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Title: TooConservative claims that "Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals"
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284970
Published: Mar 5, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-03-05 12:00:55 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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#8. To: Gatlin (#6) One article described Bedell as an "obsessed libertarian" ... but neglected to say what was meant by "obsessed." Nearly all of the Truthers were originally Dim liberals and Bush-haters. Not dissimilar to the IRS plane-bomber. They then tried to use Ron Paul's campaign as their own political vehicle even though they had little success in recruiting the RP folk to their cause. This is when some of them started calling themselves libertarians. They have persisted in this long after Ron Paul repudiated Trutherism across the board. You can see why I keep saying that the Tea Parties need to repel boarders (Birchers, Birthers, Truthers, etc.) who demand that they be allowed to use Tea Party events to promote their own agenda. Too Conservative posted on 2010-03-05 11:48:37 ET Reply Trace
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#42. To: Original_Intent (#38)
A term used ironically and a term used disparagingly have obvious and opposite meanings - to the discerning. It is in fact you who is evading the point in that your usage of the term was clearly and obviously meant as a disparagement. I do not use the term "truther" except in jest, but I generally eschew its use altogether as I do not disparage people who are only seeking an honest accounting of facts and an explanation which accomodates them. You obviously wish to avoid the facts and to damn by use of disparaging terms. You show yourself to be at least intellectually dishonest and unwilling to take any viewpoint other than the "Party Lyin'". My goodness, what a lot of keystrokes to avoid answering a simple question.
SOME and ALL have distinct and different meanings. Is Dr. Stephen Jones a liberal? Is Alex Jones a liberal? Are ALL the 1,000 plus members of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth Liberals. Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible. Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. What we do know is that the observed physical data is not adequately explained by the "Official Fairy Tale®". All you of the Anti-Truth movement seek to do is to divert the debate away from the facts and make it one of personalities. Facts do not have personalities. They are either true or false. Are true or false terms exclusive to liberals? Are we then to accept that a "good conservative" is one who blindly believes whatever cover story is put out regardless of the numbers of contradictions? Last I checked blind obedience and slack jawed credulousity were not listed among the conservative virtues.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call radical jews who figure they have to wreck the world so they can implement their "tikkun olam" ---aka, repairing the world to radical jewish specifications?
There are other sub-groups of that larger movement of Those Who Must Not Be Called Truthers. For instance, this site might show very little interest in the topic were it not possible to speculate that Mossad was behind 9/11. And there are also many liberals (including some Jews) who are anti-Zionist as well. But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement. Your entire argument rests solely and only on Logical Fallacies such as Argumentum Ad Hominem, Red Herring, Strawman Argument, and Guilt by Association. Anyone checking the listed references will find that there is TRUTH in what I have writ. Your argument is insubstantial and amounts to nothing more than name calling coupled with an attempt to keep people from asking questions, getting the data for themselves, and deciding their position based upon that data. In short I can find no honesty or truth in you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Citing a few names in a contrived hit piece which was designed, obviously, to make mental associations which, however valid, are not representative of the full spectrum of those seeking the truth about what really occurred on 911. 9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco. The movement spread to other cities from there, largely as a result of websites and videos circulated of that event. This is quite distinct from, for instance, the spread of groups who were interested in the Waco massacre which was very much a movement on the Right.
So you now assert that "Truthers" are supposed to be officially known as "The Truth Movement"? Is that just your name for it or do you have unanimous agreement among the rest of "The Truth Movement"?
what are we supposed to call radical mommies' boys jews who've exploited their holyhoax persecution myth until they're exempt from criticism, and so have become the grownup equivalent of four-year-old kids turned loose without supervision in a candy store?
I don't care.
You are welcome to your preconceived notions but you have no facts to back them up, your celebrity truthers article notwithstanding.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Again you move into logical evasion never once addressing any point of fact but seeking only to keep the questioning upon one of disparaging terms. You may choose freely your own words, but be it known that I am well versed in the ways of the liar and you will not divert me from pointing out the ways in which you are lying and evading. I think we have played this little game long enough to ask the obvious question. So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what are we supposed to call the gang of international financial thugs whose main preoccupation at the moment is the looting of america? what are we supposed to call the israel-first terrorists who think they're entitled to kill millions of people to ensure the survival of their thuggish state, a state that was founded in lies, terrorism and injustice?
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are).
My goodness. I think I struck a nerve, judging by all those posts you've made.
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are). nope. you're just another jewish mama's boy, spoiled to the point that you think you're entitled to rule the world, and convinced that it would be a good thing to blow up the world if you dont get your way.
