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Title: TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284970
Published: Mar 5, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-03-05 12:00:55 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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#8. To: Gatlin (#6) One article described Bedell as an "obsessed libertarian" ... but neglected to say what was meant by "obsessed." Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals and Bush-haters. Not dissimilar to the IRS plane-bomber. They then tried to use Ron Paul's campaign as their own political vehicle even though they had little success in recruiting the RP folk to their cause. This is when some of them started calling themselves libertarians. They have persisted in this long after Ron Paul repudiated Trutherism across the board. You can see why I keep saying that the Tea Parties need to repel boarders (Birchers, Birthers, Truthers, etc.) who demand that they be allowed to use Tea Party events to promote their own agenda. Too Conservative posted on 2010-03-05 11:48:37 ET Reply Trace
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#74. To: TooConservative (#72)
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it could be that a radical jewish belief system, instilled and reinforced by fanatical jewish mothers, produces psychosis in people of weak character, of which you might be an example. see where i'm coming from?
I liked it better a few posts back when I was supposed to be a Jew infiltrator or a paid agent of international Jewy mischief.
see where i'm coming from? I think most sane people can see exactly where you're coming from.
yup. you are apparently afflicted with... a belief system instilled and reinforced by fanatical mothers that think the sun rises and sets on their sons... a belief that the holyhoax persecution myth renders jews exempt from criticism.
i haven't myself, but i've certainly heard about the left gatekeepers. KOS is the same. 9/11 discussion is forbidden.
I never apologize for my liberal belief system; I come by it honestly. I am concerned about finding the truth and started looking at the inside job beliefs to learn how to debunk them. I can't, 9-11 was an inside job, and many evil and nasty things are happening in this country and the world. When I was a token liberal in the early days of Fre Republic when there was such a thing there, I often heard how I was working an agenda given to me by others. That always amused me as I have always been a political animal and am my own man politically. I am a former Democrat, and from an extremely liberal city and live in the counter-culture enclave here. I don't agree with many things many people here believe in and support, but I stay because people are onto the truth, and there are too few whe care to stay true to the truth. As long as this forum is a valuble asset in finding out the truth on 9-11, I appreciate and support this place. .....Hey! How the heck did I get on this soapbox? ;-D (I hate it when I don't see myself climbing up on those things.)
I think you have mommy issues.
As are pro-gun or pro-life posts generally.
do israelis have the right to kill as many people as possible when their state finally expires from thuggishness? do neocons have the right to do nuke first-strikes on china and russia? did europeans have the right to move to palestine and terrorize the natives from their land? does israel have the right to continue to terrorize the natives of palestine in continuing attempts to steal more land? if so, what "right" would that be? might makes right? is "might makes right" a psychopathic belief? if israelis and radical jews believe that "might makes right", how did they come to acquire that belief?
I dunno. Yes. No. Maybe.
If the term "truther" is meant to indicate someone who actively seeks the truth and wants to know what it is, however painful or hard it may be, then I don't mind being called a "truther." I think it is kinda ridiculous to label people with that and use it as a smear. The alternative is liar and I would much rather be called a truther than a liar. And if "truther" is a term meant solely for people who don't believe the government's insane conspiracy theory about the events of 9/11 I will still accept being called a truther. Because their conspiracy theory, that we were attacked by a bunch of Arab cave dwellers who hate us because of our freedom, is the wackiest of all. I said at the time that if they indeed hated us for our freedom they have been lied to and a lot! And they should start loving us pretty soon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. if you dont know it's flat out wrong to terrorize people from their land, threaten to kill millions of people if you dont get your way, and attempt to terrorize the world into submission by threatening nuke first strikes on two of the world's most powerful countries, then you must be a psychopath. i guess i can rest my case, cant i?
Whatever.
That is just more mindless blabber …. Yada…. Yada …. Yada! Looking for the truth is not political. Truthers do not share a common political ideology - you cannot put them all in the same box.
I'm just waiting for someone to list any Republicans or conservatives who are leaders in the "Movement Once Known As Truthers". That's because they were all libs and Lefties.
Bush was then the government in power - now the Truthers are questioning the current government in power. The Truthers are anti the government on the 9/11 issue. Truthers are NOT political!
