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Title: Starbucks sticking to its guns: Java joint will continue to allow customers to carry legal firearms
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URL Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat ... s_starbucks.html#ixzz0e8kbURAb
Published: Mar 4, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-03-05 16:21:56 by X-15
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SEATTLE - It gives new meaning to getting an extra shot in your latte. Starbucks said it will stick to its policy of letting customers carry guns where it's legal. It does not want to be put in the middle of a larger gun-control debate. The company's statement, issued Wednesday, was prompted by a campaign by some gun owners who have walked into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws allowing weapons to be carried openly in public places. Some of the events were spontaneous and others were bolstered by the pro-gun group OpenCarry.org. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence launched a petition drive demanding that the company "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones."
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#14. To: groundresonance (#12)
I hate Starbuck's product, and don't do anything but black coffee. Drip black coffee, expresso sucks. And as far as gun 'statements' go, I have lived with doing that all my life, it would be no new and novel thing to me.
you're so attached to your fancy bike that you're willing to risk killing somebody in order to continue riding it. given your fascination with guns, it could be you're looking for trouble, whether you're willing to admit that to yourself or not.
I have never, and Lord willing, will never enter a Starbuck's outlet.
And you are always fishing for a dissing. I love bicycles and own many. I have the ugly Windsor Professional, which was made in Mexico City in the early 70s when they made Cenelli cpies with Cenelli lugs and sold them to small bike companies that needed a nice top quality bicycle for their product line. It had a Cappagnolo Record groupo and is heavier then her sister, but looks ratty and horrible with oxidized silver paint; though the lugs are also chromed. Or I can rid my LeMond cyclecross bike, or a Klein or Bridgestone mountan bike, I have options. But when I go to visit Portland I paid out the ass for the machine, and I love it. Not to mention Portland is a bike fanatic town, and riding that there is like driving an ego car/truck in So Cal. ;-D
so you're willing to risk shooting someone in order to play the portland bike snob game. good enough
portland bike snobs all carry, do they? once you guys get done riding, you can stop at starbucks and compare your guns over a nice $5 latte.
No guts, no glory, hotshot.
It's good strong coffee. But it's also one hell of a great diuretic.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or mind telling us what would be so glorious about a bike snob killing somebody over his bicycle? snobbery has it's price, is that the idea?
Some actually do carry. I'm ot the only person in Oregon who does. And Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine. So it goes.
good. now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.
I will cop to going to Einstein Bros. every morning for their Euro-French roast. They have an endless/bottomless cup deal, and with the senior's discount, the cost is just under one buck since I refill my own container.
Hiding in dark corners and dressing down so the bag ladies pushing a shopping cart look better than you to give into living in fear has a far higher cost to it. It's just as easy to die or kill a million other ways; so I am never going to obsess about the risk assessment you make about my infactuation with nice bicyles and weapons you muse about to spin your little diss.
Do you have a problem with anyone carrying to protect their life or their property? It's not about the value; it's about the ownership.
yup, if you got it, flaunt it, even when it puts you in a situation... or maybe... especially if it puts you in a situation where you might legally get away with murder.
Au contraire; it's the attacker's lack of concern for human life we talk about. I would not ever make anyone attack. You do the crime, you take your chances.
You're too freakin funny !!!
The World is being held hostage by an international terrorist organization best described as INTERNATIONAL (JEWISH) BANKERS. Their willing accomplices in government and media should swing from the rope just like the banking elites.
one more reason to own no more than is necessary.
well, maybe... could be, though, you're just itching to shoot somebody, and you're looking for an excuse. common sense in self defense doesnt enter into the picture at all if you place no value on human life, does it? ...assuming, of course, that you got the weapons and the other people dont.
So you are of the Islamic faith. I thought so. All beautiful women flaut the risk of rape if they don't burka up, hot shot? You are incredibly funny, dude. You should hire out as a straight man to someone who need one to do a comedy routine.
Well, if I was itching to kill, I would have done so by now. A gun is a tool, not a route to glory. Not to mention I am not dumb enough to want high velocity blood splatter coming my way in this age of mass STDs. Get s clue.
common sense would tell any rational person that they shouldnt go into a bad neighborhood and show off their wealth unless they're looking for trouble. you admit to a fascination with guns, you are unwilling to to admit to the common sense of "dressing down", so we can assume you're looking for a fight.
After the hosing we took when the Goldman jews let their fellow jew-competitors Lehman go down the toilet, we're watching our pennies here.
didnt you just post something about guts and glory? didnt you imply that if you didnt have guts enough to ride in bad neighborhoods on a flashy bike, you wouldnt get any glory? are we supposed to take it a step further: the most glory would come from plugging some dismal bastard who tried to steal your bike?
That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
well, the thing i'm objecting to, here, is mike going out of his way to invite trouble, and his being prepared to shoot somebody as a consequence of his bike snob ego problems. doesnt make any kind of sense unless mike's fucked up some way or another.
