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#43. To: James Deffenbach (#36)

I don't believe for one minute that you are starving or thirsting to death.

Who said I was? Earlier, you separately asked if I was denied one bite of food or clean water. And I have been denied. And it is because of over-population. And you have been denied too but won't admit it.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   16:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#41)

LOL! Yes indeed. Please don't reproduce buck.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   16:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#43)

No, I haven't been denied either food or water. And I doubt very much you have unless you were denying yourself water because you thought it would "rust your pipes" and prefer bountiful quantities of liquor instead. Which often seems to be the case.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   16:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: James Deffenbach (#42) (Edited)

useless and pointless to worry about it then.

yes.

...and we've all got to keep in the back of our heads: James Deffenbach believes jesus is gonna come swooping down out of the clouds and save our miserable asses... or at least the asses of those of us who believe in the "right" christian fairy tales.

all those good christian irish people must have starved because they believed in the wrong brand of god, huh, James?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-08   16:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: James Deffenbach (#45)

No, I haven't been denied either food or water.

Yes, you have. Everyone has because of human over population. Do you want me to s-p-e-l-l it out for you?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   17:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#47)

I told you that I have not been denied either one. Can you not comprehend simple English? So far in my life I have been blessed and have never suffered hunger except that which I chose. And I have never been denied clean water.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   17:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: James Deffenbach (#48)

As human population encroaches into your idealist dream, you pay taxes for further methods by government to control the quality of food and water you enjoy, unabashedly. Those taxes and quality control methods to control your food and water could have been placed elsewhere within your humble existence; that is unless you live in a cave.

With increased population growth comes the profiting HUGE_FOOD_INDUSTRIAL_COMPLEX that take away individual agrarian rights by driving up property taxes. Those same taxes cause you to move or become displaced from the land.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   17:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: wudidiz (#0)

That is one freaking beautiful tree. It'd take all day to climb the sucker - and wear spikes.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-08   17:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: groundresonance (#46)

all those good christian irish people must have starved because they believed in the wrong brand of god, huh, James?

I missed this fine post a bit earlier. You nailed the perspective with the Great Irish Potato famine in the 1800s. Ireland has still to recover.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   17:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#49)

How many times does it take to get it through your head? I HAVE NOT been denied food or water. To the degree that some populations have it is almost always because of the policies of their government(s). Sure, I feel for people who are hungry and who don't have good water. But I don't feel guilty about it because I didn't cause it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   17:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: James Deffenbach (#52)

I HAVE NOT been denied food or water

To paraphrase, you mean, "I THINK I HAVE NOT been denied food or water." Let me attempt to show the issue a bit more clearly......

With an expanding population base: more government. With more government: more controls. With more controls: more taxes. With more taxes: less freedom. With less freedom: less property. With less property: less water and food.

Hope that above summation helps you more ably to understand the issues you seem to ignore.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   18:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#53)

BS! Don't tell me what I think or don't think. I KNOW that I have never gone hungry other than by my own choice. That's a fact whether you want to believe it or not. And I have NEVER been denied water when I was thirsty. That time may come but hasn't yet. Now don't you need to be calling your buddy, Al Gore, and whine to him about how not many people are paying any attention to you and him about globull warming these days?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   18:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: James Deffenbach (#54)

You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now.

And beyond your denial of the truth about loss of water and food ..... while standing in the long lines to be checked-out, I wager you had to pee ..... and you couldn't because you would lose your place in line. OUCH!

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   18:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeroo (#55)

You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now.

Just how much would you like to bet on that? How much can you afford to lose?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   18:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: James Deffenbach (#56)

And, say, that you "live off the fat of the land", the EPA is checking the way you grow your crops and water table, ready to cite you because you are abusive to nearby neighbors.

I am afraid, you lose the argument no matter where I see you swing on the pendulum of the topic concerning human over-population.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   18:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#57)

No, now you are talking bs again. How about the wager you wanted to make? How much can you stand to lose?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   18:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#58)

Does the wager really mean some significant amount of money? If so, you shall have to categorically PROVE, ownership of property which just may be a rental agreement. And you never go to any store standing in line.

More to go as you push some inconsequential point. You must have blown a blood vessel over my post.

(note to self: be kind to James .... he is a quiet man never standing in a store buying water or food)

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   18:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: James Deffenbach (#21)

None of the people who are always the loudest about "overpopulation" seem to be willing to do their part to decrease it.

akin to muslims who recruit suicide bombers, they espouse actions that they have no inkling of putting feet to themselves.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-03-08   18:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#34)

bucky some one should put you in a paper bag put said paper bag on a porch set said paper bag alight then ring the door bell and run. like the paper bag you are full of crap while at the same time you are the turds.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-03-08   19:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: wudidiz, Ferret Mike (#0)

Be extra careful near this tree, I can clearly see the head of a pterodactyl about six big branches below the top.

