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Published: Mar 8, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-03-08 03:34:45 by wudidiz
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#5. To: wudidiz (#0)

Nice looking tree. It looks like time for harvesting.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-03-08   7:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Yep. Trees are renewable resources which can be harvested like any other crop. My best friend and his family used to be in the logging business and I have a lot of respect for the folks who do that. Most are super nice people and the work they do is very hard. Even the big outfits that have really up to date stuff to work with still have to deal with things that require someone to do some hard labor.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   9:35:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach, A K A Stone (#6)

I am not agai8st logging. I am however against not leaving reserves that allow natural forests to exist unmolestd by human beings. The belief system that all things living have a basic right to live their complete lifespan, and to develop into the sort of mix of trees and webs of life they would achieve naturally without human interference is called 'Deep Ecology,' and I am a rock solid proponent of this.

And even where we log, I oppose taking too much, and most definately oppose clear cutting. More them how much capital can be generated by instrimentalizing a living thing into am commodity should be a factor in how our species does business on this planet.

Ferret  posted on  2010-03-08   11:23:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret, James Deffenbach, A K A Stone (#8) (Edited)

I am however against not leaving reserves that allow natural forests to exist unmolestd by human beings.

No such thing sweetie.

And even where we log, I oppose taking too much, and most definately oppose clear cutting.

Clear cutting has its place. It can be used as a positive environmental tool. That's the problem I have with enviros as a whole. They are opposed to things without thought. They base their opposition on emotion rather than science.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-03-08   11:30:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#10)

Not now, but our invader culture came here to what we call the Americas and found such things and trashed them in a criminal and irresponsible manner I find disgusting.

We need to learn from our mistakes and to get our boots off of the throats of the ecosystems we are trashing and destroying.

Nature is forgiving and can recover from what we have done to it. And I profoundly believe tht unless we do so we will crsh and burn as a species because we could not ultimately stop population growth and by natural attrition return to a level of population that is reasonable, and learn how not to be so greedy and materialistic.

Ferret  posted on  2010-03-08   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret (#12)

and learn how not to be so greedy and materialistic.

Yes it would be nice if things could be done for altruistic reasons but what are the odds. So better to go with human nature than to fight it. Elephants are doing better in areas that exploit them. And the exploitation is done for profit.

Same could be done with forest management and is being done by native tribes. Too bad enviros don't get it. Profits give people reasons to give a shit. Why should you care about their motivations as long as it is getting done?

Because enviros continue to harp on motivations rather than results it can only be assumed that the environment is not their true goal but social engineering. Using the environment for social engineering is more disgusting than using the forest for profit. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO LIVE? This puts the lie to their other leftie beliefs about live and let live, everybody inclusive. This only applies to people who live the way the left want.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-03-08   11:49:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: farmfriend (#17)

"WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO LIVE?"

I am someone watching how we as a culture are ripping apart the structure of life causing extinction and soiling our own nest.

Whenever someone's life intrudes in the existance of all life, there is a responsibility to interfer and stop this. It is the moral thing to do, and I know this so deeply to the core of my being I would die deending my belief system. In fact, I as an individual nearly did just that already in July 1998, which gives strong reason never to doubt that.

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