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Title: Humans Inhabited Earth for Millions of Years - Masons Try to Suppress Evidence
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URL Source: http://www.henrymakow.com/forbidden_archeology.html
Published: Mar 11, 2010
Author: Henry Makow
Post Date: 2010-03-11 16:34:31 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Forbidden, Archaeology, Darwin, Fraud
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Humans Inhabited Earth for Millions of Years Masons Try to Suppress Evidence "Anatomically modern humans have been present on the Earth not just for 100,000 years or less (the orthodox version), but for millions of years, and that metal objects of advanced design have been in use at equally early periods." by Cornelius B (for henrymakow.com) The model of human prehistory built-up by scholars over the past two centuries is sadly and completely wrong, and a deliberate tool of disinformation and mind control. This is the thesis of the essay, "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo and Richard L. Thompson (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_forbiddenarcheology.htm) The authors begin with the assumption that archeologists are fundamentally of good faith. Nevertheless, little by little, they demonstrate a systematic destruction of proofs that show another reality than that the official story. Falsifications and even destruction of such proofs has been common for more than two hundred years. In their first essay "The Hidden History of the Human Race", Cremo and Thompson push back our horizons not just thousand years, but millions of years into the past, and show that almost everything we have been taught to believe about the origins and evolution of our species rests on a highly selective sampling of research. The two authors then set the record straight by showing all the other research results that have been edited out, not because there was anything wrong about them, but simply because "they did not fit with prevailing academic opinion." Anomalous and out-of-place discoveries reported by Cremo and Thompson in "The Hidden History of the Human Race" include convincing evidence that anatomically modern humans have been present on the Earth not just for 100,000 years or less (the orthodox version), but for millions of years, and that metal objects of advanced design have been in use at equally early periods. SCIENTIFIC CENSORSHIP The authors describe an ongoing social process of knowledge filtration that at first sight appears quite innocuous, but has a substantial cumulative effect. Certain categories of evidence simply disappear from view. This pattern of data suppression has been going on for a long time. For instance, in 1880, J. D. Whitney, the state geologist of California, published a lengthy review of advanced stone tools found in California gold mines. The implements, including spear points and stone mortars and pestles, were found deep in mine shafts, underneath thick, undisturbed layers of lava, in formations ranging from 9 million to over 55 million years old. W. H. Holmes of the Smithsonian Institution, one of the most vocal critics of these California finds, wrote: "Perhaps if Professor Whitney had fully appreciated the story of human evolution as it is understood today, he would have hesitated to announce the conclusions formulated (that humans existed in very ancient times in North America), notwithstanding the imposing array of testimony with which he was confronted." In other words, if the facts do not agree with the favored theory, then such facts, even an imposing array of them, must be discarded. I shall give here some examples of these discarded paleo-archaeological elements: In a report delivered to the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1881, H. Slopes, F.G.S. (Fellow of the Geological Society), described a shell, the surface of which bore a carving of a crude but unmistakably human face. The carved shell was found in the stratified deposits of the Red Crag, which is between 2.0 and 2.5 million years old. One should keep in mind that in terms of conventional paleontological opinion, one does not encounter such works of art until the time of fully modern Cro-Magnon man in the Late Pleistocene, about 30,000 years ago. On August 2, 1890, J. H. Neale signed the following statement about discoveries made by him: "In 1877 Mr. J. H. Neale was superintendent of the Montezuma Tunnel Company, and ran the Montezuma tunnel into the gravel underlying the lava of Table Mountain, Tuolumne County. . . . At a distance of between 1400 and 1500 feet from the mouth of the tunnel, or of between 200 and 300 feet beyond the edge of the solid lava, Mr. Neale saw several spear-heads, of some dark rock and nearly one foot in length. On exploring further, he himself found a small mortar three or four inches in diameter and of irregular shape. This was discovered within a foot or two of the spear-heads. He then found a large well formed pestle, now the property of Dr. R. I. Bromley, and near by a large and very regular mortar, also at present the property of Dr. Bromley." Neale's affidavit continued: "All of these relics were found. . . . close to the bed-rock, perhaps within a foot of it. Mr. Neale declares that it is utterly impossible that these relics can have reached the position in which they were found excepting at the time the gravel was deposited, and before the lava cap formed. There was not the slightest trace of any disturbance of the mass or of any natural fissure into it by which access could have been obtained either there or in the neighborhood." The position of the artifacts in gravel close to the bedrock at Tuolumne Table Mountain indicates they were 33-55 million years old. In 1844, Sir David Brewster reported that a nail had been discovered firmly embedded in a block of sandstone from the Kingoodie (Mylnfield) Quarry in Scotland. Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey wrote to the authors in 1985 that this sandstone is of "Lower Old Red Sandstone age" (Devonian, between 360 and 408 million years old). Brewster was a famous Scottish physicist. He was a founder of the British Association for the Advancement of Science and made important discoveries in the field of optics. In his report to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Brewster stated: "The stone in Kingoodie quarry consists of alternate layers of hard stone and a soft clayey substance called 'till'; the courses of stone vary from six inches to upwards of six feet in thickness. The particular block in which the nail was found, was nine inches thick, and in proceeding to clear the rough block for dressing, the point of the nail was found projecting about half an inch (quite eaten with rust) into the 'till,' the rest of the nail lying along the surface of the stone to within an inch of the head, which went right down into the body of the stone." The fact that the head of the nail was buried in the sandstone block would seem to rule out the possibility the nail had been pounded into the block after it was quarried. On June 22, 1844, this curious report appeared in the London Times: "A few days ago, as some workmen were employed in quarrying a rock close to the Tweed about a quarter of a mile below Rutherford-mill, a gold thread was discovered embedded in the stone at a depth of eight feet." Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey wrote to the authors in 1985 that this stone is of Early Carboniferous age (between 320 and 360 million years old). (Ed. Note: Cornelius B cites many more examples which I excised in the interest of brevity.) DISINFORMATION AND MIND CONTROL "Forbidden Archeology" was first released in 1993 and quickly became an underground classic. Today it is a bestseller, with foreign editions in over a dozen languages, presenting both accepted and anomalous scientific evidence defying the traditional view of human evolution. This is a fascinating intellectual excavation of a vast store of hidden knowledge. I'll let you judge their proofs sustaining the human evolution. What is the purpose behind this disinformation if not mind control, and therefore social engineering? Science is a method that anyone can learn and apply. In a free and open society, science has to be a democratic process. Instead, we observe a behavior similar to the totalitarian attitude of the ancient priesthood clique in Egypt. To better illustrate this affirmation, I present the case of a science journalist, Richard Milton, initially an ardent believer in Darwinian doctrine until his investigative instincts kicked in one day. After 20 years of studying and writing about evolution, he suddenly realized that there were many disconcerting elements in the theory. He decided to put every main classic proof of Darwinism to the test. The results were hard to believe -- he found that the theory could not even stand up to the rigors of routine investigative journalism. Next, he published a book titled "The Facts of Life: Shattering the Myths of Darwinism". Milton says: "I experienced the witch-hunting activity of the Darwinist police at first hand - it was deeply disappointing to find myself being described by a prominent Oxford zoologist, Richard Dawkins, as "loony", "stupid" and "in need of psychiatric help" in response to purely scientific reporting." Does this sound like stories that came out of the Soviet Union 25 years ago when dissident scientists there started speaking out? Without a doubt Dawkins is part of the "secret societies brotherhood" invested with high power. Richard Dawkins has been appointed to the position of Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. This advocate of aetheism is a classic "Brain Police" storm-trooper, patrolling the neurological front lines. According to Milton, the process came to a head when the London Times Higher Education Supplement commissioned him to write a critique of Darwinism. The publication foreshadowed his coming piece: "Next Week: Darwinism - Richard Milton goes on the attack". Dawkins caught wind of this and wasted no time in nipping this heresy in the bud. He contacted the editor, Auriol Stevens, and accused Milton of being a "creationist", and prevailed upon Stevens to pull the plug on the article. Milton learned of this behind-the-scenes backstabbing and wrote a letter of appeal to Stevens. In the end, she caved in to Dawkins and scratched the piece. DARWINISM AS MIND CONTROL The Western scientific establishment and mass media pride themselves on being open public forums devoid of prejudice or censorship. However, no television program examining the flaws and weaknesses of Darwinism has ever been aired in Darwin's home country or in America. A scientist who opposes the theory cannot get a paper published. Darwin's theory of evolution is the only theory routinely taught in our public school system that has never been subjected to rigorous scrutiny; nor have any of the criticisms been allowed into the curriculum. This is an interesting fact, because a recent poll showed that "71% of the American public say biology teachers