I hate Starbuck's product, and don't do anything but black coffee. Drip black coffee, expresso sucks. And as far as gun 'statements' go, I have lived with doing that all my life, it would be no new and novel thing to me. I remember going to the shop in the "U-District", in Seattle, before they went global. I did not at all care for their beans. I do enjoy their espresso though.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Maybe that's so to a bag bitch like you, ewe. Nah, if I were into taking the instant depreciation, I would of bought a new Seven, or other such machine. Now, that would be pretentious. I am never goig to be as fast again as I was when I raced in my prime, so I need no such machine. So, if you hamburger helper grade buzzard bait would know I have a classy machine that is not extremely prime a target for strong arm thieves/ robbers, yet well represents the era both the Cenelli Super Corsa and I were USCA catagory 1 or 2 race ready. GR, pretends to think everything should be made ugly and people should live in fear; but his bait is stale, and his thinking and writing skills are lame and pedestrian. Now Flintie, he or she is the French Whore of useless forum stupidity. No doubt he was not only so ugly as a breach birth the Afghani midwife pulling his useless carcass from the cow called his mom slapped her for insulting the world by carrying him for nine months. We all understand what it's problem is. He's brainless and malicious, with a taste for dating seven year old Black children. Well to each his or her own. Who am I to criticize one who makes the rest of humanity look so shiny?
so, if you're not looking for an excuse to shoot somebody, maybe you're just a plain old adrenaline junky... maybe you should go homesteading in the west bank. meanwhile, one of the best ways i know of to live in fear is to own flashy shit that other people want... and if you're a materialist with ego problems --- someone who has to define himself by his possessions--- you're in a bind. as i got older, i got rid of a lot of junk, including a porsche 911, because all that stuff was too much grief, and the only thing i've accumulated since are tools, and those mostly second hand, all of them meaningless as status symbols, but useful. so you're the one living in fear... why else do you need to pack a gun? you're afraid someone's gonna try to steal your bike...? well, maybe... maybe not.
so what it boils down to, is this: if you're such a fearful person that you need to pack a gun, that implies that you're doing something wrong, or your wiring is messed up... ...or, worst of all, you're so messed up that you dont even know you're putting yourself in harms way because you want to use your gun on somebody.
I never have pretended to be Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. I am man enough to not pretend to be perfect, and you are most welcome to your opinions of me. Though it's obvious you have an agenda by focussing just on my alleged failings as a human being. If you stay and continue to obsess on me, you are in fact merely baiting. If you move on and find more mature and pertinent to the topic things to comment on, you are being a responsible contributor of an interlocutor. But you knew that, because I have been reading your stuff. You are coy but knowledgable enough so you must have some good intelligence to you. You may well be someone with whom I have scrapped before in some forum somewhere, who's to say? But I don't worry about that as I jut have to take you as you are in the new account you are in. It is noted you don't like me; fine, your choice; now let's move on. And as always, thanks for sharing.
Weasel The problem between you two is now obvious, he's your daddy. Now you know who he is....
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
in other words, you cant defend your position. you go out of your way to put yourself in situations in which you might have to use your gun. your status as an elite bicyclist is more important to you than the fear it generates... fear so great, if we're to believe your story, that you had to buy a gun to protect your bicycle. what is the real reason you're so fearful that you bought a gun? is there a real threat, or is it just paranoia, or is it something darker? ...especially in view of your refusal to take common sense defensive measures that would make your gun unnecessary? or is that part of the new world order...? ...elitists will take great pleasure in showing off their wealth to the growing number of poor, and those elitists will make sure the poor understand that resistance is futile, because the elite are armed to the teeth. sounds good to me.
Ya know, even though I think it may look like that's what happened, and it may have affected you like that's what happened ... I ain't so sure that the whole lot of those Jews didn't simply consolidate the wealth they were stealing.
The World is being held hostage by an international terrorist organization best described as INTERNATIONAL (JEWISH) BANKERS. Their willing accomplices in government and media should swing from the rope just like the banking elites.
I got into guns when I was a paratrooper because I was a good shot; better than average actually, and bored. And anyone who has served in the shithole of Ft. Bragg, N.C. near Fayettenam knows what I say is unfortunately very true. That was in the late seventies, during Jimmy Carter's presidency, not now. Fact is though, since I got my first 22 cal bolt action rifle at age 12, guns were something I just took for grsnted as a typical tool to have around. You assume way too much. You stereotype people like me as hateful of guns, as pro-abortion, and unwilling to scrap. None of the three are true of me. I also hunt, usually with a compound bow, I love paint ball combat, and I react to someone bigger and stronger than me physically threatening to fight by jumping on them unmercifully and as harshly as I can. And I've always done that. It's how my nature works. The bicycle I grew to love when I lived on Cow Hill Road in Clinton. CT. I lived in a boring, underpopulated corner of Clinton that was very boring. I found that I was not built to be a top track and cross country runner like I would of loved to be, but could compete quite nicely on a bicycle, as a sharp mind was more important then long legs. Good machines are requisite in racing, and so I got into quality bicycles. You are amusing in your wrong assumptions. And as I have the satisfaction of knowing I speak the truth, your mistrust of my words means nothing to me and does not affect me in the least. The best defense of a bicycle is bicycle handling skills and fitness anyway. If you get boxed in and a gang of thugs want to take it, I would give it up and do nothing if I could back away. I observe a strict continuum of use of force, and am no cowboy with firearms. I'l use if only if my life is in jeopardy too. Must thieves just want to take and than run. No property like a wallet or bike is worth the stickiness of shooting people. I will say though that if I pull out a gun and haved to aim ot it is going to get used. Count on that. And I don't do Badeye nonsense like 'kneecapping.' Out numbered one is dead if overwhelmed by friends of someone you just waxed. And there is the bio hazard aspect of the thief's blood. Assume as you wish, but I am very smart, and a survivor. And I work toward survival over the mere preservation of immediate control of my material goods. ;-)
doobie-doobie doo...
