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Title: TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
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Published: Mar 5, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-03-05 12:00:55 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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#8. To: Gatlin (#6) One article described Bedell as an "obsessed libertarian" ... but neglected to say what was meant by "obsessed." Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals and Bush-haters. Not dissimilar to the IRS plane-bomber. They then tried to use Ron Paul's campaign as their own political vehicle even though they had little success in recruiting the RP folk to their cause. This is when some of them started calling themselves libertarians. They have persisted in this long after Ron Paul repudiated Trutherism across the board. You can see why I keep saying that the Tea Parties need to repel boarders (Birchers, Birthers, Truthers, etc.) who demand that they be allowed to use Tea Party events to promote their own agenda. Too Conservative posted on 2010-03-05 11:48:37 ET Reply Trace
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#16. To: Original_Intent, TooConservative, christine, Rotara, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Lod, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#6)
I reject the word outright. I look upon Bush and his party with contempt, not hate. I hate no man. I do not see how any self-proclaimed conservative Republican can feel anything but contempt by the actions of Bush and the Republican party. The actions of Bush and his party is a textbook example of betrayal. Bush-hater is just another way to slime those who refuse to toe the line of the two-party fraud.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
If you've ever posted on a liberal or Dem forum as I have (DU, from which I was banned in 2005, three years after being banned from FR), you'll already know that, because of the inevitable connections to Israel which come up, the moderators do NOT allow Truther discussions for very long. I believe I was banned from that Dem forum because I used the Mossad motto "By way of deception, thou shalt do war" in reference to the 7-7-2005 London Subway bombings. I didn't even point out it WAS the Mossad motto, but I guess it struck a nerve. The site is based in NYC and run by Jews. Very few sites really allow for free speech. This is one of the few I've found that does.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Perhaps you would like to explain how these leading 9/11 Truthers are and have always been conservatives. Other conspiracy theories are of the more rubber room variety: i.e. the “no planers” who suggest that no commercial aircraft could penetrate the steel of the Trade Center towers and that missiles surrounded by holograms were used in a trick that would likely force Criss Angel into a jealous retirement (and not a moment too soon). Then there are those of an anti-Semitic mindset who think it was a Jewish conspiracy, believing – based on completely false information – that 4,000 Jewish people didn’t show up to work at WTC that day because they were somehow tipped off, maybe in a newsletter. Most 9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked to the point where there is hardly any bunk left to take out. (Click here and here for two of the best). Even Noam Chomsky, who could find a fascist plot afoot in Dora the Explorer, had this to say on 9/11 conspiracy theories: I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel. And Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone offers the following concise review of a popular online documentary that is a favorite of 9/11 conspiracy theorists: “Every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes.” The world we live in – where Bono is asked to do more at a G-8 summit than stay away from it – is one where celebrities have the power to propagate half-baked conspiracy theories, and fans, waylaid by the combined assault of celebrity-dom and the internet on common sense, lap it up. Celebrities may not have an ever-loving clue about the temperature at which steel loses its structural integrity, but their fame will somehow give them the green light to publicly disagree with a professional association of engineers and reckon out loud, “Nah, they just could not have fallen that way. The physics just don’t add up.” We started this blog with a quote by Bill Maher, undoubtedly a celebrity, but after watching the excellent Religulous, we put him in the camp of comedians with more to offer than jokes about misplaced socks like George Carlin, or Lenny Bruce before he went insane. Organizers at public events that these 10 celebrities are attending may want to be near a plug so they can pull it once they get on the topic of 9/11 — or at least have some air freshener on hand to help mask the heady bouquet of bullshit in the air. Here then are The Top 10 9/11 Celebrity Conspiracy Theory Nutjobs! .. Don’t we all. In England, most people would agree that these two are a pair of pratts before hearing the surname. Spencer and Heidi, best known for their turn on the self-indulgent rich kid zoo called The Hills, prove the danger of giving a broadband internet connection to people with basic literacy skills and the inability to think critically. Their “non-stop” research on the internet combined with Jones’ conspiracy video led them not only to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but the toe-headed pair were also clued into the fact that a secret plot to install chips in people is fulfilling biblical prophecy — Heidi: “My body belongs to Jesus Christ. I am a disciple of Jesus, and