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Title: Starbucks sticking to its guns: Java joint will continue to allow customers to carry legal firearms
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Published: Mar 4, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-03-05 16:21:56 by X-15
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SEATTLE - It gives new meaning to getting an extra shot in your latte. Starbucks said it will stick to its policy of letting customers carry guns where it's legal. It does not want to be put in the middle of a larger gun-control debate. The company's statement, issued Wednesday, was prompted by a campaign by some gun owners who have walked into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws allowing weapons to be carried openly in public places. Some of the events were spontaneous and others were bolstered by the pro-gun group OpenCarry.org. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence launched a petition drive demanding that the company "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones."
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
good for Starbucks!
Idiots. They want to disarm law abiding people so that the only people who have guns will be the criminals who work for the government and the independent contractors.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I agree. I was over at a friend's house; you know, one of those 'the TV stays on even with company vid addicts,' and this story came on. She started cursing "gun freaks" and "how they ere ruining our country." I opened my coat and showed her my hidden holster and told her I had a conceled carry permit. That I had left it I my car knowing she would have a herd of dairy cows if I had carried it into her house. (I knew she would disown me as a friend had I disrespected her home and castle with the 'evil' thing.) It rattled her, but made her think. We talk about it a while and I changed her perspective slightly. Although she did ask me not to wear the holster as well in her home next time fearing her son would see it and get ideas guns were OK. *Sigh* I am in Eugene, Oregon after all.
why do you carry a gun?
Why not?
On that day I was going to Portland, Oregon and going to be moving around Old Town on a Cenelli Bicycle worth some money. And there has been strong armed bicycle thefts on the weekend evenings in the past and I don't trust that place at that time. Just so you don't just think I'm a smart ass needlessly. Usually I just refuse to explain when I get a question like that. Because this is a forum where the question can be fair game, I'll be nice.
i see
I was chased once for the bike at a light rail stop I had just gotten off at by a group of 'youngters.' I just barely escaped with the bike. I learned from that. Though honestly, sometime I just carry one of my concealables. I started buying guns when in the U.S. Army and enjoy target shooting. I try not to be an easy target. Someone attacks me without cause of provacation, they are going to be one with a center mass shot.
maybe you should get a cheap bike, or at least scuff up your fancy one. sand it down to bare metal, spray it at random with three different colors of primer. dont wear your tights. or helmet. dress like a bum. i'm afraid you might fall off your bike and shoot yourself by accident.
a yuppie riding a thousand dollar bike in a bad part of town might be seen as a provocation in some circles... ...i mean, if you really really needed to shoot somebody, you could get a really fancy bike, dress up in your costume, and troll. then when someone got after you, you could plug them, and get away on a "self- defense" argument.
Heh, dude, dude, dude, fall off the bike? Shoot myself by accident? Yeah, right. For one thing, I am very fit and used to race road bicycles, I don't have to even put my foot down when I balance waiting for the light. As for guns, I have been a gun fanatic my entire life, and I have some years in combat arms in the U.S. Army. Even when I was a 'mere' helicopter crew chief, I went to door gunner school, had to qualify on the hand gun range for the sidearm I had an armsroom card for, and I spend hours and hours doing paint gun playing, shooting at outdoor ranges and the indoor range at Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville. It's OK, live in your little world and think that liberal views always denote a gun weenie. I don't mind. But that was the most halarious, yet dumb thing you have ever postd to me. ;-D As for the Cenelli, it is painted with Ferrari Red, has chromed forged lugs and special lightweight clod drawn, butted and heat treated tubing. It had a Campagnolo Churus groupo and is a LADY. I don't dress my ladies in rags. When they are as nice and as valuble a piece as that bike, you let it shine.
well, anyhow, once you've defended your "LADY", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee.
I'm no yuppie; never have been. I got away because I read their body language and moved a second before they did, I am fit, and as a good bike handler I mounted and sprinted very quickly. I do not use drugs, or drink, hve never smoked cigs, worked in the wood planting trees and other reforestation tyope work many years. Not to mention I have worked as a wildland fire fighter long enough to move into a crew leadership spot before I quit that work. I prefer bicycles to cars, and park and ride when I drive to Portland or whereever, and am usually on a bicycle here in Eugene. Sure I am a cocky SOB, but as far as Yuppies go, I don't resonate with them well at all.
