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Title: Vatican hit by gay sex scandal
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guardian.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/vatican-gay-sex-scandal
Published: Mar 6, 2010
Author: John Hooper
Post Date: 2010-03-06 09:17:37 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 456
Comments: 23
The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood. The explosive claims about Balducci's private life have caused grave embarrassment to the Vatican, which has yet to publicly comment on the affair. While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts "are intrinsically disordered". The Catechism of the Catholic church states unequivocally: "Under no circumstances can they be approved." Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged. It was during this investigation into corruption that wiretaps revealed his alleged sexual activity. In one conversation, Ehiem tells Balducci: "I saw your call when I was in the Vatican, because I was doing rehearsals … in the choir … in St Peter's." He then suggests Balducci meet a man who he describes is "two metres tall … 97 kilos … aged 33, completely active." Balducci is also a senior adviser to the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, the department that oversees the Roman Catholic church's worldwide missionary activities. Since 1995, he has been a member of one of the world's most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household. In the words of a 1968 ordinance, they are expected to "distinguish themselves for the good of souls and the glory of the name of the Lord". According to a report by the Carabinieri for prosecutors in Florence investigating the corruption scandal, there was a hidden side to Balducci's life. "In order to organise casual encounters of a sexual nature, he availed himself of the intercession of two individuals who, it is maintained, may form part of an organised network, especially active in [Rome], of exploiters or at least facilitators of male prostitution." It named one as Ehiem, a professional chorister born in Nigeria. According to Italian press reports, Ehiem, a member of the choir that sings in St Peters when the pope is not officiating, lost his job on Wednesday after details of the Florence investigation became known to the Vatican. In an interview to be published tomorrow by the news magazine Panorama, Ehiem said he had been introduced to Balducci more than 10 years ago. He claims: "He asked me if I could procure other men for him. He told me he was married and that I had to do it in great secrecy." There were conflicting accounts of how the Vatican might respond. According to one source, there was no provision for the dismissal of a Gentleman of His Holiness. Another said: "We shall wait for the judiciary's definitive verdict." The transcripts imply that over a period of around five months in 2008, Ehiem procured for Balducci at least 10 contacts with, among others, "two black Cuban lads", a former male model from Naples, and a rugby player from Rome. Balducci's lawyer, Franco Coppi, said tonight: "I have no comment. First, because we have more serious questions to tackle. Second, if these claims are correct, they regard his private life. It is disgraceful that these transcripts, which have nothing to do with the case, should have been spread about." In January this year, the Carabinieri recorded an exchange in which Balducci and Ehiem discuss a seminarian, or student for the priesthood. Balducci is said to have asked: "Listen, have you spoken with the seminarian by any chance?" Ehiem says he is "probably at mass or something". On 11 January, Ehiem calls again to recommend "a colleague, a friend" of the seminarian because the latter is unavailable. He says the colleague is "better, taller, a bit taller than you". Later, Ehiem asks: "Can I send [him] around straight away?" He asks where Balducci is. The adviser says: "Up at the seminary … where the cardinal lives." Ehiem replies: "He could get there within half an hour … the time it takes to catch a taxi and get there."
Pope Benedict XVI greets cardinals in the Clementine Hall at the Vatican. Photograph: Max Rossi/AFP/Getty Images
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
I will spare everyone my anti-religion rant, but the first thing that pops in to my mind is that if you DO buy into the whole Jesus and the Apostles thingy, wouldn't "sinful" acts be expected? I mean, even Jesus himself couldn't find good help. He had one Apostle outright betray him and another one that denied him. I'm not saying it's right, but if Jesus was unable to find perfect humans to follow him, I don't know why anyone would expect that one of his churches would be perfect.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Yeah, good observation for this era of 'pants eggs Benedict' where men make bacon together; and praying for others becomes preying on what they see as 'cuties.' The first thing the dopey Pope should do is lift the sex and marriage ban for priests and bishops, then retire.
The first thing the dopey Pope should do is lift the sex and marriage ban for priests and bishops, then retire. I look at all "Christian" leadership, Catholic or otherwise, as Bob Celeste-type frauds preying on those who trust in them.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Of course Jesus couldn't find perfect humans to follow him. There are none. He was (and is) perfect but men are born with a sinful nature.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Amen.