should teach both Darwinism and scientific evidence against Darwinian theory." Nevertheless, there are no plans to implement this balanced approach. Then there is the high-profile case of Dr Virginia Steen-McIntyre, a geologist working for the US Geological Survey (USGS), who was dispatched to an archaeological site in Mexico to date a group of artifacts in the 1970s. This travesty also illustrates how far the « brothers scientists" will go to guard orthodox tenets. McIntyre used state-of-the-art equipment and backed up her results by using four different methods, but her results were off the chart. The lead archaeologist expected a date of 25,000 years or less, and the geologist's finding was 250,000 years or more. The figure of 25,000 years or less was critical to the Bering Strait "crossing" theory, and it was the motivation behind the head archaeologist's tossing Steen-McIntyre's results in the circular file and asking for a new series of dating tests. This sort of reaction does not occur when dates match the expected chronological model that supports accepted theories. Steen-McIntyre was given a chance to retract her conclusions, but because this woman was intellectually honest, she refused. She found it hard thereafter to get her papers published and she lost a teaching job at an American university. CONCLUSION Thus, as we may conclude from the information provided here, Darwinism, the theory of the survival of the fittest and its twin sister, the theory of human evolution, together with the official version of the Paleontology and Archaeology such as they are practiced, are pseudo-sciences. In fact, they are tools for mind control of the masses. Their main purpose is to cut off the roots of the true history of humanity, and promote a naturalistic and mechanistic view of life as "survival of the fittest." They promote atheism as a means of destroying Christian civilization. We find the same hate of God and of Christianity in Marxism and Freudianism. A very interesting read is the book of Richard Wurmbrand "Marx & Satan" where we discover that Marx was a Satanist priest with a deep hate of God and desire for the ruin and annihilation of the human society. How can we explain this deep hated nourished in the hearts of these men? Was it satanic possession? I will close with this fact -- at the funerals of Karl Marx, in his speech Frederich Engels compared Marx to Darwin as titans of the human mind, and this suggests the high probability that Darwin was Karl Marx's "Luciferian brother".
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_________________________________________________________________________ This is something I have commented on repeatedly over the years, and I am glad to see someone else make the connection. The key point here goes back to James Burke's comment in his historical documentary "The Day The Universe Changed" (While the video is unavailable the book by the same title, also by James Burke, is if only in used condition. I highly highly reccomend it.): My point being that when you control what people "know" you control what they - and how will react. Examples: Two radically different viewpoints and depending up which you believe it controls what you see and how you will react. If you take 911 Was an Inside Job as true then you will not consider the mass slaughter of Afghanis and Iraqis as anything more than a criminal travesty, deception, and War Crime. If you believe that 911 was committed by "19Arabswhohateuscuzwe'refree" then you will reach a different set of conclusions. If you believe the Darwinistic/Materialist view that we all arose from a chance combination of chemical slime in the primordial pit then that leads to a certain worldview and set of conclusions. For example, that mankind is a recent development, your ancestors arose from apes by a slow gradual process of adaptation and mutation, and that man is animal no different than any other animal except in intelligence. You can reach social conclusions as well - that freedom is irrelevant, that man does not have a right to his own free thought (after all he's just an animal), and that humanity on earth is such a fluke occurrence that life elsewhere is unlikely. From that set of views, which is the controlled world view, anything which contradicts it must be discredited or suppressed. Thus the attacks on religion - since the belief that man is fundamentally a spiritual being in a human body, but is an entity existing before and after the body and independent of it conflicts directly with the materialist "man is an animal and you can do anything you want to animals". Thus the inconvenient discovery of intelligently made artifacts on Mars is at direct variance with the control paradigm and must be discredited and suppressed. Ditto UFO's as extraterrestrial craft. Ditto anything which contradicts the "man is mud" control paradigm. When people begin asking questions, and looking up from their task, they begin expanding, coming to understand their world, and themselves, better and are much less tractable. Oh, and you can track all racist views back to materialism as racism of any kind is founded upon the "man is meat" not "man is a spiritual being" view of existence. If for just one moment you consider that "Man" is a spiritual being, and is not his body, then the racist point of view becomes not only illogical but absolutely ludicrous.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Should my container give up my ghost before your's does, I certainly expect you to sprinkle my ashes over the ACLU HQ...
