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Title: Starbucks sticking to its guns: Java joint will continue to allow customers to carry legal firearms
Source: NYDailynews.com
URL Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat ... s_starbucks.html#ixzz0e8kbURAb
Published: Mar 4, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-03-05 16:21:56 by X-15
Ping List: *Shooters*     Subscribe to *Shooters*
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Views: 655
Comments: 54

SEATTLE - It gives new meaning to getting an extra shot in your latte.

Starbucks said it will stick to its policy of letting customers carry guns where it's legal. It does not want to be put in the middle of a larger gun-control debate.

The company's statement, issued Wednesday, was prompted by a campaign by some gun owners who have walked into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws allowing weapons to be carried openly in public places.

Some of the events were spontaneous and others were bolstered by the pro-gun group OpenCarry.org.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence launched a petition drive demanding that the company "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones." Subscribe to *Shooters*

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

good for Starbucks!

christine  posted on  2010-03-05   17:27:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree. I was over at a friend's house; you know, one of those 'the TV stays on even with company vid addicts,' and this story came on. She started cursing "gun freaks" and "how they ere ruining our country."

I opened my coat and showed her my hidden holster and told her I had a conceled carry permit. That I had left it I my car knowing she would have a herd of dairy cows if I had carried it into her house. (I knew she would disown me as a friend had I disrespected her home and castle with the 'evil' thing.)

It rattled her, but made her think. We talk about it a while and I changed her perspective slightly.

Although she did ask me not to wear the holster as well in her home next time fearing her son would see it and get ideas guns were OK. *Sigh* I am in Eugene, Oregon after all.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   13:18:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

why do you carry a gun?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   13:31:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

On that day I was going to Portland, Oregon and going to be moving around Old Town on a Cenelli Bicycle worth some money. And there has been strong armed bicycle thefts on the weekend evenings in the past and I don't trust that place at that time. Just so you don't just think I'm a smart ass needlessly.

Usually I just refuse to explain when I get a question like that. Because this is a forum where the question can be fair game, I'll be nice.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   13:56:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i see

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   14:01:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was chased once for the bike at a light rail stop I had just gotten off at by a group of 'youngters.' I just barely escaped with the bike. I learned from that. Though honestly, sometime I just carry one of my concealables.

I started buying guns when in the U.S. Army and enjoy target shooting. I try not to be an easy target. Someone attacks me without cause of provacation, they are going to be one with a center mass shot.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   14:21:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

maybe you should get a cheap bike, or at least scuff up your fancy one.

sand it down to bare metal, spray it at random with three different colors of primer.

dont wear your tights. or helmet. dress like a bum.

i'm afraid you might fall off your bike and shoot yourself by accident.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   14:34:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Heh, dude, dude, dude, fall off the bike? Shoot myself by accident? Yeah, right.

For one thing, I am very fit and used to race road bicycles, I don't have to even put my foot down when I balance waiting for the light. As for guns, I have been a gun fanatic my entire life, and I have some years in combat arms in the U.S. Army. Even when I was a 'mere' helicopter crew chief, I went to door gunner school, had to qualify on the hand gun range for the sidearm I had an armsroom card for, and I spend hours and hours doing paint gun playing, shooting at outdoor ranges and the indoor range at Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville.

It's OK, live in your little world and think that liberal views always denote a gun weenie. I don't mind. But that was the most halarious, yet dumb thing you have ever postd to me. ;-D

As for the Cenelli, it is painted with Ferrari Red, has chromed forged lugs and special lightweight clod drawn, butted and heat treated tubing. It had a Campagnolo Churus groupo and is a LADY. I don't dress my ladies in rags. When they are as nice and as valuble a piece as that bike, you let it shine.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   14:52:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

well, anyhow, once you've defended your "LADY", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   14:58:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"well, anyhow, once you've defended your "lady", and the ambulance hauls off the casualties, and you've made your statement to the cops, it will be a comfort to drop into starbucks, with your gun, to have a five-dollar cup of coffee."

I hate Starbuck's product, and don't do anything but black coffee. Drip black coffee, expresso sucks. And as far as gun 'statements' go, I have lived with doing that all my life, it would be no new and novel thing to me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   15:02:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

you're so attached to your fancy bike that you're willing to risk killing somebody in order to continue riding it.

given your fascination with guns, it could be you're looking for trouble, whether you're willing to admit that to yourself or not.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   15:07:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And you are always fishing for a dissing. I love bicycles and own many. I have the ugly Windsor Professional, which was made in Mexico City in the early 70s when they made Cenelli cpies with Cenelli lugs and sold them to small bike companies that needed a nice top quality bicycle for their product line. It had a Cappagnolo Record groupo and is heavier then her sister, but looks ratty and horrible with oxidized silver paint; though the lugs are also chromed.

Or I can rid my LeMond cyclecross bike, or a Klein or Bridgestone mountan bike, I have options. But when I go to visit Portland I paid out the ass for the machine, and I love it. Not to mention Portland is a bike fanatic town, and riding that there is like driving an ego car/truck in So Cal. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   15:44:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

portland bike snobs all carry, do they?

once you guys get done riding, you can stop at starbucks and compare your guns over a nice $5 latte.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   15:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some actually do carry. I'm ot the only person in Oregon who does. And Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine.

So it goes.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   15:53:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Little Beirut has many bicyle snobs in it, many with five or six thousand dollar machines; not a 1988 classic worth about three grand like mine.

good.

now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   15:54:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

now we know the value of a human life to ferret mike... somewhat less than three grand.

