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Title: TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284970
Published: Mar 5, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-03-05 12:00:55 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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#8. To: Gatlin (#6) One article described Bedell as an "obsessed libertarian" ... but neglected to say what was meant by "obsessed." Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals and Bush-haters. Not dissimilar to the IRS plane-bomber. They then tried to use Ron Paul's campaign as their own political vehicle even though they had little success in recruiting the RP folk to their cause. This is when some of them started calling themselves libertarians. They have persisted in this long after Ron Paul repudiated Trutherism across the board. You can see why I keep saying that the Tea Parties need to repel boarders (Birchers, Birthers, Truthers, etc.) who demand that they be allowed to use Tea Party events to promote their own agenda. Too Conservative posted on 2010-03-05 11:48:37 ET Reply Trace
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#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
I think we're arguing labels here. Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives. Thanks.
Actually, it would leave you with the old Perot voter demographic. That is pretty much what the Tea folk are with a splash of constitutionalism tossed in. The number of parallels between the Perot people and this Tea bunch is pretty extensive when you start to list them. I've said this consistently and made few friends with this statement of the obvious. Yet if you tossed in some big-eared midget ranting about some giant sucking sound, I think everyone would find it undeniable.
There are leaders, and there are followers. Those that don't question, well, can't be considered more than a follower.
"The all Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing". Herger the Joyous
How about any five nationally known Republicans or writers at Republican thinktanks or publications? There. That would be thousands for you to choose from, not just five. I don't think you can even find one, let alone five. For that matter, I don't think you can find them among the libertarian folk at LRC.
I hear ya' No answer :P
What are we supposed to call them? You are avoiding the point. Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form of name calling aimed at discrediting without having to actually address inconvenient things like the hundreds of contradictions between easily observable facts and the official fairy tale. It also is an attempt to sidestep the proven evidence that there physical anomalies which can, and have been, be shown to exist between the "Official Fairy Tale" and the cold hard evidence. Your choice of language is up to you. You may, if you wish, regurgitate planted terms invented to establish a blanket Argumentum Ad Hominem or you may actually look at the easily available facts and decide based upon the weight of evidence. However, it would appear you have already made a decision to be a regurgitator rather than an honest seeker of truth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Not believing the official version or thinking the investigation was cut short isn't the same thing. A doubter or a cynic is not really a Truther (or whatever it is you guys call yourselves if the word Truther is so offensive).
Just answer the question. If "Truther" is so damned offensive, what are we supposed to call you? You all call yourselves Truthers among yourselves. I know it. You can't deny it. So you try to deflect this.
So because they are celebrities they are "leading 9/11 Truthers?" Poor logic. They don't lead anything. And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? I didn't post anything about TOS1. I posted about your comments on TOS2. I posted them here because the majority of the people on this site are those you call truthers and with the exception of Ferret Mike, I am not aware of any of them being liberal dims, former or otherwise. Also, as I have stated, there wasn't a single person volunteering for the Ron Paul campaign who believed the government and none of us were liberal democans. And where are the conservatives/Republicans who were leading members of the early 9/11 Truth movement? I'm not a truther so I couldn't tell you. However, plain common sense would tell you that if you were a Republican or conservative leader who stood up and stated that they did not believe the events arond 9/11 they wouldn't be leaders now would they. Just like we know that there are tons of conservatives and republican leaders who do not believe in the WOD but are too afraid to say it in public. For that matter, where are any conservatives or Republicans now who subscribe to Truther theories? There were tons of them volunteering for Ron Paul during the primaries.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
No answer :P :)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther? A Liar or maybe a cover-upper?
I reject the word outright. I look upon Bush and his party with contempt, not hate. I hate no man. I do not see how any self-proclaimed conservative Republican can feel anything but contempt by the actions of Bush and the Republican party. The actions of Bush and his party is a textbook example of betrayal. Bush-hater is just another way to slime those who refuse to toe the line of the two-party fraud. Love here is intended in the ironical sense. As you I hate no one and will not succumb to the vice of hate, as it is counterproductive coloring every thought and move with negative emotion. That is true, but it is even more insidious as it is meant to intimidate people from criticizing the obvious and repeated dishonesties and murders. And the Bush mal-Administration was one of the most wantonly murderous regimes since Adolf Hitler. To attempt to color it any other way is to stand in defense of mass murder perpetrated by a deranged mind.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well, almost everyone except a few diehard Libertarians who supported RP ended up as a Republican so they could vote for him in the 2008 primary. I'm talking about people who had a long history of voting Republican. Your list will get short. Or non-existent. This is why I say you have to go back to the early years of the movement-which-seeks-the-truth-about-9/11 (just don't call them Truthers for god's sake).
since neocon jews are israel-firsters, warmongers, liars, and terrorists, you got some catching up to do in your branding efforts, dont you?
A falser? Seems like a conversational distraction, not an argument or a point to debate. But that's just me.