I will speak out to Christians … this chip is the end of humanity.” — and, continuing on in that vein of the oxygen-deprived religious nutcase, that birth control pills are actually just turds from Satan’s rabbit — “most women are suicidal sometimes on it.” Crazy conspiracy theorist right up there with those getting signals from the mothership via the beer fridge? Not so, says Heidi. “Conspiracy is a word they’ve created to make people sound crazy, but that’s not what God says,” she says. “You can persecute us, you can say whatever you want. ” And, unfortunately, the same holds true for these two. Woody Harrelson has gone from wiping down the bar at Cheers to serving as the poster boy for every sort of liberal/hippy cause imaginable, including good ones like legalizing marijuana. Woody has the rare and odd distinction of being not only the propagator of a popular conspiracy theory, but the son of a subject of a major one. His father, Charles Harrelson, was widely thought by conspiracy theorists to have been one of the “Three Tramps” seen in a box car behind Dealey Plaza after JFK was assassinated. The elder Harrelson first denied then boasted about his role in JFK’s murder, though — like the claims of a government turning against its own people on 9/11 — no solid supporting evidence was ever found to place him in Dallas that day. This quote by Mos Def — who undeniably turned in the best performance ever by an American hip-hop star in a British science-fiction comedy film — must have at least partially inspired the quote at the top of this blog. Mos Def made this statement amid a litany of craziness that included him stating that the moon landing was faked on an episode of Real Time With Bill Maher. Willie Nelson is one of the greatest country music songwriters of all time, a man who did his best to get out of paying taxes for as long as possible, and the face of fun old guy pot smoking… It is hard to find a cooler person than Willie Nelson. But his 9/11 conspiracy theory, predicated as it is on his having seen a building being blown up in Vegas, is like that idea for a novel you scribble down while higher than an eagle with a rocket up its ass – it seems brilliant while one’s burning, but is best binned and forgotten by the time you get off the couch. For those who ‘blinked’ and missed Blink 182’s one hit song, they were part of the skate punk movement, the founders of which are now in their mid-30s and probably wear all sorts of padding to stave off injury in the event of a fall. DeLonge takes Willie’s controlled demolition theory a step further, by saying — with the certainty only someone who knows exactly nothing about what he’s talking about can muster — that the 9/11 hijackers would not have been skilled enough as pilots to stage the attacks. Salon.com in an Ask The Pilot article addressing 9/11 questions, quoted someone who did fly planes for living as saying:”…Striking the Pentagon, or navigating along the Hudson River to Manhattan on a cloudless morning, with the sole intention of steering head-on into a building, did not require a mastery of airmanship.” DeLonge went for the low-hanging fruit by playing on everybody who isn’t peculiar’s dislike for Dick Cheney when he said the the then-vice president “knew that the planes [were] coming in and he capped the order to leave it alone so it could hit.” Blink 182 times if you believe: a) a conspiracy this big could ever have come off without someone spilling the beans and providing definitive proof of said beans and b) that the tongues of everyone who knew anything about said conspiracy would still be capable of wagging and not be, say, out of their heads. 5) Marion Cotillard: “We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes. Are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burnt for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [in NY], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.” It pains us to cast aspersions on a hot French actress who undoubtedly sounded very sexy while saying these crazy things, but, in addition to the above, Marion Cotillard — Oscar winner, 2008 –offered what is likely THE craziest reason anyone has come up with to explain why the US blew up the towers: it was to avoid all that pesky upkeep! “It was a money sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying them.” (Trade Center official getting an estimate on renovations prior to 9/11): “How much? And the re-cabling? You sure you didn’t add just add an extra zero there? What are you guys, union? Screw that noise. Let’s blow it up.” We reckon even the no planers would be saying, “What the hell is she going on about?” at this point. Jesse Ventura used to dress up in a feather boa and tights and stage pre-determined wrestling matches, but the suspension of disbelief required during his wrestling days pales compared to that needed to buy his 9/11 theories. Ventura, in Alex Jones’ video, is said to have ‘moved to Mexico to escape fascism’ (and in this picture looks like Sean Connery in Zardoz). Rosie O’Donnell is a one woman argument for upgrading basic cable and was a former host of The View, the TV equivalent of an induced coma. O’Donnell, no stranger to having a outsize gob and sticking her foot in it (it’s actually large enough to accommodate both of Shaquille O’Neal’s size 23s), took Jesse the Body’s contention one step with her claim that fire had never melted steel prior to 9/11. As Jonah Goldberg of the National Review wrote: “This, of course, came as news to steelworkers, blacksmiths, firefighters, manufacturers of samurai swords, and other fools who hadn’t realized that steel is forged in magic furnaces using dragon breath and pixie dust.” Janeane Garofalo is the world’s third most famous