OK. Personally I want mine sprinkled over a flower garden.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, on second thought I want most of mine put into Bill Gates' smoothie...
Exactly. Kennewick Man fits nowhere in the established academic theories. Therefore there is a loud and thundering silence regarding him. For those not familiar with the controversy "Kennewick Man" (Named after Kennewick Washington) is the mortal remains of a man who died approximately 10,000 years ago in Eastern Washington State. The problem being is that according to the standard "Party Line" on how North America came to be inhabited it does not include White Caucasians until, at earliest, about the 8th Century if the voyages of St. Brendan are credited as true (of course there is other evidence such as the discovery of Nordic Runes in the midwest, as well as Roman Coins). Otherwise all inhabitants of North America are theorized to have come across from Siberia, thus being Mongols, about 13,000 B.C. - with a few wild eyed types saying maybe "as much as 26,000 years ago". So, Kennewick Man is a big fly in the ointment. It is like one of Imus's "what doesn't fit and why" jokes. There is a lot of other evidence which throws that chronology into disrepute as well. For example the artifacts found in California mines which date to millions of years B.C. (but which Mainstream Academic Archaeolgy denies - saying that they are either frauds or got into the ancient strata by earth movements - not that they have anything to back that up other than to shout and call anyone who disagrees a "kook"). The current paradigm as to the antiquity of "Man" has become not science but dogma. And the establishment will not allow it to be questioned. Those who do find their funding disappearing and/or, like Dr. Virginia Steen-McIntyre, driven completely out of the field. Her crime? She was called in to date artifacts found at a site outside of Mexico City. Using standard dating tests and methods the artifacts were dated to about 240,000 years before present. Impossible to the establishment. The artifacts were re-buried, the site closed off, and Ms. McIntyre was forced to give up a promising career for daring to find and establish evidence that threw the mandated chronology out the window.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hopefully with some bone fragments for him to choke on.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
In the case of Whitney's 1880 discovery, the general opinion, by 1950, was that Whitney had made an error by dating the tools to the lava near where they were found. The tools were of the Later Stone Age, possibly as late as the Bronze Act, and were - this is important - digging and mining tools. It is now believed that early Americans humans, probably not appreciably earlier in development than humans elsewhere, had dug through the lava in search of silver and left their tools there, on or near lava that was already millions of years old. It would seem to me that the Fundamentalists, more than the Masons, would be upset by evidence of extremely antiquity of human life on the planet.
belief system blowout!! oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.' - Apache proverb
My thought as well. Anyone who is following the antics of the State Board of Education here in Texas knows that close to a majority on that board believes that the earth is only a little over 6,000 years old and mankind is slightly younger than that.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
They are drawing the wrong conclusion from the data. They are basically saying that people and dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures were around at the same time. Then they assume that therefore the humans must have been around for millions of years. That is incorrect. Here is how it is. The earth is a few thousand years old. And yes dinosaurs and man were together but not millions of years ago. They are using an assumption that the way things dated are accurate. Well they aren' they are circular reasoning. So there you have it.
