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Title: Census Shenanigans. My title, mikey!
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Some cities want to claim inmates on census

Changing way prisoners counted could shift political power

By Marisa Kwiatkowski - marisa.kwiatkowski@nwi.com, (219) 662-5333 | Posted: Sunday, March 7, 2010 12:05 am

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For years, Gary Mayor Rudy Clay shunned the Steel City's reputation for being a hotbed of crime.

But Clay recently said he'd like to count prison inmates -- who live in jails elsewhere but list Gary as their hometown -- as city residents for purposes of the 2010 census. He intends to ask state lawmakers about passing a bill that counts inmates at their address before incarceration.

Indiana's more than 31,600 state and federal prison inmates currently are counted in the census as residents of the towns where they are incarcerated, not where they reside. But some municipal leaders want to change that, seeking to boost their official population numbers.

Census population counts determine representation in the U.S. House and in allocating more than $400 billion in government funding, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Census figures also are used to draw maps of legislative districts.

"I've always thought that wherever a person is physically located, especially in our institutions, shouldn't matter," Clay, the mayor of the region's largest city, said. "It's in their hometowns that they should be counted."

Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage. One lawmaker noted many inmates will be released in the 10 years leading up to the next census.

"It's obvious how it is bad for Gary, but it's less obvious how it's bad for everybody else," said Peter Wagner, executive director of the Prison Policy Initiative. "Allowing a small number of districts with huge prisons extra representation dilutes the votes of everybody else."

Some legislators may be reluctant to change the way inmates are counted because it would alter their districts and bring in new constituents who may not know or re-elect them, said Adam Cox, a law professor at the University of Chicago Law School who specializes in redistricting issues.

Multiple Indiana legislators, including those who represent districts with prisons, did not return calls seeking comment.

Jim Accurso, media specialist for the U.S. Census Bureau, said in 2006 the agency concluded it would be too expensive to count prisoners by home address after reviewing its policy of counting them by institution.

He said accuracy also could be compromised because some inmates don't have previous addresses or are from other countries.

But the U.S. Census Bureau agreed last month to provide states with prison population counts by May 2011, early enough for most states to decide for themselves whether they want to count prisoners as part of the population for redrawing legislative districts.

At least four states -- Illinois, Florida, Maryland and New York -- are considering legislation that would count inmates based on their previous home addresses for drawing legislative districts, Wagner said. Wisconsin is contemplating a constitutional amendment that would not allow prison populations to be counted for that purpose.

The 2010 census could have serious implications for cash-strapped Gary.

The city's population dropped about 18,500 people between the 2000 census and the 2006-2008 American Community Survey estimates, federal records show.

Counting state prison inmates from Gary would add nearly 700 people to the city's population, Indiana Department of Correction records show. Federal prison statistics were not available.

"We've always been undercounted, and because we've always been undercounted, we've lost money," Clay said. "This year we are going to tenaciously push the census count. We're going to really crank it up and be sure that everybody is counted."

Several Indiana counties, including one in Northwest Indiana, might lose if prisoners no longer are considered part of their population.

LaPorte County is home to two state prisons: Indiana State Prison in Michigan City and Westville Correctional Facility. The two prisons housed a combined 5,513 inmates as of Jan. 1, state records show.

Inmates accounted for about 59.4 percent of Westville's total population in the 2000 census, a town spokeswoman said.

LaPorte County Commissioner Barb Huston, D-LaPorte, said she does not believe inmates should be part of the redistricting equation -- even though it may hurt the area she represents.

"It probably would hurt us," she said. "I just don't think -- if they are incarcerated and they're not going to be allowed to vote for many, many years -- that they would influence the (legislative) districts."

Inmates are not allowed to vote while they are incarcerated. But Indiana allows convicted felons to vote upon release.

Dale Ho, assistant counsel for the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., said the process for counting prisoners is an issue of fairness and racial equality.

Nationally, blacks comprise less than 13 percent of the overall population. But they represent more than 41 percent of federal and state prison populations, he said.

The organization advocates counting prisoners by hometown or, as a second choice, not counting them at all in drawing legislative districts.

Ho said the current method of counting inmates where their prisons are located, usually in rural areas that are predominately Caucasian, artificially inflates the population and, potentially, representation in state government.

"The current method of counting prisoners dilutes the political power of African-American communities in a way that is undemocratic," Ho said. "There's no reason why my vote should count less because I don't live next door to a prison."

NEW MATH: Gary Mayor Rudy Clay wants state lawmakers to consider legislation to count prison inmates in their last hometown, not where they are incarcerated. Counting state prison inmates from Gary would add nearly 700 people to the city's census population.