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are). Although any denials you make at this point no longer have any credibility since your entire quiver consists of logical fallacies there are, of course, other possibilities: You could be a "hired gun" for a PR Agency on a contract. A pathological liar. Or slack jawed and credulous. Whatever the case you have been tried in the balance and found wanting. And whatever the case you are not, as you would like to misrepresent, an objective poster. You have an agenda, and that agenda does not include a pursuit of the truth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What makes your posts so hilarious is that you're so sincere. LOL.
Be that as it may it wasn't just liberals. Conservatives were being zotted from TOS1 for not believing the government line and Bushbots like Becket Saunders and others on TOS2 were calling for the arrest and imprisonment of those conservatives, independents and libertarians who dared ask questions during this very same time frame.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
What makes your posts so insincere is your total avoidance of all substance and focus upon personalities. A prime hallmark and identifier of the hired gun poster.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
dont you think there's something drastically haywire with a belief system that produces people who laugh out loud about israeli threats to nuke millions of people?
What you are doing by trying to associate truthers with the Democans is no different than fifty yard line/pudlick trying to associate Ron Paul supporters with John Bedell and Joe Stack.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
As near as I can recall I was in San Francisco once - to change flights returning from an overseas assignment - I was in uniform at the time. That would have been during the 80's. Among the first to question 911 were simply those who observed that the official explanation did not square with the observed phenomena. Most liberals were afraid to speak out since they had just received a drubbing at the polls. So, most of the early voices which came, as early as the first week or two following the 911 PsyOp, were libertarians and honest conservatives. That was followed by a parade of disinformation pieces, such as the NOVA piece, purporting to prove the government hypothesis - such disinformation being discredited rapidly on such well known "liberal" hot beds as Liberty Forum, and TOS2 when it was still an open forum. Some of the strongest voices against the Bush Wars came from conservatives and libertarians. The attempt to classify them as "liberals" is at best disinformation.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That is because the shill's masters are worried about both. Either could be their undoing and both are working strongly toward that. The truth is their enemy just as it is our friend.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That was followed by a parade of disinformation pieces, such as the NOVA piece, purporting to prove the government hypothesis - such disinformation being discredited rapidly on such well known "liberal" hot beds as Liberty Forum, and TOS2 when it was still an open forum. Some of the strongest voices against the Bush Wars came from conservatives and libertarians. That is my recollection as well. The attempt to classify them as "liberals" is at best disinformation. I enjoy many of Too Conservatives posts. I believe that s/he has made some really good points in several different areas. However, I believe that s/he is way off on this subject.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
The term NeoCon fits you just fine.
I don't believe that TC is any type of shill, government or otherwise. I just believe that s/he is way off base on this subject.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
so that would make you an independent contractor for the liar movement.
Yes, somewhere on the entry ramp to the parking lot.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Careful. That is exactly the kind of thing always said by "Them". LOL.
i got to admit that it's a good thing that you drop in from time to time, so we can expose you and the likely causes of your problem. it seems to me, though, that you are reasonably intelligent, and so your persistence, even after your haywireness is pointed out to you, demonstrates something other than a search for truth. which leads us to the unavoidable conclusion that you're a propagandist of some sort or another, or you're deranged.
it could be that a radical jewish belief system, instilled and reinforced by fanatical jewish mothers, produces psychosis in people of weak character, of which you might be an example. see where i'm coming from?
I liked it better a few posts back when I was supposed to be a Jew infiltrator or a paid agent of international Jewy mischief.
see where i'm coming from? I think most sane people can see exactly where you're coming from.
yup. you are apparently afflicted with... a belief system instilled and reinforced by fanatical mothers that think the sun rises and sets on their sons... a belief that the holyhoax persecution myth renders jews exempt from criticism.
i haven't myself, but i've certainly heard about the left gatekeepers. KOS is the same. 9/11 discussion is forbidden.
I never apologize for my liberal belief system; I come by it honestly. I am concerned about finding the truth and started looking at the inside job beliefs to learn how to debunk them. I can't, 9-11 was an inside job, and many evil and nasty things are happening in this country and the world. When I was a token liberal in the early days of Fre Republic when there was such a thing there, I often heard how I was working an agenda given to me by others. That always amused me as I have always been a political animal and am my own man politically. I am a former Democrat, and from an extremely liberal city and live in the counter-culture enclave here. I don't agree with many things many people here believe in and support, but I stay because people are onto the truth, and there are too few whe care to stay true to the truth. As long as this forum is a valuble asset in finding out the truth on 9-11, I appreciate and support this place. .....Hey! How the heck did I get on this soapbox? ;-D (I hate it when I don't see myself climbing up on those things.)