hairy, squat, Sicilian American after Rachael Ray and Danny De Vito, but neither as unintentionally or intentionally funny, respectively, as either (actually, De Vito was unexpectedly funny on a show nobody associates with humor of any kind whatsoever, The View). First Rosie, now Janeane, when did all the wisecracking supporting actresses in early 90s comedies turn into such vocal moon-howlers? Charlie Sheen, star of Two and a Half Men (and one quarter wit), is the bull goose loony of the celebrity truther movement. In better days, Charlie Sheen made headlines the honest way: he earned them by being one of the most debauched individuals in Hollywood, no small feat. These days, when he’s not exchanging bon mots with the husky kid from Fraser, Sheen works overtime in his role as celebrity spokesman for the truther movement. In a bizarre, and from a mental health standpoint, troubling, move, Sheen wrote a script of a fictional conversation between himself and Barack Obama, which, along with his 9/11 walk in wonderland also included the even fiction — that Obama likes and watches Two and a Half Men. He also compiled a video message to Obama. The video concerns the alleged cover up involving real estate mogul Larry Silverstein’s infamous ‘pull it’ remark, which, if you are living proof that gray matter consists mostly of fatty tissue, you construe as an order to demolish building 7 (because naturally as a multi billionaire you’d be motivated to collect on the world’s largest ever ‘insure-and-burn’ and then ruin everything by accidentally blurting out your clandestine plan on national TV).
TooConservative was looking to slime, nothing more, nothing less.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
All of these groups and their websites, virtually without exception, use the words "9/11" and "Truth" in their names. What are we supposed to call them?
I think we're arguing labels here. Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives. Thanks.
Actually, it would leave you with the old Perot voter demographic. That is pretty much what the Tea folk are with a splash of constitutionalism tossed in. The number of parallels between the Perot people and this Tea bunch is pretty extensive when you start to list them. I've said this consistently and made few friends with this statement of the obvious. Yet if you tossed in some big-eared midget ranting about some giant sucking sound, I think everyone would find it undeniable.
There are leaders, and there are followers. Those that don't question, well, can't be considered more than a follower.
"The all Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing". Herger the Joyous
How about any five nationally known Republicans or writers at Republican thinktanks or publications? There. That would be thousands for you to choose from, not just five. I don't think you can even find one, let alone five. For that matter, I don't think you can find them among the libertarian folk at LRC.
I hear ya' No answer :P
What are we supposed to call them? You are avoiding the point. Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form of name calling aimed at discrediting without having to actually address inconvenient things like the hundreds of contradictions between easily observable facts and the official fairy tale. It also is an attempt to sidestep the proven evidence that there physical anomalies which can, and have been, be shown to exist between the "Official Fairy Tale" and the cold hard evidence. Your choice of language is up to you. You may, if you wish, regurgitate planted terms invented to establish a blanket Argumentum Ad Hominem or you may actually look at the easily available facts and decide based upon the weight of evidence. However, it would appear you have already made a decision to be a regurgitator rather than an honest seeker of truth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Not believing the official version or thinking the investigation was cut short isn't the same thing. A doubter or a cynic is not really a Truther (or whatever it is you guys call yourselves if the word Truther is so offensive).
Just answer the question. If "Truther" is so damned offensive, what are we supposed to call you? You all call yourselves Truthers among yourselves. I know it. You can't deny it. So you try to deflect this.
So because they are celebrities they are "leading 9/11 Truthers?" Poor logic. They don't lead anything. And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? I didn't post anything about TOS1. I posted about your comments on TOS2. I posted them here because the majority of the people on this site are those you call truthers and with the exception of Ferret Mike, I am not aware of any of them being liberal dims, former or otherwise. Also, as I have stated, there wasn't a single person volunteering for the Ron Paul campaign who believed the government and none of us were liberal democans. And where are the conservatives/Republicans who were leading members of the early 9/11 Truth movement? I'm not a truther so I couldn't tell you. However, plain common sense would tell you that if you were a Republican or conservative leader who stood up and stated that they did not believe the events arond 9/11 they wouldn't be leaders now would they. Just like we know that there are tons of conservatives and republican leaders who do not believe in the WOD but are too afraid to say it in public. For that matter, where are any conservatives or Republicans now who subscribe to Truther theories? There were tons of them volunteering for Ron Paul during the primaries.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
No answer :P :)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther? A Liar or maybe a cover-upper?
