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Title: Letter from the Census Bureau
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Published: Mar 12, 2010
Author: me
Post Date: 2010-03-12 20:05:00 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Views: 669
Comments: 53

So when I got home tonight I found a letter waiting for me from the Census Bureau, telling me that I should fill out all of the information on the census form so that my town can get it's "fair share" of governmental goodies.

I don't know about anyone else, but the only thing I am filling out on that form is how many people live in my home. When they send a live person to my home, then I am going to ask them if they have a warrant. When they tell me they do not need one then I will plead the 5th and shut the door on their faces. I am ready to take this as far as I can take it in the court system.

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#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

I don't understand why you won't come clean with the facts and figures to an 18 dollar/hour off the street employee of the US government. You seem to have an obvious distrust for government. Maybe you can detail why you are so distrustful and make a set of bullet items so we understand your point of view.

If you don't come clean, its 5000 bucks or the slammer for ya.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   0:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In reference to Lod's post #8, in order for public servants to avoid being sued, they must also be willing to provide answers to citizens concerning the census questions that they want the citizens to volunteer. No federal agent has the right to force citizens to volunteer information. If the information needed is mandatory, and requires more than a simple population poll, then a warrant needs to be shown along with proper badge identification.

http://nonais.org/techdocs/PublicServantQuestionnaire.pdf

Authorities for Questions:

1,2,3,4 In order to be sure you know exactly who you are giving the information to. Residence and business addresses are needed in case you need to serve process in a civil or criminal action upon this individual.

5 All public servants have taken a sworn oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

6,7 This is standard procedure by government agents and officers. See Internal Revenue Manual, MT- 9900-26, Section 242.133.

8,9,10 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (A)

11 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (5), (e) (1)

12,13 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (B), (e) (3) (C)

14 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (D)

15 Public Law 93-579 (b) (1)

16 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (3) (A)

17,18 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (2)

19 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (5)

20,21 Public Law 93-579 (b) (1)

22 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (d) (1)

23 Title 5 USC 552a, paragraph (e) (10)

purplerose  posted on  2010-03-13   0:38:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

.... in order for public servants to avoid being sued, they must also be willing to provide answers to citizens concerning the census questions that they want the citizens to volunteer.

Oh PSHAW! Since when are contemporary government employees the same as "public servants?" Back in the 1700s?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   0:41:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Government employees are public servants in that they all must take an oath to uphold the state and federal constitutions. All of them take this oath.

purplerose  posted on  2010-03-13   0:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Government employees are public servants in that they all must take an oath to uphold the state and federal constitutions.

Oh golly, gee whiz ... they take an oath at the water cooler to talk about their benefits and future retirement for seven hours a day. Of course they are entitled to an hour lunch break. And ten thousand days off for anything under the Sun: for one month's vacation, jury duty assignment, professional training, dental treatment, doctor's visit, tummy aches and a little stubby toe on the way to work.

Tough life, 'eh?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   0:57:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep, it's a tough life. True, citizens should comply with the basis of the questions that are appropriate to population census. They do have that obligation.

But if government servants want to make it easier for themselves, they will also comply with the law. Otherwise, they will be served legal process in their little cubicles and sued in their personal capacities. They are not immune from liability.

purplerose  posted on  2010-03-13   1:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

True, citizens should comply with the basis of the questions that are appropriate to population census. They do have that obligation.

That is to say: there are only _____ people here.

But if government servants want to make it easier for themselves, they will also comply with the law.

No they won't. They are continuously ridiculed in these chit-chat political forums. Why? Government does nothing in America anymore. And government employees know the same and exhibit the same retardation of so-called "service."

Otherwise, they will be served legal process in their little cubicles and sued in their personal capacities. They are not immune from liability.

Who really gives a damn about that perspective? The US government will extract ten thousand more lawyers to fight and defend for that little government employee than ten thousand bona-fide US citizens.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   1:17:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Who really gives a damn about that perspective?..."

The government servants will when they are personally served in their offices. It has been done many times. I have successfully served these people lawsuits by use of the sheriff, U.S. Marshal service, or by a qualified process server who handles cross state line legal process. Whether they are state or federal servants, they will be sued!

Citizens are expected to uphold the laws.

And that equally applies to public servants.

purplerose  posted on  2010-03-13   1:25:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Citizens are expected to uphold the laws. And that equally applies to public servants.

Wait a minute. Lets parse your POM-POM waving enthusiasm:

Citizens are expected to uphold the laws.

But you neglected that the People pay for the fiasco of the same laws that lock-jaw this nation.

And that equally applies to public servants.

There are no public servants. There are none. All there are ... government employees looking for guaranteed personal benefits.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   1:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are no public servants. There are none. All there are ... government employees looking for guaranteed personal benefits.

If there were no public servants there would be no oaths to be administered either and we would have no government in place. Government employees are public servants. As public servants they swear an oath to uphold the constitution(s) and laws.

purplerose  posted on  2010-03-13   2:01:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Government employees are public servants. As public servants they swear an oath to uphold the constitution(s) and laws.

And what do they really do to benefit America? I mean beyond their recent little stubby toes on the way to the office....

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   2:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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