That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too.

Flintlock  posted on  2010-03-06   16:19:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"That 3 grand represents all the Weasel has to show for his useless life. You'd think he'd at least have an old Cadillac (as his genes demand) too."

Maybe that's so to a bag bitch like you, ewe. Nah, if I were into taking the instant depreciation, I would of bought a new Seven, or other such machine.

Now, that would be pretentious. I am never goig to be as fast again as I was when I raced in my prime, so I need no such machine. So, if you hamburger helper grade buzzard bait would know I have a classy machine that is not extremely prime a target for strong arm thieves/ robbers, yet well represents the era both the Cenelli Super Corsa and I were USCA catagory 1 or 2 race ready.

GR, pretends to think everything should be made ugly and people should live in fear; but his bait is stale, and his thinking and writing skills are lame and pedestrian.

Now Flintie, he or she is the French Whore of useless forum stupidity. No doubt he was not only so ugly as a breach birth the Afghani midwife pulling his useless carcass from the cow called his mom slapped her for insulting the world by carrying him for nine months.

We all understand what it's problem is. He's brainless and malicious, with a taste for dating seven year old Black children.

Well to each his or her own. Who am I to criticize one who makes the rest of humanity look so shiny?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   17:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

so, if you're not looking for an excuse to shoot somebody, maybe you're just a plain old adrenaline junky... maybe you should go homesteading in the west bank.

meanwhile, one of the best ways i know of to live in fear is to own flashy shit that other people want... and if you're a materialist with ego problems --- someone who has to define himself by his possessions--- you're in a bind.

as i got older, i got rid of a lot of junk, including a porsche 911, because all that stuff was too much grief, and the only thing i've accumulated since are tools, and those mostly second hand, all of them meaningless as status symbols, but useful.

so you're the one living in fear... why else do you need to pack a gun?

you're afraid someone's gonna try to steal your bike...?

well, maybe... maybe not.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   17:28:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I never have pretended to be Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. I am man enough to not pretend to be perfect, and you are most welcome to your opinions of me. Though it's obvious you have an agenda by focussing just on my alleged failings as a human being.

If you stay and continue to obsess on me, you are in fact merely baiting. If you move on and find more mature and pertinent to the topic things to comment on, you are being a responsible contributor of an interlocutor.

But you knew that, because I have been reading your stuff. You are coy but knowledgable enough so you must have some good intelligence to you.

You may well be someone with whom I have scrapped before in some forum somewhere, who's to say? But I don't worry about that as I jut have to take you as you are in the new account you are in.

It is noted you don't like me; fine, your choice; now let's move on.

And as always, thanks for sharing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06   17:50:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

in other words, you cant defend your position.

you go out of your way to put yourself in situations in which you might have to use your gun.

your status as an elite bicyclist is more important to you than the fear it generates... fear so great, if we're to believe your story, that you had to buy a gun to protect your bicycle.

what is the real reason you're so fearful that you bought a gun?

is there a real threat, or is it just paranoia, or is it something darker? ...especially in view of your refusal to take common sense defensive measures that would make your gun unnecessary?

or is that part of the new world order...? ...elitists will take great pleasure in showing off their wealth to the growing number of poor, and those elitists will make sure the poor understand that resistance is futile, because the elite are armed to the teeth.

sounds good to me.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-06   18:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: groundresonance (#46) (Edited)

I got into guns when I was a paratrooper because I was a good shot; better than average actually, and bored. And anyone who has served in the shithole of Ft. Bragg, N.C. near Fayettenam knows what I say is unfortunately very true.

That was in the late seventies, during Jimmy Carter's presidency, not now.

Fact is though, since I got my first 22 cal bolt action rifle at age 12, guns were something I just took for grsnted as a typical tool to have around.

You assume way too much. You stereotype people like me as hateful of guns, as pro-abortion, and unwilling to scrap. None of the three are true of me.

I also hunt, usually with a compound bow, I love paint ball combat, and I react to someone bigger and stronger than me physically threatening to fight by jumping on them unmercifully and as harshly as I can.

And I've always done that. It's how my nature works.

The bicycle I grew to love when I lived on Cow Hill Road in Clinton. CT. I lived in a boring, underpopulated corner of Clinton that was very boring.

I found that I was not built to be a top track and cross country runner like I would of loved to be, but could compete quite nicely on a bicycle, as a sharp mind was more important then long legs.

Good machines are requisite in racing, and so I got into quality bicycles.

You are amusing in your wrong assumptions. And as I have the satisfaction of knowing I speak the truth, your mistrust of my words means nothing to me and does not affect me in the least.

The best defense of a bicycle is bicycle handling skills and fitness anyway. If you get boxed in and a gang of thugs want to take it, I would give it up and do nothing if I could back away.

I observe a strict continuum of use of force, and am no cowboy with firearms. I'l use if only if my life is in jeopardy too. Must thieves just want to take and than run. No property like a wallet or bike is worth the stickiness of shooting people. I will say though that if I pull out a gun and haved to aim ot it is going to get used. Count on that. And I don't do Badeye nonsense like 'kneecapping.'

Out numbered one is dead if overwhelmed by friends of someone you just waxed. And there is the bio hazard aspect of the thief's blood.

Assume as you wish, but I am very smart, and a survivor. And I work toward survival over the mere preservation of immediate control of my material goods. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-03-06 20:44:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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