I reject the word outright. I look upon Bush and his party with contempt, not hate. I hate no man. I do not see how any self-proclaimed conservative Republican can feel anything but contempt by the actions of Bush and the Republican party. The actions of Bush and his party is a textbook example of betrayal. Bush-hater is just another way to slime those who refuse to toe the line of the two-party fraud. Love here is intended in the ironical sense. As you I hate no one and will not succumb to the vice of hate, as it is counterproductive coloring every thought and move with negative emotion. That is true, but it is even more insidious as it is meant to intimidate people from criticizing the obvious and repeated dishonesties and murders. And the Bush mal-Administration was one of the most wantonly murderous regimes since Adolf Hitler. To attempt to color it any other way is to stand in defense of mass murder perpetrated by a deranged mind.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well, almost everyone except a few diehard Libertarians who supported RP ended up as a Republican so they could vote for him in the 2008 primary. I'm talking about people who had a long history of voting Republican. Your list will get short. Or non-existent. This is why I say you have to go back to the early years of the movement-which-seeks-the-truth-about-9/11 (just don't call them Truthers for god's sake).
since neocon jews are israel-firsters, warmongers, liars, and terrorists, you got some catching up to do in your branding efforts, dont you?
A falser? Seems like a conversational distraction, not an argument or a point to debate. But that's just me.
That is good.
what should we call people like the PNACers, who confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, and were in position to make their new pearl harbor happen on 9/11? what should we call the dancing israelis, who were overjoyed when they saw their mission was such a success? what should we call netanyahu, who thought the 9/11 operation was such a good idea?
Just answer the question. If "Truther" is so damned offensive, what are we supposed to call you? You all call yourselves Truthers among yourselves. I know it. You can't deny it. So you try to deflect this. Context and intent is everything - which you should know. A term used ironically and a term used disparagingly have obvious and opposite meanings - to the discerning. It is in fact you who is evading the point in that your usage of the term was clearly and obviously meant as a disparagement. I do not use the term "truther" except in jest, but I generally eschew its use altogether as I do not disparage people who are only seeking an honest accounting of facts and an explanation which accomodates them. You obviously wish to avoid the facts and to damn by use of disparaging terms. You show yourself to be at least intellectually dishonest and unwilling to take any viewpoint other than the "Party Lyin'".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what should we call the dancing israelis, who were overjoyed when they saw their mission was such a success? what should we call netanyahu, who thought the 9/11 operation was such a good idea? Jew bastards.
I don't call myself anything in regards to 9/11. No matter how far back you go on this site you cannot find me commenting on a 9/11 thread. I don't waste my time and I've already stated the reason why. Besides that, it's not the truther label that is the problem, it's your completely baseless smear that those who ARE truthers are liberal democrats. This site is filled with those you call truthers. To smear them as liberal democrats is a lie. What's next, smiling anti-war conservatives as liberals?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
You miss my whole point of posting your comment. It has nothing to do with the word truther and everything to do with your sliming of an entire group of people who in my experience are made up of people from all political ideologies. As for hard core Libertarians, I held my nose and voted for Chuck Baldwin, even though I am against the pro-WOD stance of his party. I believed and still believe that Bob Barr was a Republicrat plant put in to draw votes away from Dr. Paul.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
A term used ironically and a term used disparagingly have obvious and opposite meanings - to the discerning. It is in fact you who is evading the point in that your usage of the term was clearly and obviously meant as a disparagement. I do not use the term "truther" except in jest, but I generally eschew its use altogether as I do not disparage people who are only seeking an honest accounting of facts and an explanation which accomodates them. You obviously wish to avoid the facts and to damn by use of disparaging terms. You show yourself to be at least intellectually dishonest and unwilling to take any viewpoint other than the "Party Lyin'". My goodness, what a lot of keystrokes to avoid answering a simple question.