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   19:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: IRTorqued (#61)

...some one should put you in a paper bag put said paper bag on a porch set said paper bag alight then ring the door bell and run. like the paper bag you are full of crap while at the same time you are the turds.

ROTFL ... not many get time like that. I must be honored somehow.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   19:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeroo, esso (#63)

ROTFL ... not many get time like that. I must be honored somehow.

I'll sell you a share in the Hoosiers Gone Wild video for $600,000 plus shipping and handling. I'll throw in a badly forged press pass and a really cheap camera.

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   19:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dakmar (#62) (Edited)

"Be extra careful near this tree, I can clearly see the head of a pterodactyl about six big branches below the top."

Nah, that is a Mountain Banshee or a Ikran as the Na'vi call it. If it gives me a problem I'll play Jake Sully and form a neural bond with it and keep it as a pet.

Of course that is only if I encounter it while in my Na'vi avtar. ;l-D

Ferret  posted on  2010-03-08   19:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Dakmar (#64)

Whats your passport number, driver's license number and card carrying memberships; political, professional and lamer?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   19:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#66)

42

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   19:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#55) (Edited)

"You just don't realize that you have gone without water or food for anytime. But, I wager you stand in the long lines at COSCO or WALMART or any SUPERMARKET buying your bottled purified water and pre-packaged foods, now."

Actually, there is a solution to this problem. Just recon out the nearest Mormon family with a two year food supply, off the suckers and load up the Hummer you hijacked earlier from the soft bodied rich yuppie you also recon out, and take it to your hide you prepared in advance in case of a society busting disaster.

Why pay for shit if the system is going to cave in?

Ferret  posted on  2010-03-08   19:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret (#65)

Hell with that, upon further examination that prehistoric predator must weigh like 600 pounds, I'd be ordering applewood

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   19:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Dakmar (#67)

42

HEH! I just found out that you fell off the FBI's most wanted list.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   19:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#70)

Yeah, Queen Jane quit coming around to see me, taking her sunbeam colored clay, that hurt the most.

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   19:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Dakmar (#71)

Was it moist?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-08   20:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: buckeroo, Ambulamps (#72)

And fishermen hold flowers
Between the windows of the sea

Where lovely mermaids flow
And nobody has to think too much
About Desolation Row

And the only sound that’s left
After the ambulances go
Is Cinderella sweeping up
On Desolation Row

Now the moon is almost hidden
The stars are beginning to hide

The fortune-telling lady
Has even taken all her things inside
All except for Cain and Abel
And the hunchback of Notre Dame
Everybody is making love
Or else expecting rain
And the Good Samaritan, he’s dressing
He’s getting ready for the show
He’s going to the carnival tonight

On Desolation Row

Peace bucky!

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   20:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: IRTorqued (#60)

akin to muslims who recruit suicide bombers, they espouse actions that they have no inkling of putting feet to themselves.

Indeed. When you can talk some mental midget into doing something that will literally get them killed in your place and you place no value on any life but your own, as the ones pushing the suicide bombers, of course you will take out the mental midget and maybe some "infidels" along with him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   20:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: IRTorqued, buckeroo (#61)

bucky some one should put you in a paper bag put said paper bag on a porch set said paper bag alight then ring the door bell and run. like the paper bag you are full of crap while at the same time you are the turds.

Poor ol' buck, he just can't help it. He "ain't right" you know. He keeps insisting that I have been shorted on food and water and I keep telling him that it just ain't so. And he knows nothing about me or my circumstances but seems to think he knows everything. Pitiful, just pitiful.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   20:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Dakmar (#67)

42

LOL! You must have been the beneficiary of one of the first passports.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   20:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, all (#50)

It's some tree, that's for sure. Personally, I think they should save them. It takes too long to grow them back.

There's a nice bunch of them up here...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacMillan_Provincial_Park

I know what you mean about the clear cutting, I saw it from the plane. I remember seeing it about 20 years ago from the plane and then last year I saw it again when I flew over the Rockies...

picture

picture 2

picture 3

Honestly, I had no intention of this thread being a discussion about clearcutting or logging, I just thought it was a cool picture.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-08   20:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Dakmar (#73)

You asked for it :P

One of my favorites from a man who I consider a truly great poet.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-03-08   20:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   20:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: James Deffenbach (#79)

I was just thinking of how that's my favorite Dylan song and if I should post it or not!


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-08   20:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Ferret (#18)

In fact, I as an individual nearly did just that already in July 1998, which gives strong reason never to doubt that.

Yes I am aware of that.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-03-08   20:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

sweet jane...!!!

lalalala

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-03-08   20:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: wudidiz (#80)

I was just thinking of how that's my favorite Dylan song and if I should post it or not!

GMTA and all that. >(;^{)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-08   20:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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