I hate Starbuck's product, and don't do anything but black coffee. Drip black coffee, expresso sucks. And as far as gun 'statements' go, I have lived with doing that all my life, it would be no new and novel thing to me.
you're so attached to your fancy bike that you're willing to risk killing somebody in order to continue riding it. given your fascination with guns, it could be you're looking for trouble, whether you're willing to admit that to yourself or not.
I have never, and Lord willing, will never enter a Starbuck's outlet.
And you are always fishing for a dissing. I love bicycles and own many. I have the ugly Windsor Professional, which was made in Mexico City in the early 70s when they made Cenelli cpies with Cenelli lugs and sold them to small bike companies that needed a nice top quality bicycle for their product line. It had a Cappagnolo Record groupo and is heavier then her sister, but looks ratty and horrible with oxidized silver paint; though the lugs are also chromed. Or I can rid my LeMond cyclecross bike, or a Klein or Bridgestone mountan bike, I have options. But when I go to visit Portland I paid out the ass for the machine, and I love it. Not to mention Portland is a bike fanatic town, and riding that there is like driving an ego car/truck in So Cal. ;-D
so you're willing to risk shooting someone in order to play the portland bike snob game. good enough
portland bike snobs all carry, do they? once you guys get done riding, you can stop at starbucks and compare your guns over a nice $5 latte.
No guts, no glory, hotshot.
It's good strong coffee. But it's also one hell of a great diuretic.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or mind telling us what would be so glorious about a bike snob killing somebody over his bicycle? snobbery has it's price, is that the idea?
Some actually do carry. I'm ot the only person in Oregon who does. And Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine. So it goes.
good. now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.
I will cop to going to Einstein Bros. every morning for their Euro-French roast. They have an endless/bottomless cup deal, and with the senior's discount, the cost is just under one buck since I refill my own container.
Hiding in dark corners and dressing down so the bag ladies pushing a shopping cart look better than you to give into living in fear has a far higher cost to it. It's just as easy to die or kill a million other ways; so I am never going to obsess about the risk assessment you make about my infactuation with nice bicyles and weapons you muse about to spin your little diss.
Do you have a problem with anyone carrying to protect their life or their property? It's not about the value; it's about the ownership.
yup, if you got it, flaunt it, even when it puts you in a situation... or maybe... especially if it puts you in a situation where you might legally get away with murder.
Au contraire; it's the attacker's lack of concern for human life we talk about. I would not ever make anyone attack. You do the crime, you take your chances.
You're too freakin funny !!!
The World is being held hostage by an international terrorist organization best described as INTERNATIONAL (JEWISH) BANKERS. Their willing accomplices in government and media should swing from the rope just like the banking elites.
one more reason to own no more than is necessary.
well, maybe... could be, though, you're just itching to shoot somebody, and you're looking for an excuse. common sense in self defense doesnt enter into the picture at all if you place no value on human life, does it? ...assuming, of course, that you got the weapons and the other people dont.
So you are of the Islamic faith. I thought so. All beautiful women flaut the risk of rape if they don't burka up, hot shot? You are incredibly funny, dude. You should hire out as a straight man to someone who need one to do a comedy routine.
Well, if I was itching to kill, I would have done so by now. A gun is a tool, not a route to glory. Not to mention I am not dumb enough to want high velocity blood splatter coming my way in this age of mass STDs. Get s clue.
common sense would tell any rational person that they shouldnt go into a bad neighborhood and show off their wealth unless they're looking for trouble. you admit to a fascination with guns, you are unwilling to to admit to the common sense of "dressing down", so we can assume you're looking for a fight.
