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#31. To: James Deffenbach (#30)
We were indeed the highest bidder. The big was refused based on our desire to buy the sale, and not log it.
That sounds quite insane. The planet doesn't suffer. Do you actually believe that earth, water and rocks have feelings? Get help.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, obviously they wanted to thin out the forest and sell the mature timber. Your buying it and allowing it to become an overgrown mess and full of tinder for the next lightning strike helps no one and kills lots of animals too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. So, you are an advocate of, "lets have a BIG_HUGE_GOVERNMENT" to control these lazy fucking slobs that don't take personal repsonsibilities for themselves or the world around them, 'eh? Yes. Yes.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
No. In that particular sale, they wanted clear cuts with a few 'leave' trees. My point was that one can certainly try to use money to buy back what Babylon has stolen, but if it does not fit into their paradigm, they won't necessarily go along with it. As I am sure that regardless of what the Nature Conservancy has squirreled away, if the system wants to steal it back, they most certainly will.
Anyone who has ever read as many as five of my posts should know that I actually HATE big government with a blinding passion. As for the rest of your post I think you are pulling my leg. I don't believe for one minute that you are starving or thirsting to death. Especially not the latter.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, perhaps the answer would be for you and your like minded associates to come up with the money to buy the property BEFORE there is any talk of cutting a tree on it. I think y'all should work 22 hours a day or more on that project. Don't be a slacker, give till it hurts.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And even where we log, I oppose taking too much, and most definately oppose clear cutting. More them how much capital can be generated by instrimentalizing a living thing into am commodity should be a factor in how our species does business on this planet. As a Conservationist we are not as far apart on this one as we may be on other issues. While I do not harbor a burning hatred for them the companies that irresponsibly, sanctioned by government, clear cut and destroy large sections of forest for private gain are, in my opinion, beyond despicable. I don't have any links handy but I recall ten or fifteen years ago looking at Landsat Photos of Mt. Hood. It had been more denuded than the Amazon Rain Forest. The logging companies, and their accomplices at the Forest Service, have gotten smart about it though. Since most people don't drive off the highway they are leaving an uncut band next to the highway and then decimating the forest beyond the view of the traveling public. As well monoculture forests are not healthy forests. If the logging companies had their way all that would be planted are varieties they can harvest and sell. Whereas a healthy natural forest will have a diversity of trees, shrubbery, and the wildlife that depends on them. Thankfully we do have some other interests who are finding that former forest management practices are goring their Ox i.e., Commercial Salmon Fisherman. Sport Fisherman, and Hunters. Denuded Stream Banks and tributaries increased Salmon Fry mortality to a level that resulted in that resource not replenishing at its former rate, and the stocks of the beautiful High Desert Red Band Trout were depleted to near extinction in some streams. To some they look at a forest and see only dollar signs. I see beauty and the wonder of the natural world. An old growth forest in its natural state is a bountiful system benefiting both man and animal.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Approximately one million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland. [4] The proximate cause of famine was a potato disease commonly known as potato blight. In the forty years that followed the union, successive British governments grappled with the problems of governing a country which had, as Benjamin Disraeli put it in 1844, "a starving population, an absentee aristocracy, and an alien Church, and in addition the weakest executive in the world."[11] One historian calculated that between 1801 and 1845, there had been 114 commissions and 61 special committees inquiring into the state of Ireland and that "without exception their findings prophesied disaster; Ireland was on the verge of starvation, her population rapidly increasing, three-quarters of her labourers unemployed, housing conditions appalling and the standard of living unbelievably low." The potato was introduced to Ireland as a garden crop of the gentry. By the late seventeenth century it had become widespread as a supplementary rather than a principal food, as the main diet still revolved around butter, milk and grain products. In the first two decades of the eighteenth century, however, it became a base food of the poor, especially in winter.[23] The expansion of the economy between 1760 and 1815 saw the potato make inroads in the diet of the people and become a staple food all the year round for the cottier and small farm class. In 1847, midway through the Great Irish Famine (1845–1849), a group of American Indian Choctaws collected $710 (although many articles say the original amount was $170 after a misprint in Angie Debo's The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic) and sent it to help starving Irish men, women and children. "It had been just 16 years since the Choctaw people had experienced the Trail of Tears, and they had faced starvation... It was an amazing gesture." Great Famine (Ireland) wikipedia think it cant happen here, once we dont have enough oil to plow, plant, fertilize, control pests, harvest and ship our crops, which are monocultures (after all, you're obligated to grow the most profitable species) especially susceptible to blights because of their genetic sameness?