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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-07   11:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

Inmates are not allowed to vote while they are incarcerated. But Indiana allows convicted felons to vote upon release.

lol.....what do you think the percentage of voting ex-cons in Indiana adds up to? Two percent? Even that might be a tad bit high.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   11:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-07   11:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

Sure they would.

They come out as Good Little Boys.

It's ironic that felons for the most part can never again own firearms, but can still be destructive with their voting.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-03-07   11:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#2)

lol.....what do you think the percentage of voting ex-cons in Indiana adds up to? Two percent? Even that might be a tad bit high.

Well, something like 33% of blacks are either on parole or completed parole, are on probation, or in prison. I bet a substantial number of them are in on a felony.

I bet it's much higher than 2%, because that is not counting other races.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-03-07   11:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#4)

It's ironic that felons for the most part can never again own firearms,

Plenty fo ex-cons own firearms...........they can never LEGALLY own firearms which doesn't keep them gun ownership. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   11:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#5)

bet it's much higher than 2%, because that is not counting other races.

You think it's higher than 2% for a total of ex-cons who actually VOTE when given the opportunity to do so? I bet they didn't vote before doing time and I don't think it will be a priority on the outside, of course I don't have any idea and that's just my opinion. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   11:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#4)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-07   11:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#7)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-07   11:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: abraxas, Eric Stratton, all (#6)

Plenty fo ex-cons own firearms...........they can never LEGALLY own firearms which doesn't keep them gun ownership. : )

That's not quite true.

They can petition to have that right restored in some cases. I know that is true, but I don't know how often that happens. Probably not very.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-03-07   12:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: abraxas (#7)

I bet they voted for King Chimp II. In droves!


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-03-07   12:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#10)

They can petition to have that right restored in some cases. I know that is true, but I don't know how often that happens. Probably not very.

I think you are missing my point. If an ex-con wants a firearm they don't let a little thing like legality stand in their way. They purchase a gun off the street with cash and report it to nobody.

Every day ex-cons are arrested with firearms and I don't think too many of them even tried to have their right restored.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   13:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#11)

I bet they voted for King Chimp II. In droves!

It would be interesting information to know. You might be right.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   13:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas (#12)

I think you are missing my point. If an ex-con wants a firearm they don't let a little thing like legality stand in their way. They purchase a gun off the street with cash and report it to nobody.

Sure.

I was being technical. IIRC you said "never". ;)


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-03-07   13:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#14)

IIRC you said "never". ;)

Good point.......poor word choice, never is such a final term. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   13:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#0)

He intends to ask state lawmakers about passing a bill that counts inmates at their address before incarceration.

Mexico City, Juarez, Monterrey, Nuevo Laredo...

he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2010-03-07   16:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#6)

where is the law written taking away an ex-cons right to keep and bear arms?


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-03-07   22:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: IRTorqued (#17)

where is the law written taking away an ex-cons right to keep and bear arms?

Title 26, U.S.C., Sec. 5861(d), makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to possess certain kinds of firearms which are not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. Laws govern who may own firearms, such as prohibiting felons to carry guns, childrens' access to firearms, recordkeeping, transport, and licensing of those dealing in firearms. Federal law makes it unlawful for any person except a licensed dealer to engage in the business of dealing in firearms. Some states have also adopted dealer regulations.

The following is an example of a state law dealing with possession of firearms by felons:

"Ownership or possession prohibited, when; penalty. (a) No person who is a fugitive from justice shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor. (b) No person who is under indictment for, or has waived indictment for, or has been bound over to the circuit court for, or has been convicted in this State or elsewhere of having committed a felony, or any crime of violence, or an illegal sale of any drug shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.

(c) No person who:

1.Is or has been under treatment or counseling for addiction to, abuse of, or dependence upon any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

2.Has been acquitted of a crime on the grounds of mental disease, disorder, or defect pursuant to section 704-411; or

3.Is or has been diagnosed as having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders as defined by the most current diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association or for treatment for organic brain syndromes;shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the person has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, abuse, dependence, mental disease, disorder, or defect.

(d) No person who is less than twenty-five years old and has been adjudicated by the family court to have committed a felony, two or more crimes of violence, or an illegal sale of any drug shall own, possess or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.

(e) No minor who:

1.Is or has been under treatment for addiction to any dangerous, harmful, or detrimental drug, intoxicating compound as defined in section 712-1240, or intoxicating liquor;

2.Is a fugitive from justice; or

3.Has been determined not to have been responsible for a criminal act or has been committed to any institution on account of a mental disease, disorder, or defect; shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor, unless the minor has been medically documented to be no longer adversely affected by the addiction, mental disease, disorder, or defect.

NOTE: States vary--this is an example of state restriction of 2A rights.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-07   22:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#18)

by what authority were these laws enacted, or is this just so many more instances of governments claiming a power they do not have?


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-03-07   22:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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