SOME and ALL have distinct and different meanings. Is Dr. Stephen Jones a liberal? Is Alex Jones a liberal? Are ALL the 1,000 plus members of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth Liberals. Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible. Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. What we do know is that the observed physical data is not adequately explained by the "Official Fairy Tale®". All you of the Anti-Truth movement seek to do is to divert the debate away from the facts and make it one of personalities. Facts do not have personalities. They are either true or false. Are true or false terms exclusive to liberals? Are we then to accept that a "good conservative" is one who blindly believes whatever cover story is put out regardless of the numbers of contradictions? Last I checked blind obedience and slack jawed credulousity were not listed among the conservative virtues.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call radical jews who figure they have to wreck the world so they can implement their "tikkun olam" ---aka, repairing the world to radical jewish specifications?
There are other sub-groups of that larger movement of Those Who Must Not Be Called Truthers. For instance, this site might show very little interest in the topic were it not possible to speculate that Mossad was behind 9/11. And there are also many liberals (including some Jews) who are anti-Zionist as well. But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement. Your entire argument rests solely and only on Logical Fallacies such as Argumentum Ad Hominem, Red Herring, Strawman Argument, and Guilt by Association. Anyone checking the listed references will find that there is TRUTH in what I have writ. Your argument is insubstantial and amounts to nothing more than name calling coupled with an attempt to keep people from asking questions, getting the data for themselves, and deciding their position based upon that data. In short I can find no honesty or truth in you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. 9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco. The movement spread to other cities from there, largely as a result of websites and videos circulated of that event. This is quite distinct from, for instance, the spread of groups who were interested in the Waco massacre which was very much a movement on the Right.
So you now assert that "Truthers" are supposed to be officially known as "The Truth Movement"? Is that just your name for it or do you have unanimous agreement among the rest of "The Truth Movement"?
what are we supposed to call radical mommies' boys jews who've exploited their holyhoax persecution myth until they're exempt from criticism, and so have become the grownup equivalent of four-year-old kids turned loose without supervision in a candy store?
I don't care.
You are welcome to your preconceived notions but you have no facts to back them up, your celebrity truthers article notwithstanding.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Again you move into logical evasion never once addressing any point of fact but seeking only to keep the questioning upon one of disparaging terms. You may choose freely your own words, but be it known that I am well versed in the ways of the liar and you will not divert me from pointing out the ways in which you are lying and evading. I think we have played this little game long enough to ask the obvious question. So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call the gang of international financial thugs whose main preoccupation at the moment is the looting of america? what are we supposed to call the israel-first terrorists who think they're entitled to kill millions of people to ensure the survival of their thuggish state, a state that was founded in lies, terrorism and injustice?
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are).
My goodness. I think I struck a nerve, judging by all those posts you've made.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI just love the term "Bush Haters" to describe anyone who points out the serial dishonesty and mass murder of the Bush Junta.
#17. To: christine (#4)
i can't think of any Truther i know who was ever a "dim liberal."
#18. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? Why are you so concerned that the political roots of the 9/11 conspiracy folks, every last one of them a liberal or a Leftie, should be concealed? 
10) Spencer and Heidi Pratt: (Excerpts from an appearance on the radio show of Alex Jones , himself a conspiracy theorist and the man behind “The Obama Deception” ): “We’ve been nonstop researching the Internet … for information for at least a month all day every day,” said Heidi. Spencer added: “From your [Jones'] research, it [9/11] 100 percent is [an inside job] … “I want to throw up.”
9) Woody Harrelson: “I am reading a book now called The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin. I’ve been stuck in the position of ignoring my gut — knowing things don’t stack up. Even though our government obviously took advantage of 9/11 by making it their “Reichstag”, I told myself, “Surely they weren’t involved”. After reading this book I can’t doubt that our government was at least complicit in allowing 9/11 to happen.” 
8) Mos Def: “I don’t believe it was bin Laden today. I don’t believe it was never him … I’m sorry, I’m from the projects, I know danger. I don’t feel no danger from that shit… Highly-educated people in all areas of science have spoken on the fishiness around the whole 9/11 theory.” 
7) Willie Nelson: “I saw one fall, and it was just so symmetrical, I said wait a minute. I just saw that last week at the casino in Las Vegas, and you see these implosions all the time. And the next one fell, and I said, hell, there’s another one – and they’re trying to tell me that an airplane did it, and I can’t go along with that… “What does it take for us to realize we’re having the wool pulled over our eyes one more time?” 
6) Tom DeLonge (Blink 182 singer): “We do know that the buildings came down in a fashion extremely similar to a controlled demolition of a building – we do know that expertise that is needed to fly those gigantic planes into that exact location could never have been achieved by someone that just learned how to fly a small plane.” 