That's because they were all libs and Lefties. No prominent Republicans or Democrats are Truthers. If you are a prominent political person you must back the government line on 9/11 (i.e., the Jewish line). 9/11 Truth is not political - it is for every America of all stripes to question! You wanting to make it ideological are doing a disservice to the truth about 9/11 and thus to America itself.
Frankly, I don't give a rats ass about the political party of the architects, engineers and physicists who dispute the goobermint story. However, Richard Gage sure walks, talks and acts like a conservative........ Here's an article re: Conservatives for 911 Truth Leading Conservatives: 9/11 Cover-Up Is questioning the government's version of what happened on 9/11 a traitorous activity? Is it something cooked up by liberals and the Democrat party to weaken the conservative movement or to undermine the President's ability to lead the country in this dangerous time? Well, let's see what leading conservatives have to say: Current Republican Congressman states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on" Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee, has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (if you suspect he is a closet liberal, take a look at his bio) Former high-ranking Reagan official and very influential conservative finds "massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax" Former Air Force Colonel and Pentagon official, who was part of the influential Office of Special Plans, and who was at the Pentagon on 9/11 does not believe the official story regarding 9/11 (see also this essay) Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC, former Executive Editor of Conservative Digest, and former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot questions many aspects of the government's version of 9/11 Former Governor of Minnesota questions the government's version of 9/11, including the collapse of the Twin Towers Conservative Arizona State Senator questions 9/11 In addition, the following high-level military and intelligence personnel have also questioned 9/11 (it is not clear whether or not they are conservatives; but their credentials are impressive): Retired Lieutenant Colonel who served 21 years in the U.S. Marine Corps, a fighter pilot who flew over 300 combat missions, questions the official version of 9/11 and said "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future...Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away." Former 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second- ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006) Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required), said "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job Former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions believes that the military was intentionally disabled on 9/11 in order to allow the attacks to succeed (see also this statement) High-ranking general and the former chief of NATO (in Danish; hint -- he mentions bombs in the Twin Towers) Why are you posting crap about the opinions of "stars" in Hollywierd? As if that has anything to do with the research.......do you consult what the "stars" think about all issues? Do you know the difference between having an opinion and doing research on an issue? Are these folks conservative enough for you?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You list the usual has-beens that have many motives for participating or making statements like these. None of them are among the original leaders of the 9/11 movement.
Excellent 'tube abraxas. Since TooConservative wasn't able to identify even one "conservative" by name to me earlier in this thread, I'm going to assume Richard Gage is one based on his dress, education and manor.
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD “A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret).1 With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. “There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.” Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, “I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. … Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ‘Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing’. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.” 2 During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot. Lt. Jeff Dahlstrom Former U.S. Air Force pilot Lt. Jeff Dahlstrom wrote in a 2007 statement to this author, “When 9/11 occurred I bought the entire government and mainstream media story line. I was a lifelong conservative Republican that voted for Bush/Cheney, twice. Curiosity about JFK’s death, after a late night TV re-run of Oliver Stone’s movie, got me started researching and digging for the truth about his assassins. “My research led me to a much more important and timely question: the mystery of what really did happen on 9/11. Everything that seemed real, turned out to be false. The US government and the news media, once again, were lying to the world about the real terrorists and the public murder of 2,972 innocents on 9/11. Capt. Daniel Davis Capt. Daniel Davis is a former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. After his military service, Capt. Davis served for 15 years as a Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division and then devoted an additional 15 years as founder and CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company. In a statement to this author, Capt. Davis wrote, “As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.” Major Jon I. Fox is a former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot and a retired commercial airline pilot for Continental Airlines with a 35-year commercial aviation career. In 2007, in support of the Architects and Engineers petition to reinvestigate 9/113, he wrote, “On hearing the military (NORAD/NEAD) excuses for no intercepts on 9/11/2001, I knew from personal experience that they were lying. I then began re-checking other evidence and found mostly more lies from the ‘official spokesmen’. Jet fuel fires at atmospheric pressure do not get hot enough to weaken steel. Structures do not collapse through themselves in free fall time with only gravity as the powering force.” 