Just curious. Why is it that the MSM celebrates gay sex, but not in the CC?
Why aren't there any sex-scandals with females? Does the priesthood attract gays, or turn them once in?
Good questions. Pedophilia is one thing, but gay sex quite another, given the day and age we live in.
Of course Jesus couldn't find perfect humans to follow him. There are none. He was (and is) perfect but men are born with a sinful nature. That's my point. Many so-called Protestants like to use examples such as this as examples of why the so-called Catholic Church is some sort of "Church of Satan," completely forgetting the fact that their own Bible states that no man is worthy and that all sin. EVERY church, from the leadership down is filled with sinners and EVERY Christian is a sinner who really has no call to point at the sins of others because he is no better.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Does the priesthood attract gays, or turn them once in? Hmmm...Men living alone together in seminaries for four or more years and then living together in their in their little church homes (I forget what they call them)....I'd say they attract them like flies to honey.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
rectories - I think.
Yes, I believe that is the word. Thank you.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Despite my occasional negative comments about queers and their unnatural sexual practices (which despite attempts to sanitize them with various PR tactics remain a perversion of normal sexuality) this is the main reason I oppose putting fags in positions of trust. They are not trustworthy. Homosexuality is a sign of deep seated problems and the personality characteristics of homosexuals are stuck in the band of covert hostility. That band is not exclusive to gays but to be practicing fags they have to be in that band. There are other characteristics that go along with the territory and covert criminality is one of them. So, discrimination, meaning recognition of reality, does not mean one has to hate them for their failings but recognizing what those failings are, and acting appropriately, is simply prudence. I have known too many and seen too many in action to not trust them. I could relate personal experience backing up the conclusion but won't bother at this time as I am sure others have their experience as well. Well, just one - at one base I was at a Bull Dyke was put in charge of the Gym and associated athletic facilities. Within a month she had populated the place exclusively with other Lesbians. The hetero woman who was teaching the aerobics class I attended at noontime was let go and she was replaced with, drum roll please, a dyke. I could, as I said, list other examples, but will leave it there.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
OMG WTF?? This is like finding out that Paul Lynde, Charles Nelson Reilly, and Liberace were gay! Gay Priests? Say it isn't so Benny!
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Yes, I believe that is the word. Thank you. If one had a perverse sense of humor one could reconcile the word with other homonymic relationships.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yes, I believe that is the word. Thank you. If one had a perverse sense of humor one could reconcile the word with other homonymic relationships. Yes, that is humorously ironic isn't it. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Yes. Somewhere in the bowels of the church at the rear of the building lies the rectory. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOLOLOL! Dude, that's just wrong! LOL! And it's almost lunch time too.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Thank you. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Does being a politican also attract gays, or turn them once in?
Politics seems to attract nut-jobs and tools of all stripes.
In the Catholic Church, it might better be called the rectumory.
#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
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Toruk Makto
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Yeah, good observation for this era of 'pants eggs Benedict' where men make bacon together; and praying for others becomes preying on what they see as 'cuties.'
#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
I'm not saying it's right, but if Jesus was unable to find perfect humans to follow him...
Lord Acton
#6. To: Ferret Mike. all (#3)
The first thing the dopey Pope should do is lift the sex and marriage ban for priests and bishops, then retire.
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#8. To: Jethro Tull. all (#7)
#9. To: Lod (#8)
#10. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
I'm not saying it's right, but if Jesus was unable to find perfect humans to follow him...
#11. To: Lod (#8)
Why aren't there any sex-scandals with females?
#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan. all (#11)
Hmmm...Men living alone together in seminaries for four or more years and then living together in their in their little church homes (I forget what they call them)....I'd say they attract them like flies to honey.
#13. To: Lod (#12)
rectories - I think.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Lod (#13)
rectories - I think.
#17. To: Original_Intent (#16)
rectories - I think.
#18. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#17)
Yes, that is humorously ironic isn't it. LOL!
#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Yes. Somewhere in the bowels of the church at the rear of the building lies the rectory. ;-)
#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)
#21. To: Lod (#8)
Does the priesthood attract gays, or turn them once in?
#22. To: LACUMO (#21)
#23. To: Lod (#12)
rectories - I think.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
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