I think you have mommy issues.
As are pro-gun or pro-life posts generally.
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
#43. To: TooConservative, F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#18)
And just why are you so fascinated by TOS1 anyway? Why are you so concerned that the political roots of the 9/11 conspiracy folks, every last one of them a liberal or a Leftie, should be concealed?
#44. To: TooConservative (#42)
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)
Besides that, it's not the truther label that is the problem, it's your completely baseless smear that those who ARE truthers are liberal democrats. This site is filled with those you call truthers. To smear them as liberal democrats is a lie. What's next, smiling anti-war conservatives as liberals?
#46. To: TooConservative (#42)
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What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#47. To: TooConservative (#42)
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#48. To: Original_Intent (#43)
Some of the earliest voices, mine among them, were so far from the left as to make your blanket assertion uncredible.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)
Again your argument does not dispute a single, fact, observation, or criticism of the Truth Movement.
#50. To: TooConservative (#48)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#51. To: groundresonance (#46)
what are we supposed to call spoiled israeli mama's boys, who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, hold their breath, turn blue, and nuke the motherfucking world if they arent allowed to exterminate palestinians?
#52. To: TooConservative (#45)
But speaking of the aggregate of this unnameable group and its origins, I stand by my original statement.
#53. To: TooConservative (#49)
#54. To: TooConservative (#51)
What are we supposed to call "The Group Formerly Known As Truthers"?
#55. To: Original_Intent (#53)
So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#56. To: groundresonance (#54)
#57. To: TooConservative (#55)
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So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#58. To: TooConservative (#55)
So, are you a Hasbara or Government Employee?
#59. To: Original_Intent, groundresonance (#58)
#60. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#48)
9/11 Truthers started at a 2002 anti-Bush rally in San Francisco. The movement spread to other cities from there, largely as a result of websites and videos circulated of that event.
#61. To: TooConservative, groundresonance (#59)
#62. To: TooConservative (#59)
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What makes your posts so hilarious is that you're so sincere. LOL.
#63. To: All, TooConservative (#60)
#64. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)
#65. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#63)
What you are doing by trying to associate truthers with the Democans is no different than fifty yard line/pudlick trying to associate Ron Paul supporters with John Bedell and Joe Stack.
#66. To: Original_Intent (#64)
Among the first to question 911 were simply those who observed that the official explanation did not square with the observed phenomena. Most liberals were afraid to speak out since they had just received a drubbing at the polls. So, most of the early voices which came, as early as the first week or two following the 911 PsyOp, were libertarians and honest conservatives.
#67. To: TooConservative (#35)
A falser?
#68. To: Original_Intent (#65)
That is because the shill's masters are worried about both. Either could be their undoing and both are working strongly toward that. The truth is their enemy just as it is our friend.
#69. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#55)
Not an employee of the government or this Hasbara (whoever they are).
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#70. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#68)
I just believe that s/he is way off base on this subject.
#71. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
#72. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#68)
I don't believe that TC is any type of shill, government or otherwise. I just believe that s/he is way off base on this subject.
#73. To: TooConservative (#72)
#74. To: TooConservative (#72)
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#75. To: groundresonance (#73)
which leads us to the unavoidable conclusion that you're a propagandist of some sort or another, or you're deranged.
#76. To: groundresonance (#74)
it could be that a radical jewish belief system, instilled and reinforced by fanatical jewish mothers, produces psychosis in people of weak character, of which you might be an example.
#77. To: TooConservative (#76)
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I think most sane people can see exactly where you're coming from.
a belief system based on the conviction that non-jews are about the same caliber of creature as cattle...
hangs together, doesnt it?
#78. To: Sam Houston (#17)
If you've ever posted on a liberal or Dem forum as I have (DU, from which I was banned in 2005, three years after being banned from FR), you'll already know that, because of the inevitable connections to Israel which come up, the moderators do NOT allow Truther discussions for very long.
#79. To: christine (#4)
"i just love how you and others are making 9/11 a Republican/Democrat issue. it's not. it's a truth versus lies issue."
Toruk Makto
#80. To: groundresonance (#77)
a belief system instilled and reinforced by fanatical mothers that think the sun rises and sets on their sons...
#81. To: christine (#78)
i haven't myself, but i've certainly heard about the left gatekeepers. KOS is the same. 9/11 discussion is forbidden.
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