That is good.
what should we call people like the PNACers, who confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, and were in position to make their new pearl harbor happen on 9/11? what should we call the dancing israelis, who were overjoyed when they saw their mission was such a success? what should we call netanyahu, who thought the 9/11 operation was such a good idea?
Just answer the question. If "Truther" is so damned offensive, what are we supposed to call you? You all call yourselves Truthers among yourselves. I know it. You can't deny it. So you try to deflect this. Context and intent is everything - which you should know. A term used ironically and a term used disparagingly have obvious and opposite meanings - to the discerning. It is in fact you who is evading the point in that your usage of the term was clearly and obviously meant as a disparagement. I do not use the term "truther" except in jest, but I generally eschew its use altogether as I do not disparage people who are only seeking an honest accounting of facts and an explanation which accomodates them. You obviously wish to avoid the facts and to damn by use of disparaging terms. You show yourself to be at least intellectually dishonest and unwilling to take any viewpoint other than the "Party Lyin'".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what should we call the dancing israelis, who were overjoyed when they saw their mission was such a success? what should we call netanyahu, who thought the 9/11 operation was such a good idea? Jew bastards.
I don't call myself anything in regards to 9/11. No matter how far back you go on this site you cannot find me commenting on a 9/11 thread. I don't waste my time and I've already stated the reason why. Besides that, it's not the truther label that is the problem, it's your completely baseless smear that those who ARE truthers are liberal democrats. This site is filled with those you call truthers. To smear them as liberal democrats is a lie. What's next, smiling anti-war conservatives as liberals?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
You miss my whole point of posting your comment. It has nothing to do with the word truther and everything to do with your sliming of an entire group of people who in my experience are made up of people from all political ideologies. As for hard core Libertarians, I held my nose and voted for Chuck Baldwin, even though I am against the pro-WOD stance of his party. I believed and still believe that Bob Barr was a Republicrat plant put in to draw votes away from Dr. Paul.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
A term used ironically and a term used disparagingly have obvious and opposite meanings - to the discerning. It is in fact you who is evading the point in that your usage of the term was clearly and obviously meant as a disparagement. I do not use the term "truther" except in jest, but I generally eschew its use altogether as I do not disparage people who are only seeking an honest accounting of facts and an explanation which accomodates them. You obviously wish to avoid the facts and to damn by use of disparaging terms. You show yourself to be at least intellectually dishonest and unwilling to take any viewpoint other than the "Party Lyin'". My goodness, what a lot of keystrokes to avoid answering a simple question.
SOME and ALL have distinct and different meanings. Is Dr. Stephen Jones a liberal? Is Alex Jones a liberal? Are ALL the 1,000 plus members of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth Liberals. Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible. Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. What we do know is that the observed physical data is not adequately explained by the "Official Fairy Tale®". All you of the Anti-Truth movement seek to do is to divert the debate away from the facts and make it one of personalities. Facts do not have personalities. They are either true or false. Are true or false terms exclusive to liberals? Are we then to accept that a "good conservative" is one who blindly believes whatever cover story is put out regardless of the numbers of contradictions? Last I checked blind obedience and slack jawed credulousity were not listed among the conservative virtues.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call radical jews who figure they have to wreck the world so they can implement their "tikkun olam" ---aka, repairing the world to radical jewish specifications?
There are other sub-groups of that larger movement of Those Who Must Not Be Called Truthers. For instance, this site might show very little interest in the topic were it not possible to speculate that Mossad was behind 9/11. And there are also many liberals (including some Jews) who are anti-Zionist as well. But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement. Your entire argument rests solely and only on Logical Fallacies such as Argumentum Ad Hominem, Red Herring, Strawman Argument, and Guilt by Association. Anyone checking the listed references will find that there is TRUTH in what I have writ. Your argument is insubstantial and amounts to nothing more than name calling coupled with an attempt to keep people from asking questions, getting the data for themselves, and deciding their position based upon that data. In short I can find no honesty or truth in you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. 9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco. The movement spread to other cities from there, largely as a result of websites and videos circulated of that event. This is quite distinct from, for instance, the spread of groups who were interested in the Waco massacre which was very much a movement on the Right.
So you now assert that "Truthers" are supposed to be officially known as "The Truth Movement"? Is that just your name for it or do you have unanimous agreement among the rest of "The Truth Movement"?
what are we supposed to call radical mommies' boys jews who've exploited their holyhoax persecution myth until they're exempt from criticism, and so have become the grownup equivalent of four-year-old kids turned loose without supervision in a candy store?
I don't care.