Exactly when did the Earth start?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Que Twilight Zone Theme.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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I saw a lunch box on eBay proving it. Can I borrow about $350?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
As a joke the lead programmer at a company I used to work for arbitrarily decided it was 12:00AM Jan 1, 4004BC. Every date calculation performed thence started there. No need to tell you it still works almost a decade and a half later.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
I know that attempts continue to place the anomalous finds within the "accepted" paradigm. And while American Indians were known to use a little metal there is NO evidence that they engaged in any systematic mining or metallurgy. Rather, they used nuggets of elemental metal, mostly copper, found in situ which could then be melted out of the metal bearing rock - usually quartz. The argument that the tools date to the later stone age is based only upon their shape, form, and method of manufacture. That is not conclusive proof. At best it shows that more than one culture could, as is known to occur, develop similar methods of tool manufacture. However, the entire case does not rest on Whitney as there are other anomalous finds dating back beyond the accepted time horizon e.g., Virginia Steen McIntyre. However, the resistance of the establishment to any revision of their, set in stone, theories is probably best epitomized by a Stone Tower discovered encapsulated in a lava field dated geologically to about 8,000 B.C.. However, that conflicted with the established chronology and so the establishment archaeologists dated it to 5,000 B.C. despite its having been found encased in lava much older. At the moment I'm too lazy to go dig out the book and give specific reference. As well one can look at the stone structures of South America and again questions arise. If one took the established chronology seriously one would have to believe that primitive nomads came across a land bridge ca. 13,000 B.C., traveled all the way down the South American Continent, and then populated the area, while simultaneously developing stone work to such a high degree that they could build walls and structures of stones weighing as much as 250 tons (Ollyaytaytambo). Going further the quays and canals found near Lake Titicaca, and Tiahuanaco, appear to have been built at sea level before the Andes were upthrust ca. 10,000 B.C.. So, that shortens the timeline to 3,000 years for a migration, of at most a few thousand, nomads to reach the tip of South America and develop a very sophisticated, and populous culture. Pardon my mirth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Okay sure that's Fred, but that's not a real dinosaur.
Why this is no joke! This is serious stuff we are discussing. Are you aware of the dynamic ramifications of and about your own existence when the Earth was created only a few thousand year ago? I think what AKA Stone is saying (with a cheap Charlton Heston shot at the BIG_VOICE) is that you are closer to GOD, HIMSELF with every passing breath.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
From the article at ReligousTolerance.org: Beliefs in the Earth's age by old Earth creationists, young Earth creationists, & scientists Overview: There is a great diversity of belief concerning the age of the Earth and the rest of the universe: bullet Most estimates based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, and in particular the belief that the Hebrew word : "yom" in Genesis refers to a 24 hour day, cluster around 6,000 years :' 2,000 years for both the age of the Earth and of the rest of the universe. These estimates are promoted by young-Earth creationists, and by the vast majority of Christian para-church organizations which specialize in origins. In 1738, De Vignoles stated that he had accumulated no fewer than 200 computations of the date of creation, all based upon various diverse interpretations of the Bible. bullet Belief in a "young Earth" continued among scientists, until the early 18th century, when it became obvious to most researchers that geological processes were exceedingly slow, and must have been accomplished over incredibly long periods of time. A 5,800 year old earth simply was not possible. A hundred years later, investigators studying Egyptian found that "...civilization of Egypt began earlier than the time assigned for the creation of man." 1 :Once limited from the time constraints imposed by the young Earth concept, progress in geology and other earth scientists advanced by leaps and bounds. bullet Most conservative groups within Christianity still follow the estimate of Dr. John Lightfoot, a 17th century Anglican clergyman. He estimated that creation occurred during 4004 BCE. Bishop James Ussher in the 17th century made the same estimate a decade later, and got almost all the credit. bullet Most estimates of the Earth's age, based on actual measurements and calculations, are clustered around 4.5 billion years. Scientists further believe that the earth's crust solidified about 3.9 billion years ago. Part of the universe itself are much older, dating back to the big bang, some 15 billion years ago. Such estimates are accepted by most old Earth creationists, by essentially all geologists, biologists and other earth and life scientists, and by a few Christian para-church groups, like "Reasons to Believe." :2 Conflict between theology and science, and why it is critical: Back in 1991, scientists made many rough estimates of the age of the universe, ranging from 7 to 20 billion years. These were based on the crude models then available to scientists. Since then, estimates have been refined; almost all have grouped around 15 billion years. Currently, there is a near consensus among earth scientists that the age of "Earth and [the rest of] our solar system is 4.54 billion years, plus or minus 0.02 billions years." 