Dude, the title to public land is not for sale. If you want it, you have to raise money and consensus to change the law to put it on sale, then you have to competre on the open market for it. Hence, forget about it. The cost to benefit ratio is not workable.
And you have my blessing. Please DO use contraceptives. We will all be thankful.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Seems kinda useless and pointless to worry about it then.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Who said I was? Earlier, you separately asked if I was denied one bite of food or clean water. And I have been denied. And it is because of over-population. And you have been denied too but won't admit it.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
LOL! Yes indeed. Please don't reproduce buck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No, I haven't been denied either food or water. And I doubt very much you have unless you were denying yourself water because you thought it would "rust your pipes" and prefer bountiful quantities of liquor instead. Which often seems to be the case.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. yes. ...and we've all got to keep in the back of our heads: James Deffenbach believes jesus is gonna come swooping down out of the clouds and save our miserable asses... or at least the asses of those of us who believe in the "right" christian fairy tales. all those good christian irish people must have starved because they believed in the wrong brand of god, huh, James?
Yes, you have. Everyone has because of human over population. Do you want me to s-p-e-l-l it out for you?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I told you that I have not been denied either one. Can you not comprehend simple English? So far in my life I have been blessed and have never suffered hunger except that which I chose. And I have never been denied clean water.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. As human population encroaches into your idealist dream, you pay taxes for further methods by government to control the quality of food and water you enjoy, unabashedly. Those taxes and quality control methods to control your food and water could have been placed elsewhere within your humble existence; that is unless you live in a cave. With increased population growth comes the profiting HUGE_FOOD_INDUSTRIAL_COMPLEX that take away individual agrarian rights by driving up property taxes. Those same taxes cause you to move or become displaced from the land.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
That is one freaking beautiful tree. It'd take all day to climb the sucker - and wear spikes.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I missed this fine post a bit earlier. You nailed the perspective with the Great Irish Potato famine in the 1800s. Ireland has still to recover.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
How many times does it take to get it through your head? I HAVE NOT been denied food or water. To the degree that some populations have it is almost always because of the policies of their government(s). Sure, I feel for people who are hungry and who don't have good water. But I don't feel guilty about it because I didn't cause it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. To paraphrase, you mean, "I THINK I HAVE NOT been denied food or water." Let me attempt to show the issue a bit more clearly...... Hope that above summation helps you more ably to understand the issues you seem to ignore.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
BS! Don't tell me what I think or don't think. I KNOW that I have never gone hungry other than by my own choice. That's a fact whether you want to believe it or not. And I have NEVER been denied water when I was thirsty. That time may come but hasn't yet. Now don't you need to be calling your buddy, Al Gore, and whine to him about how not many people are paying any attention to you and him about globull warming these days?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now. And beyond your denial of the truth about loss of water and food ..... while standing in the long lines to be checked-out, I wager you had to pee ..... and you couldn't because you would lose your place in line. OUCH!
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Just how much would you like to bet on that? How much can you afford to lose?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And, say, that you "live off the fat of the land", the EPA is checking the way you grow your crops and water table, ready to cite you because you are abusive to nearby neighbors. I am afraid, you lose the argument no matter where I see you swing on the pendulum of the topic concerning human over-population.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
No, now you are talking bs again. How about the wager you wanted to make? How much can you stand to lose?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Does the wager really mean some significant amount of money? If so, you shall have to categorically PROVE, ownership of property which just may be a rental agreement. And you never go to any store standing in line. More to go as you push some inconsequential point. You must have blown a blood vessel over my post. (note to self: be kind to James .... he is a quiet man never standing in a store buying water or food)
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
akin to muslims who recruit suicide bombers, they espouse actions that they have no inkling of putting feet to themselves.
bucky some one should put you in a paper bag put said paper bag on a porch set said paper bag alight then ring the door bell and run. like the paper bag you are full of crap while at the same time you are the turds.