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
You will not find a screwier,whacked out, nutjob on this forum than the Weasel. One minute he's a tree-hugging,Obama campaigning, Gaia worshiping pacifist, then Whammo! It turns into a hard ass, hair triggered gunslinger. You could say the Weasel had a screw loose, but the truth is, that he doesn't have any that are tight.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
That's funny, makes me think of stagecoach music, so darlings please kiss me goodbye...
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
You should have your menopause meds checked, because you (1) forget giai is not an appellation I use, (2) I have posted about my position on guns and mentioned I own several many times on Free Republic, Liberty Post and here, (3) have mentioned I bow hunt many times as well. You whine like a ninety year old Jewish grandmother whose snatch looks like a three month old grilled cheese sandwich. You are amusing, yet gross and pathetic. Any questions?
Assuming you were heterosexual which I doubt, that's about the only pussy you could get.....even if you paid Yeah, what's it like being you? I mean you're a middle aged loser wacko who couldn't rub two dimes together if they put a gun to your head. Now that's gross and pathetic. ROTFLMAO ... at you
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Sorry to hear of this ill-fortune.
The World is being held hostage by an international terrorist organization best described as INTERNATIONAL (JEWISH) BANKERS. Their willing accomplices in government and media should swing from the rope just like the banking elites.
"well, anyhow, once you've defended your "lady", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee."
Toruk Makto
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
(Edited)
#16. To: Ferret Mike, all (#14)
#17. To: groundresonance (#15)
Toruk Makto
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
I paid out the ass for the machine, and I love it. Not to mention Portland is a bike fanatic town, and riding that there is like driving an ego car/truck in So Cal.
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
#20. To: groundresonance (#18)
Toruk Makto
#21. To: Lod (#16)
die kill ~~ Me
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
(Edited)
No guts, no glory
#23. To: groundresonance (#19)
Toruk Makto
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
(Edited)
Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine.
#25. To: PSUSA (#21)
#26. To: groundresonance (#22)
(Edited)
"snobbery has it's price, is that the idea?"
Toruk Makto
#27. To: groundresonance (#24)
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Hiding in dark corners and dressing down
#29. To: groundresonance (#24)
"now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand."
Toruk Makto
#30. To: Lod (#25)
since I refill my own container.
#31. To: Lod (#27)
it's about the ownership
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
I would not ever make anyone attack.
#33. To: groundresonance (#28)
"yup, if you got it, flaunt it, even when it puts you in a situation...'
Toruk Makto
#34. To: groundresonance (#32)
"could be, though, you're just itching to shoot somebody, and you're looking for an excuse."
Toruk Makto
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#36. To: noone222 (#30)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
a route to glory
#38. To: groundresonance, Ferret Mike the Stoopid and Broke Weasel (#24)
now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.
#39. To: Flintlock (#38)
(Edited)
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
"well, anyhow, once you've defended your "lady", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee."
#41. To: Flintlock, groundresonance (#38)
(Edited)
"That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too."
Toruk Makto
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
(Edited)
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
(Edited)
#44. To: groundresonance (#42)
(Edited)
Toruk Makto
#45. To: Ferret Mike, aka, Mudboy the Weasel, groundresonance (#41)
He's brainless and malicious, with a taste for dating seven year old Black children.
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
#47. To: Lod (#36)
Goldman jews let their fellow jew-competitors Lehman go down the toilet
#48. To: groundresonance (#46)
(Edited)
Toruk Makto
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
(Edited)
I observe a strict continuum of use of force, and am no cowboy with firearms.
#50. To: groundresonance, The Weasel (#39)
doesnt make any kind of sense unless mike's fucked up some way or another.
#51. To: Flintlock, ferret Mike (#50)
You could say the Weasel had a screw loose, but the truth is, that he doesn't have any that are tight.
#52. To: Flintlock (#50)
(Edited)
"You will not find a screwier,whacked out, nutjob on this forum than the Weasel. One minute he's a tree-hugging,Obama campaigning, Gaia worshiping pacifist, then Whammo! It turns into a hard ass, hair triggered gunslinger."
Toruk Makto
#53. To: Ferret Mike, The Poor Broke Loser Weasel (#52)
(Edited)
a ninety year old Jewish grandmother whose snatch looks like a three month old grilled cheese sandwich.
Any questions?
#54. To: Lod (#36)
After the hosing we took when the Goldman jews let their fellow jew-competitors Lehman go down the toilet, we're watching our pennies here.
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