26)
#35. To: groundresonance (#33)
#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)
#37. To: groundresonance (#36)
#38. To: Deasy (#3)
A: Amba-lamba calculus be racis'.
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