3 :This estimate is based on: bullet :The measured age of the oldest rocks on earth -- small crystals of zircon found in the Jack Hills of Western Australia. bullet :The measured age of meteorites which have landed on earth. Both values are in conflict with interpretations of the biblical accounts of creation by "young earth" creationists. The difference is factor of about half a million times. As author Henry Morris wrote: "...the Biblical chronology is about a million times shorter than the evolutionary chronology. A million-fold mistake is no small matter, and Biblical scholars surely need to give primary attention to resolving this tremendous discrepancy right at the very foundation of our entire Biblical cosmology. This is not a peripheral issue that can be dismissed with some exegetical twist, but is central to the very integrity of scriptural theology." 4 Many conservative Protestants are keen to prove that the earth is young -- under 10 millennia old: bullet The web site ChristianAnswers.net states: "If Evolution by natural processes from 'amoeba' to man is possible, as Evolutionists maintain, it would undoubtedly require billions of years to accomplish. A younger universe would make Evolution impossible." 3,5 bullet Author R.L. Wysong wrote: "Both evolutionists and creationists believe evolution is an impossibility if the universe is only a few thousand years old. There probably is no statement that could be made on the topic of origins which would meet with so much agreement from both sides. Setting aside the question of whether vast time is competent to propel evolution, we must query if vast time is indeed available." 5,6 bullet John Morris wrote: "The real key, however, for resolving the creation/evolution controversy is in a study of the age of the earth. Evolution demands long periods of time, but if the earth is much younger, as the Bible teaches, then evolution is even more foolish." 7 Basis for dating the creation of Adam and Eve from the biblical text: The creation stories in the Bible start at Genesis 1:1. They are undated. To compute a probable date of creation from the biblical record, it is necessary to work backwards from a date that is known from the historical record. The earliest event in the Bible that can be dated with reasonable certainty is the beginning of Saul's reign as the first king of Israel. It is generally believed to have occurred about 1020 BCE, at a time when Egypt and Assyria were weakened and the Israelites were able to assert domination over their own territory. Many theologians have attempted to compute the date of creation by working back from this or a similar known date, through the various time intervals mentioned in the Bible. For example: bullet Most contemporary historians establish a base date of Saul's accession to the throne of Israel to have happened 1020 BCE. However, Bishop James Ussher, a 17th century Irish archbishop from Armagh, Ireland, estimated this date as 1095 BCE in his work: Annales Veteris et Novi Testamenti bullet Work backwards through the Book of Judges. Ussher computed 330 years for the duration of the rule of Judges. He based this on the intervals specified in the Hebrew Scriptures. Modern theologians believe that the "Judges" did not rule over all of Israel in a regular sequence. Instead, each Judge controlled separate tribe(s), so that their interval of rule overlapped. A modern estimate for the duration of time covered by the Book of Judges is perhaps 180 years. bullet If Joshua's conquest of Canaan happened, it would have occurred circa in the 13:th century BCE which was a time when Egypt's influence over the area was at a low ebb. Bishop Ussher estimated that it began in 1451 BCE; that is unlikely because Egyptian power was at its peak at that time and completely dominated the area. In reality, if it did happen, it probably occurred in about 1237 BCE under Pharaoh Rameses II, a time when Egypt was in steady decline. bullet Ussher dated the arrival of Abraham in Canaan to 2126 BCE and the Noachian flood at 2349 BCE. The latter is unlikely, because historical records in China and Egypt continued without disruption through that date, and contain no record of a massive world-wide flood that would have wiped out their civilizations. bullet Ussher was able to use the ages of famous pre-flood personages in the Bible to estimate the number of years between creation and the flood. In 1650 CE, he published his book "Annales veteris testamenti, a prima mundi origine deducti" ("Annals of the Old Testament, deduced from the first origins of the world.") He calculated that God had created the Earth in 4004 BCE. A decade earlier, Dr. John Lightfoot, (1602 - 1675), an Anglican clergyman, rabbinical scholar, and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge had already arrived at an estimate of 4004-OCT-23 BCE, at 9 AM. (We assume that this was either Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or Jerusalem time). Unfortunately, Ussher gets most of the credit; Lightfoot's contribution is rarely cited. This would make the time interval between the creation of the world and a common estimate of the birth of Christ at precisely 4000 years. Some people believe that Ussher fudged the data to make it come out this neatly. This date found general acceptance among many Christians; "...his dates were inserted in the margins of the authorized version of the English Bible and were soon practically regarded as equally inspired with the sacred text itself..." 