You are welcome to your preconceived notions but you have no facts to back them up, your celebrity truthers article notwithstanding.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Again you move into logical evasion never once addressing any point of fact but seeking only to keep the questioning upon one of disparaging terms. You may choose freely your own words, but be it known that I am well versed in the ways of the liar and you will not divert me from pointing out the ways in which you are lying and evading. I think we have played this little game long enough to ask the obvious question. So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call the gang of international financial thugs whose main preoccupation at the moment is the looting of america? what are we supposed to call the israel-first terrorists who think they're entitled to kill millions of people to ensure the survival of their thuggish state, a state that was founded in lies, terrorism and injustice?
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are).
My goodness. I think I struck a nerve, judging by all those posts you've made.
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are). nope. you're just another jewish mama's boy, spoiled to the point that you think you're entitled to rule the world, and convinced that it would be a good thing to blow up the world if you dont get your way.
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are). Although any denials you make at this point no longer have any credibility since your entire quiver consists of logical fallacies there are, of course, other possibilities: You could be a "hired gun" for a PR Agency on a contract. A pathological liar. Or slack jawed and credulous. Whatever the case you have been tried in the balance and found wanting. And whatever the case you are not, as you would like to misrepresent, an objective poster. You have an agenda, and that agenda does not include a pursuit of the truth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What makes your posts so hilarious is that you're so sincere. LOL.
Be that as it may it wasn't just liberals. Conservatives were being zotted from TOS1 for not believing the government line and Bushbots like Becket Saunders and others on TOS2 were calling for the arrest and imprisonment of those conservatives, independents and libertarians who dared ask questions during this very same time frame.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
What makes your posts so insincere is your total avoidance of all substance and focus upon personalities. A prime hallmark and identifier of the hired gun poster.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd where are the conservatives/Republicans who were leading members of the early 9/11 Truth movement?
#22. To: X-15 (#12)
This would gut the Tea Party movement, leaving a handful of neocons wandering around eating their lox and bagels.
#23. To: christine (#4)
oh, really? not in my experience. i can't think of any Truther i know who was ever a "dim liberal." Constitutional Truthseekers would be a more accurate label. it's amazing how the word truth(er) is being redefined as something bad. how wicked people are who dare to question the government and who seek truth. what a sick, evil culture this is.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives.
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
Please give me an idea of five (5) current conservatives.
#26. To: TooConservative (#20)
All of these groups and their websites, virtually without exception, use the words "9/11" and "Truth" in their names.
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)
While not all were die hard truthers, not a one of us believed the government and almost to a man we all believed that the government was involved in some way, shape or form.
#28. To: Original_Intent (#26)
Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form...blah-blah-blah...dissemble...distract...philosophize...complain...blah-blah-blah...
#29. To: TooConservative (#18)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
I hear ya'
#31. To: TooConservative (#27)
#32. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, christine, Rotara, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Lod, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#16)
I just love the term "Bush Haters" to describe anyone who points out the serial dishonesty and mass murder of the Bush Junta.
Bush-hater is just another way to slime those who refuse to toe the line of the two-party fraud.
#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)
There were tons of them volunteering for Ron Paul during the primaries.
#34. To: TooConservative (#30)
#35. To: Itistoolate (#31)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther?
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
#37. To: TooConservative (#35)
#38. To: TooConservative (#28)
Applying a diminuitive label to a group or cause is effectively an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack to disparage the viewpoint without actually disproving anything. It is nothing more than a sophisticated form...blah-blah-blah...dissemble...distract...philosophize...complain...blah-blah-blah...
#39. To: groundresonance (#37)
what should we call people like the PNACers, who confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, and were in position to make their new pearl harbor happen on 9/11?
#40. To: TooConservative (#27)
A doubter or a cynic is not really a Truther (or whatever it is you guys call yourselves if the word Truther is so offensive).
#41. To: TooConservative (#33)
(just don't call them Truthers for god's sake).
#42. To: Original_Intent (#38)
Context and intent is everything - which you should know.
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
#43. To: TooConservative, F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#18)
And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? Why are you so concerned that the political roots of the 9/11 conspiracy folks, every last one of them a liberal or a Leftie, should be concealed?
#44. To: TooConservative (#42)
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)
Besides that, it's not the truther label that is the problem, it's your completely baseless smear that those who ARE truthers are liberal democrats. This site is filled with those you call truthers. To smear them as liberal democrats is a lie. What's next, smiling anti-war conservatives as liberals?
#46. To: TooConservative (#42)
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#47. To: TooConservative (#42)
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#48. To: Original_Intent (#43)
Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement.
#50. To: TooConservative (#48)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#51. To: groundresonance (#46)
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
#52. To: TooConservative (#45)
But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
#53. To: TooConservative (#49)
#54. To: TooConservative (#51)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#55. To: Original_Intent (#53)
So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#56. To: groundresonance (#54)
#57. To: TooConservative (#55)
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So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#58. To: TooConservative (#55)
So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#59. To: Original_Intent, groundresonance (#58)
#60. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#48)
9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco. The movement spread to other cities from there, largely as a result of websites and videos circulated of that event.
#61. To: TooConservative, groundresonance (#59)
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