After the hosing we took when the Goldman jews let their fellow jew-competitors Lehman go down the toilet, we're watching our pennies here.
didnt you just post something about guts and glory? didnt you imply that if you didnt have guts enough to ride in bad neighborhoods on a flashy bike, you wouldnt get any glory? are we supposed to take it a step further: the most glory would come from plugging some dismal bastard who tried to steal your bike?
That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
well, the thing i'm objecting to, here, is mike going out of his way to invite trouble, and his being prepared to shoot somebody as a consequence of his bike snob ego problems. doesnt make any kind of sense unless mike's fucked up some way or another.
I hate Starbuck's product, and don't do anything but black coffee. Drip black coffee, expresso sucks. And as far as gun 'statements' go, I have lived with doing that all my life, it would be no new and novel thing to me. I remember going to the shop in the "U-District", in Seattle, before they went global. I did not at all care for their beans. I do enjoy their espresso though.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Maybe that's so to a bag bitch like you, ewe. Nah, if I were into taking the instant depreciation, I would of bought a new Seven, or other such machine. Now, that would be pretentious. I am never goig to be as fast again as I was when I raced in my prime, so I need no such machine. So, if you hamburger helper grade buzzard bait would know I have a classy machine that is not extremely prime a target for strong arm thieves/ robbers, yet well represents the era both the Cenelli Super Corsa and I were USCA catagory 1 or 2 race ready. GR, pretends to think everything should be made ugly and people should live in fear; but his bait is stale, and his thinking and writing skills are lame and pedestrian. Now Flintie, he or she is the French Whore of useless forum stupidity. No doubt he was not only so ugly as a breach birth the Afghani midwife pulling his useless carcass from the cow called his mom slapped her for insulting the world by carrying him for nine months. We all understand what it's problem is. He's brainless and malicious, with a taste for dating seven year old Black children. Well to each his or her own. Who am I to criticize one who makes the rest of humanity look so shiny?
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#2. To: X-15 (#0)
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
Lord Acton
#3. To: christine (#1)
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Toruk Makto
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#5. To: groundresonance (#4)
Toruk Makto
#6. To: groundresonance (#4)
(Edited)
Toruk Makto
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
#8. To: groundresonance (#7)
Toruk Makto
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
without cause of provacation
#11. To: groundresonance (#9)
Toruk Makto
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
(Edited)
#13. To: groundresonance (#10)
"a yuppie riding a thousand dollar bike in a bad part of town might be seen as a provocation in some circles... "
Toruk Makto
#14. To: groundresonance (#12)
"well, anyhow, once you've defended your "lady", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee."
Toruk Makto
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
(Edited)
#16. To: Ferret Mike, all (#14)
#17. To: groundresonance (#15)
Toruk Makto
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
I paid out the ass for the machine, and I love it. Not to mention Portland is a bike fanatic town, and riding that there is like driving an ego car/truck in So Cal.
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
#20. To: groundresonance (#18)
Toruk Makto
#21. To: Lod (#16)
die kill ~~ Me
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
(Edited)
No guts, no glory
#23. To: groundresonance (#19)
Toruk Makto
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
(Edited)
Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine.
#25. To: PSUSA (#21)
#26. To: groundresonance (#22)
(Edited)
"snobbery has it's price, is that the idea?"
Toruk Makto
#27. To: groundresonance (#24)
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Hiding in dark corners and dressing down
#29. To: groundresonance (#24)
"now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand."
Toruk Makto
#30. To: Lod (#25)
since I refill my own container.
#31. To: Lod (#27)
it's about the ownership
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
I would not ever make anyone attack.
#33. To: groundresonance (#28)
"yup, if you got it, flaunt it, even when it puts you in a situation...'
Toruk Makto
#34. To: groundresonance (#32)
"could be, though, you're just itching to shoot somebody, and you're looking for an excuse."
Toruk Makto
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#36. To: noone222 (#30)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
a route to glory
#38. To: groundresonance, Ferret Mike the Stoopid and Broke Weasel (#24)
now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.
#39. To: Flintlock (#38)
(Edited)
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
"well, anyhow, once you've defended your "lady", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee."
#41. To: Flintlock, groundresonance (#38)
(Edited)
"That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too."
Toruk Makto
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