4 Capt. Daniel Davis Commander Ralph Kolstad Retired U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot Commander Ralph Kolstad started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. In a statement to this author, he wrote, “It just didn’t make any sense to me,” he said. And now six years after 9/11 he says, “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.” 5 Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy’s ‘Top Gun’ air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie “Top Gun” reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a ‘Top Gun’ adversary instructor. Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international carriers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career. Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, “At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.” Commander Kolstad adds, “I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!” Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD A Pentagon eye-witness and a former member of the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret), is a severe critic of the official account of 9/11. A contributing author to the 2006 book 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, she wrote, “I believe the [9/11] Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research.” She continued, “It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics.” Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret), an attack pilot with over 300 combat missions, wrote in 2007 to the Michigan Daily,9 “Our government has been hijacked by means of a ‘new Pearl Harbor’ and a lot of otherwise good and decent people who are gullible enough to think that the first three steel-framed buildings in history fall down because they have some fires that the fire fighter on the scene said could be knocked down with a couple of hoses and through which people walked before they were Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD - 5 - photographed looking out the holes10 where the plane hit. One of these, Building 7, was never hit by a plane and even NIST is ashamed to advance a reason for its collapse. And, miracle of miracles, these three buildings just happened to be leased and insured by the same guy who is on tape11 saying they decided to ‘PULL’ the last one to fall.” During his 20 year military career, Col. Lankford's decorations include the Distinguished Flying Cross, and 32 awards of the Air Medal. In a statement to this author, Col. Lankford wrote, “September 11, 2001 seems destined to be the watershed event of our lives and the greatest test for our democracy in our lifetimes. The evidence of government complicity in the lead-up to the events, the failure to respond during the event, and the astounding lack of any meaningful investigation afterwards, as well as the ignoring of evidence turned up by others that renders the official explanation impossible, may signal the end of the American experiment. It has been used to justify all manners of measures to legalize repression at home and as a pretext for behaving as an aggressive empire abroad. Until we demand an independent, honest, and thorough investigation and accountability for those whose action and inaction led to those events and the cover-up, our republic and our Constitution remain in the gravest danger.” Lt. Col. Jeff Latas Another harsh critic of the official account of 9/11 is Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret). A former combat fighter pilot, Col. Latas is currently a commercial airline pilot. Col. Latas is a member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth. In 2007 he was interviewed by the group’s founder, commercial airline pilot, Rob Balsamo,12 regarding the group’s documentary video, Pandora's Black Box, Chapter 2, Flight of American 77,13 which focuses on the 9/11 Commission's account of the impact of Flight 77 at the Pentagon and discrepancies with the data from the Flight Data Recorder alleged by the NTSB to be from Flight 77. In the interview, Col. Latas said, “After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation, would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening.” Capt. Eric H. May Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army (ret), is a former Army Intelligence Officer who also served as an inspector and interpreter for the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty team. He is one of many signers of a petition14 requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. In 2005, he wrote: “As a former Army officer, my tendency immediately after 9/11 was to rally 'round the colors and defend the country against what I then thought was an insidious, malicious all-Arab entity called Al-Qaida. Lt. Col. Jeff Latas In fact, in April of 2002, I attempted to reactivate my then-retired commission to return to serve my country in its time of peril. ... Now I view the 9/11 event as Professor David Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, views it: as a matter that implies either A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand- down of proper defense procedures that (if followed) would have led US air assets to a quick identification and confrontation of the passenger aircraft that impacted WTC 1 and WTC 2, or worse ... B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East.” 15 Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), is a Navy aviator, who, after retirement, had a second career as a commercial airline pilot for Pan-Am. In a 2007 interview on the Alex Jones Show,16 Commander Muga stated, “The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can, in fact, structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ... I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature. “And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ... I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous. “And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ... “Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible.” Col. George Nelson, MBA Maj. John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret), is the former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. In testimony before a 2005 Congressional briefing, he said, “It falls to me this morning to bring to your attention the story of Saeed Sheikh, whose full name is Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, and his astonishing rise to power in Al Qaeda, his crucial role in 9/11, which is completely, utterly, missing from the 9/11 Commission report … “The 9/11 Commission which studied US intelligence and law