4) Jesse Ventura: “How could those buildings fall at the speed of gravity – if you put a stopwatch on them both of those World Trade Center buildings were on the ground in ten seconds – how can that be? Never before in the annals of history has a fire caused a steel structure building to fall to the ground like these two did.”
3) Rosie O’Donnell: “It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved — World Trade Center 7. World Trade 1 and 2 got hit by planes. 7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible. 
2) Janeane Garofalo: “9/11 was an inside job!! I have come to this conclusion about that. … I think all Air America phone-in callers should open by saying, ‘9/11 was an inside job. We can all agree on that.’, then get on with their specific question or comment. We should re-condition the listening audience to accept the Truth about 9/11 as the gospel.” 
1) Charlie Sheen: “It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions.”
And where are the conservatives/Republicans who were leading members of the early 9/11 Truth movement? For that matter, where are any conservatives or Republicans now who subscribe to Truther theories?
#19. To: noone222 (#9)
I think people are capable of thinking about the events of 9-11 regardless of their political leanings. Frankly, I think it's a stupid suggestion.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#13)
Whenever I see someone use the planted PsyOp/Negative PR term "truther" (an intentional diminuitive used to degrade someone for seeking a true explanation for 911 that makes sense and squares with the easily available facts)
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
And where are the conservatives/Republicans who were leading members of the early 9/11 Truth movement?
#22. To: X-15 (#12)
This would gut the Tea Party movement, leaving a handful of neocons wandering around eating their lox and bagels.
#23. To: christine (#4)
oh, really? not in my experience. i can't think of any Truther i know who was ever a "dim liberal." Constitutional Truthseekers would be a more accurate label. it's amazing how the word truth(er) is being redefined as something bad. how wicked people are who dare to question the government and who seek truth. what a sick, evil culture this is.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives.
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives.
#26. To: TooConservative (#20)
All of these groups and their websites, virtually without exception, use the words "9/11" and "Truth" in their names.
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)
While not all were die hard truthers, not a one of us believed the government and almost to a man we all believed that the government was involved in some way, shape or form.
#28. To: Original_Intent (#26)
Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form...blah-blah-blah...dissemble...distract...philosophize...complain...blah-blah-blah...
#29. To: TooConservative (#18)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
I hear ya'
#31. To: TooConservative (#27)
#32. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, christine, Rotara, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Lod, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#16)
I just love the term "Bush Haters" to describe anyone who points out the serial dishonesty and mass murder of the Bush Junta.
Bush-hater is just another way to slime those who refuse to toe the line of the two-party fraud.
#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)
There were tons of them volunteering for Ron Paul during the primaries.
#34. To: TooConservative (#30)
#35. To: Itistoolate (#31)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther?
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
#37. To: TooConservative (#35)
#38. To: TooConservative (#28)
Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form...blah-blah-blah...dissemble...distract...philosophize...complain...blah-blah-blah...
#39. To: groundresonance (#37)
what should we call people like the PNACers, who confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, and were in position to make their new pearl harbor happen on 9/11?
#40. To: TooConservative (#27)
A doubter or a cynic is not really a Truther (or whatever it is you guys call yourselves if the word Truther is so offensive).
#41. To: TooConservative (#33)
(just don't call them Truthers for god's sake).
#42. To: Original_Intent (#38)
Context and intent is everything - which you should know.
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
#43. To: TooConservative, F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#18)
And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? Why are you so concerned that the political roots of the 9/11 conspiracy folks, every last one of them a liberal or a Leftie, should be concealed?
#44. To: TooConservative (#42)
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)
Besides that, it's not the truther label that is the problem, it's your completely baseless smear that those who ARE truthers are liberal democrats. This site is filled with those you call truthers. To smear them as liberal democrats is a lie. What's next, smiling anti-war conservatives as liberals?
#46. To: TooConservative (#42)
(Edited)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#47. To: TooConservative (#42)
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#48. To: Original_Intent (#43)
Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement.
#50. To: TooConservative (#48)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#51. To: groundresonance (#46)
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
#52. To: TooConservative (#45)
But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
#53. To: TooConservative (#49)
#54. To: TooConservative (#51)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#55. To: Original_Intent (#53)
So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#56. To: groundresonance (#54)
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