1 :There are two inherent and unavoidable sources of error that are often overlooked in these calculations: bullet The calculation must rely on numerous passages which state that a person was born when his father was of a certain age. But if a 30 year-old man has a son, the birth might have occurred at any time between the father's 30th birthday, and one day before his 31st birthday. Thus, on average, an error of six months is introduced with each father-son passage. bullet :Some theologians have pointed out that there may be missing generations in Bible chronologies. The entire family tree may not be fully listed. Some "sons" are actually grandsons. "In Exodus 6:16-20, we find only four generations listed between Levi and Moses. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia states: 'It seems quite clear that some generations were omitted in the compilation' (rev. ed., s.v. 'Genealogy'). In Matthew 1:1-17, the Gospel writer deliberately omits three kings to illustrate the theological point he is making, a point that depends upon a generational pattern." 8 Computing the age of the earth and universe from the creation date of Adam & Eve: There is a further complexity introduced by the creation story in Genesis itself. Even if one were to accept the biblical genealogies as truth, this only traces the creation of Adam back to perhaps 4000 to 8000 BCE. But the time interval from the creation of the universe to the creation of Adam is a matter of intense debate among bible-believing creationists. That is because of the ambiguity associated with the Hebrew word "yom" which appears frequently in the Genesis creation stories. It is translated as "day" in all of the English versions of the Bible of which we are aware. But it can also mean an indeterminate interval of time. Most young earth creationists believe that "yom" means a day of 24 hours. This puts the date of creation of the universe according to a literal interpretation of the Bible at 4000 to 8000 BCE. However, old earth creationists suggest that each of the six "days" of creation might have taken many hundreds of millions of years. Further, there might have been one or more long intervals of time between some of the "days."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Now I've seen it all, you knuckleheads are about to have a knock-down, drag-out bumfight without applying to legal sanctioning body and all that. I'm keeping out of this affair henceforth, but I have to warn you I think you're stirring up a hornet's nest.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Stone doesn't care about anything other than stirring a pot she/he/it can't handle.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
You tell me what you think first.
Buckeroo there are GIGANTIC consequences. When people realize that evolution is junk science just like globullshit warming. Once they realize they should realize that Gods word is true. When they realize that Gods word is true they will start to have different priorities and to live differently. When they start to live differently they will treat other people better. The goodness that can come from defeating the false belief system of atheism and evolution is immeasurable.
I care about the struggle between good and evil. That you can't see that is of no consequence to me or anyone else.
I started to read your little propaganda piece. It was laughable all the half truths and disproved talking points that there was. Keep believing a lie if you want.
One day, a few years ago ... there was a silly, little poster name AKA Stone. Because he is self-proclaimed Christian, he believes that everyone is a homo-sexual; he says it all the time; in fact, everyday... without proof of perspective or comment. And then one day .. GOD sez to AKA Stone .. invent ye, thine own website! And AKA Stone dids't comply. And then GOD sez to AKA Stone .. call everyone a homo-sexual. And AKA Stone dids't comply. And then one day GOD sayeth to AKA Stone ... one of these days, do you want a fine young Jewish girl? And AKA sayeth, "YES" or "Ye" whatever it takes. And from that moment on, AKA Stone has promoted Israel. AMEN.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Buckeroo it is true I called you a faggot. After you said the same to me. What a hypocritical loser. I'm sorry your life has become so meaningless now that your wife has left you.
I don't use terminology like you use, punk. For a Christian, you are a fucking liar and should burn in HELL like your fabulous fat Hagees and MILF Palin.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
And so what is Your "truth"? While I accord to you, and all, the right to believe as you wish tolerance does not require me to share your belief. Frankly I think the "young earth" creation is preposterous, but feel free to believe as you wish.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What is preposterous about it. All the evidence lines up with that model. Fire away. Surely you aren't stupid enough to believe that the spontaneous combustion of mud creates life. lol
Define the difference. Let's see how you really "care."
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Lets just take one. Abortion is the killing of innocent human life. It is obviously evil to anyone with a half an ounce of moral fibre in their body. Can we agree on that? If we can't understand a simple truth like that there is no need to go any further.
Are you saying that the "taking of innocent human life" is evil? Is that the starting point you want to discuss?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
purposefully. Yes. I answered your question. So now answer one for me. Is abortion evil?