enforcement community performance in great detail, (maybe not so much great detail, but they did), neglected to cover the community’s performance during the weeks following the attacks to determine who was responsible for them, not a word about that in the Report. Capt. Omar Pradhan, U.S. Air Force, is a former AWACS command pilot and Flight Instructor at the U.S. Air Force Academy. In a 2007 statement to this author, Capt. Pradhan wrote, “As a proud American, as a distinguished USAF E-3 AWACS Aircraft Commander (with 350+ hours of combat time logged over Afghanistan and Iraq), and as a former U.S. Air Force Academy Flight Instructor, I warmly endorse the professional inquiry and pursuit of comprehensive truth sought by the Pilots for 911 Truth organization and the PatriotsQuestion911 website.” Another senior officer questioning the official account of 9/11 is Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret), Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan. A highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart), he was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 – 1994), and the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. He was Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. (1990 – 1994). That's just to page 7 on this site: http://patriotsquestion911.com/Article% 20Military%20Officers%20Challenge%20911.pdf Are these highly decorated military men and women conservative enough for you? There are ten more at the link.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Prove it. First you say no conservative are "truthers" which I have proved complete bovine excrement. Read the damn link before you spew more unsubstantiated bullshit. You will find that many were the first to call BS on the goobermint story and many continue to publish articles and seek a new investigation. I'm beginning to wonder what your motives are all about. You are proven to be full of bs and you can't even bother to read documentation of conservatives who stand up for a new investigation. What are you trying to prove? Obviously, your initial post, which you couldn't even bother to put a 10 minute search into, is all about something.......but not about what conservatives who want a new investigation have to say about 911.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I thought that was a good one too. : ) I've posted multiple names of conservative folks who call bs on 911......but now the argument is about how long they have been seeking a new investigation and something about their "motives" with not a shred of documentation to back up the smack........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Here's 8 more conservatives who are "truthers"........... Dec. 4, 2007 - Eight Senior Republican Administration Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 - “Not Possible”, “a Whitewash”, “False” featured statements by: h23; Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan h23; Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George H.W. Bush h23; Morgan Reynolds, PhD, former Chief Economist of the U.S. Department of Labor under current President George W. Bush h23; Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret), who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan h23; Mary Schiavo, JD, former Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation under Presidents George H.W. Bush and William Clinton h23; Barbara Honegger, Special Assistant to the Chief Domestic Policy Adviser to President Ronald Reagan. White House Policy Analyst. Project Director, Anti-Discrimination Federal Law Review, U.S. Department of Justice h23; Edward Peck, Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the U.S. State Department. Former U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission in Iraq h23; Morton Goulder, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_071202_seven_senior_republi.htm
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Marxists discuss 9-11 Truth
I don't think anyone would call me dim but liberal? The phrase classical liberalism is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the 20th century. And, after 1970, the phrase began to be used by libertarians to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government. It is sometimes difficult to tell which meaning is intended in a given source. I can live with that!
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." That would be me. I even voted for Bush the second time. I am no longer a Republican. I vote third party.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." The point remains: all of the leadership of the early Truther movement were libs and Lefties. None of those you mention was an original Truther. That is what started this thread. It is what this thread is about. You have not yet produced any early Truther who is/was a Republican or conservative.
A Liar or maybe a cover-upper? "Reality-Challenged"
A Liar or maybe a cover-upper? "Reality-Challenged" Borg.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." I love that one. And it is so right!!!
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Liberal firefighters?
I don't think anyone would call me dim but liberal? Classical liberalism is a political ideology that developed in the 19th century in England, Western Europe, and the Americas. It is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, and free markets.[1] Notable individuals who have contributed to classical liberalism include Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. There was a revival of interest in classical liberalism in the 20th century led by Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and other economists.[2] [3][4] The phrase classical liberalism is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the 20th century. And, after 1970, the phrase began to be used by libertarians to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government. It is sometimes difficult to tell which meaning is intended in a given source. I can live with that! Of course nowadays Classical Liberal = Libertarian. The Israel Firsters hate Libertarians because we would cut off Israel's Welfare Check.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
oh my...i can sure relate to that one. ;)
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I hope this thread didn't catch anyone by surprise...the pantload hasbara ho- bag wasn't fooling many I surmise.