Be extra careful near this tree, I can clearly see the head of a pterodactyl about six big branches below the top.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
ROTFL ... not many get time like that. I must be honored somehow.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I'll sell you a share in the Hoosiers Gone Wild video for $600,000 plus shipping and handling. I'll throw in a badly forged press pass and a really cheap camera.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Nah, that is a Mountain Banshee or a Ikran as the Na'vi call it. If it gives me a problem I'll play Jake Sully and form a neural bond with it and keep it as a pet. Of course that is only if I encounter it while in my Na'vi avtar. ;l-D
Whats your passport number, driver's license number and card carrying memberships; political, professional and lamer?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
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“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Actually, there is a solution to this problem. Just recon out the nearest Mormon family with a two year food supply, off the suckers and load up the Hummer you hijacked earlier from the soft bodied rich yuppie you also recon out, and take it to your hide you prepared in advance in case of a society busting disaster. Why pay for shit if the system is going to cave in?
Hell with that, upon further examination that prehistoric predator must weigh like 600 pounds, I'd be ordering applewood
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
HEH! I just found out that you fell off the FBI's most wanted list.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Yeah, Queen Jane quit coming around to see me, taking her sunbeam colored clay, that hurt the most.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
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#32. To: Ferret (#28)
People such as me believe a reduction of birthrate and the normal attrition through mortality is quite sufficient to control the human cancer the planet suffers from, to draw an analogy to a disease you are sure to hate, but is accurate.
Lord Acton
#33. To: Ferret (#31)
Lord Acton
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#29)
And maybe you should stop worrying about what other people do or don't do.
Has any of this overpopulation you are always yammering about taken one bite of food off your table?
Ever caused you to not be able to get clean drinking water and/or all the liquor you could hold?
#35. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
#36. To: buckeroo (#34)
Lord Acton
#37. To: Ferret (#35)
Lord Acton
#38. To: Ferret, A K A Stone (#8)
I am not agai8st logging. I am however against not leaving reserves that allow natural forests to exist unmolestd by human beings. The belief system that all things living have a basic right to live their complete lifespan, and to develop into the sort of mix of trees and webs of life they would achieve naturally without human interference is called 'Deep Ecology,' and I am a rock solid proponent of this.
#39. To: James Deffenbach (#29)
taken one bite of food off your table?
The Great Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór, IPA: [Ynà ÈaT~àtàY ÈmàoÐ~à], the Great Hunger[1]; an Drochshaol, [Ynà Èdà~TxÌhiÐlà], the Bad Life) was a period of mass starvation, disease and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1852[2] during which the island's population dropped by 20 to 25 percent.[3]
#40. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
#41. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#24)
Unlike the 6.7BN people on this planet fucking all day and night creating an ever increasing birth rate straining the planet about any of our social/cultural and environmental systems, some of us use contraceptives because we know there is a choice.
#42. To: Ferret (#40)
Hence, forget about it. The cost to benefit ratio is not workable.
Lord Acton
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#36)
I don't believe for one minute that you are starving or thirsting to death.
#44. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#41)
Lord Acton
#45. To: buckeroo (#43)
Lord Acton
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#42)
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useless and pointless to worry about it then.
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
No, I haven't been denied either food or water.
#48. To: buckeroo (#47)
Lord Acton
#49. To: James Deffenbach (#48)
#50. To: wudidiz (#0)
#51. To: groundresonance (#46)
all those good christian irish people must have starved because they believed in the wrong brand of god, huh, James?
#52. To: buckeroo (#49)
Lord Acton
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
I HAVE NOT been denied food or water
With an expanding population base: more government. With more government: more controls. With more controls: more taxes. With more taxes: less freedom. With less freedom: less property. With less property: less water and food.
#54. To: buckeroo (#53)
Lord Acton
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#54)
#56. To: buckeroo (#55)
You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now.
Lord Acton
#57. To: James Deffenbach (#56)
#58. To: buckeroo (#57)
Lord Acton
#59. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#58)
#60. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
None of the people who are always the loudest about "overpopulation" seem to be willing to do their part to decrease it.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#61. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#34)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#62. To: wudidiz, Ferret Mike (#0)
#63. To: IRTorqued (#61)
...some one should put you in a paper bag put said paper bag on a porch set said paper bag alight then ring the door bell and run. like the paper bag you are full of crap while at the same time you are the turds.
#64. To: buckeroo, esso (#63)
ROTFL ... not many get time like that. I must be honored somehow.
#65. To: Dakmar (#62)
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"Be extra careful near this tree, I can clearly see the head of a pterodactyl about six big branches below the top."
#66. To: Dakmar (#64)
#67. To: buckeroo (#66)
#68. To: buckeroo (#55)
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"You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now."
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#70. To: Dakmar (#67)
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