No, it's only a day older than you. It was all put here just so that you can experience life AKA Stone. It's all an illusion. That story makes about as much sense as yours.
Recorded history goes back 6000 years, so you can't have an Earth that's only 2000 years old. Hell, that's not even old enough to include the events in the New Testament, or the Greek and Roman empires..
It worked in your case
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#2. To: christine, Rotara, noone222, Kamala, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, CadetD, farmfriend, randge, Esso, abraxas, ratcat, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, HOUNDDAWG, phantom patriot, James Deffenbach, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, all (#0)
"What you see is determined by what you know, and when that changes everything changes."
911 Was an Inside Job Vs. 911 was committed by "19Arabswhohateuscuzwe'refree".
#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)
Oh, and you can track all racist views back to materialism as racism of any kind is founded upon the "man is meat" not "man is a spiritual being" view of existence. If for just one moment you consider that "Man" is a spiritual being, and is not his body, then the racist point of view becomes not only illogical but absolutely ludicrous.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#4. To: Rotara (#3)
Should my container give up my ghost before your's does, I certainly expect you to sprinkle my ashes over the ACLU HQ...
#5. To: Original_Intent (#4)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#6. To: X-15, Rotara, all (#1)
Kennewick Man bump
#7. To: Rotara (#5)
Yeah, on second thought I want most of mine put into Bill Gates' smoothie...
#8. To: Original_Intent (#0)
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#9. To: Original_Intent (#0)
#10. To: Shoonra (#8)
It would seem to me that the Fundamentalists, more than the Masons, would be upset by evidence of extremely antiquity of human life on the planet.
#11. To: Original_Intent (#0)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
The earth is a few thousand years old.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)
They are drawing the wrong conclusion from the data. They are basically saying that people and dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures were around at the same time. Then they assume that therefore the humans must have been around for millions of years. That is incorrect. Here is how it is. The earth is a few thousand years old. And yes dinosaurs and man were together but not millions of years ago. They are using an assumption that the way things dated are accurate. Well they aren' they are circular reasoning. So there you have it.
#14. To: Original_Intent, AKA Stone, all (#13)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)
The earth is a few thousand years old. And yes dinosaurs and man were together but not millions of years ago
#16. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, AKA Stone, ALL (#14)
#17. To: buckeroo (#12)
Exactly when did the Earth start?
#18. To: Shoonra (#8)
In the case of Whitney's 1880 discovery, the general opinion, by 1950, was that Whitney had made an error by dating the tools to the lava near where they were found. The tools were of the Later Stone Age, possibly as late as the Bronze Act, and were - this is important - digging and mining tools. It is now believed that early Americans humans, probably not appreciably earlier in development than humans elsewhere, had dug through the lava in search of silver and left their tools there, on or near laval that was already millions of years old.
#19. To: wudidiz (#14)
#20. To: Sam Houston (#16)
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"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#21. To: Dakmar (#17)
#22. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, wudidiz (#12)
#23. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#21)
closer to GOD, HIMSELF with every passing breath
#24. To: Dakmar (#23)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#25. To: Dakmar, AKA Stone (#23)
#26. To: buckeroo (#12)
Exactly when did the Earth start? Exactly when did the Earth start?
#27. To: buckeroo (#21)
Why this is no joke! This is serious stuff we are discussing. Are you aware of the dynamic ramifications of and about your own existence when the Earth was created only a few thousand year ago?
#28. To: buckeroo (#25)
Stone doesn't care about anything other than stirring a pot
#29. To: Original_Intent (#22)
#30. To: A K A Stone (#26)
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#31. To: buckeroo (#30)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I started to read your little propaganda piece. It was laughable all the half truths and disproved talking points that there was. Keep believing a lie if you want.
#34. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Frankly I think the "young earth" creation is preposterous, but feel free to believe as you wish.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#28)
I care about the struggle between good and evil.
#36. To: buckeroo (#35)
Define the difference. Let's see how you really "care."
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Are you saying that the "taking of innocent human life" is evil? Is that the starting point you want to discuss?
#39. To: A K A Stone (#11)
The earth is a few thousand years old.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: A K A Stone (#34)
What is preposterous about it. All the evidence lines up with that model.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: A K A Stone (#34)
spontaneous combustion of mud creates life.
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