By the time the thread was done I think anyone with any wit knew we were dealing with a hasbarfa or equivalent.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#75. To: groundresonance (#73)
which leads us to the unavoidable conclusion that you're a propagandist of some sort or another, or you're deranged.
#76. To: groundresonance (#74)
it could be that a radical jewish belief system, instilled and reinforced by fanatical jewish mothers, produces psychosis in people of weak character, of which you might be an example.
#77. To: TooConservative (#76)
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I think most sane people can see exactly where you're coming from.
a belief system based on the conviction that non-jews are about the same caliber of creature as cattle...
hangs together, doesnt it?
#78. To: Sam Houston (#17)
If you've ever posted on a liberal or Dem forum as I have (DU, from which I was banned in 2005, three years after being banned from FR), you'll already know that, because of the inevitable connections to Israel which come up, the moderators do NOT allow Truther discussions for very long.
#79. To: christine (#4)
"i just love how you and others are making 9/11 a Republican/Democrat issue. it's not. it's a truth versus lies issue."
Toruk Makto
#80. To: groundresonance (#77)
a belief system instilled and reinforced by fanatical mothers that think the sun rises and sets on their sons...
#81. To: christine (#78)
i haven't myself, but i've certainly heard about the left gatekeepers. KOS is the same. 9/11 discussion is forbidden.
#82. To: TooConservative (#80)
I think you have mommy issues
#83. To: groundresonance (#82)
#84. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative (#0)
Lord Acton
#85. To: TooConservative (#83)
(Edited)
I dunno
#86. To: groundresonance (#85)
#87. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
#88. To: your_neighbor (#87)
#89. To: TooConservative (#48)
9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco.
#90. To: TooConservative (#88)
I'm just waiting for someone to list any Republicans or conservatives who are leaders in the "Movement Once Known As Truthers".
#91. To: TooConservative (#88)
#92. To: abraxas (#91)
#93. To: abraxas, TooConservative (#91)
#94. To: TooConservative (#88)
That's because they were all libs and Lefties.
#95. To: TooConservative (#92)
None of them are among the original leaders of the 9/11 movement.
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
Since TooConservative wasn't able to identify even one "conservative" by name to me earlier in this thread, I'm going to assume Richard Gage is one based on his dress, education and manor.
#97. To: TooConservative (#88)
That's because they were all libs and Lefties
#98. To: TooConservative (#92)
#99. To: Original_Intent, F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, christine, Rotara, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Lod, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, CadetD (#32)
TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
Classical liberalism is a political ideology that developed in the 19th century in England, Western Europe, and the Americas. It is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, and free markets.[1] Notable individuals who have contributed to classical liberalism include Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. There was a revival of interest in classical liberalism in the 20th century led by Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and other economists.[2] [3][4]
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#100. To: TooConservative (#33)
I'm talking about people who had a long history of voting Republican.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#101. To: abraxas (#97)
#102. To: Itistoolate, Original_Intent, christine, farmfriend, F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, all (#31)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther?
"Nonsense wakes up the brain cells. And it helps develop a sense of humor, which is awfully important in this day and age" ~ Dr. Suess
#103. To: wudidiz, Itistoolate, Original_Intent, christine, F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, (#102)
Let me guess, what is the opposite of a truther?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#104. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, christine, all (#103)
"Nonsense wakes up the brain cells. And it helps develop a sense of humor, which is awfully important in this day and age" ~ Dr. Suess
#105. To: wudidiz (#104)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#106. To: Jethro Tull, TooConservative, all (#98)
"Nonsense wakes up the brain cells. And it helps develop a sense of humor, which is awfully important in this day and age" ~ Dr. Suess
#107. To: farmfriend F.A. Hayek Fan, TooConservative, christine, Rotara, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Lod, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, CadetD (#99)
TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
#108. To: wudidiz (#104)
#109. To: christine (#108)
"Nonsense wakes up the brain cells. And it helps develop a sense of humor, which is awfully important in this day and age" ~ Dr. Suess
#110. To: all (#109)
#111. To: VinnyTex (#110)
#112. To: Original_Intent (#107)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#113. To: Rotara (#112)
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