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Title: Another state to feds: Take your gun regs and stuff 'em -Local governments in massive revolt against rules ordered by Washington
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URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127490
Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: By Bob Unruh
Post Date: 2010-03-13 11:29:57 by gengis gandhi
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Another state to feds: Take your gun regs and stuff 'em Local governments in massive revolt against rules ordered by Washington Posted: March 10, 2010 9:24 pm Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2010 WorldNetDaily Utah has become the third state to adopt a law exempting guns and ammunition made, sold and used in the state from massive federal regulations under the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and supporters say about 30 more states have some sort of plan for their own exemptions in the works. Officials in Utah say they expect a lawsuit over their direct challenge to Washington if the federal government succeeds in its current case against Montana's law. Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, who has spearheaded the Montana law, now describes himself as a sort of "godfather" to the national campaign. He confirmed Montana, Tennessee and Utah have enacted such laws. (Story continues below) "Wyoming and South Dakota, they have passed legislation and it's on their governors' desks," he said. "We learned today Oklahoma's House has passed a plan over to the Senate. Idaho's House has just passed it along. Alaska's has passed the House and is in the Senate Judiciary committee," he said. The move is about far more than just the regulation of handguns and shotguns, he said. Larry Klayman "It's about states' rights. Firearms are the vehicle, but the subject is states' rights and an overbearing federal government," he said. He said one of his sources of information for the Montana lawsuit compiled a list of states' rights issues such as identification, sovereignty and gun licensing that was 20 pages long. He confirmed an emerging consensus that the federal government's role in making local decisions needs to be reined in. "It is huge," he said. "We are glad the Firearms Freedom Act can be the point of the spear." There only are about a dozen states that have not at least taken up the issue for discussion. He noted other subjects also have become issues, such as regulations dealing with the sale of alcohol and tobacco. Originally introduced and passed in Montana, the FFA declares that any firearms made and retained in-state are beyond the authority of Congress under its constitutional power to regulate commerce among the states. The Salt Lake Tribune reported yesterday the Utah plan was signed into law by Gov. Gary Herbert. Learn what you can do about your nation. Get "Taking America Back," Joseph Farah's manifesto for sovereignty, self-reliance and moral renewal "There are times when the state needs to push back against continued encroachment from the federal government. Sending the message that we will stand up for a proper balance between the state and federal government is a good thing," said Herbert in a statement. The governor said he recognized the possibility of a lawsuit but said the cost can be minimized. In any event, Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said any case probably would be delayed until Montana's decision is rendered, the newspaper reported. The Utah plan was sponsored by Sen. Margaret Dayton, R-Orem. Dayton said, according to the Tribune, it "illustrates the universal yearning for freedom, and shows the people still feel the spark that inspired our ancestors at Lexington and Valley Forge. My hope is that the march toward tyranny can be turned back with our votes." In Montana, officials filed suit against U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and others seeking a court order that the federal government stay out of the way of Montana's management of its own firearms within state borders. In a recent filing, the federal government demanded dismissal of the action, explaining it can regulate in-state commerce under the Constitution's Commerce clause. As WND reported, the action was filed by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Montana Shooting Sports Association in U.S. District Court in Missoula, Mont., to validate the principles and terms of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, which took effect Oct. 3. Marbut argues that the federal government was created by the states to serve the states and the people, and it is time for the states to begin drawing boundaries for the federal government and its agencies. The government's latest filing in the case demands its dismissal, citing a lacking of "standing" for the plaintiffs and the court's lack of "jurisdiction," as well as the Constitution's Commerce Clause. The government filing argues, "The Supreme Court and Ninth Circuit have repeatedly held that even purely intrastate activities, such as those the MFFA purports to exempt from federal law, do affect interstate commerce and thus are within Congress' power to regulate. As a result, even if plaintiffs had standing and jurisdiction existed, plaintiffs' amended complaint fails to state a claim and must be dismissed." The Commerce Clause, however, can be interpreted to have been amended by the 10th Amendment, which is part of the Bill of Rights, adopted subsequent to the U.S. Constitution, Marbut explains. His organization said, "The Commerce Clause was amended – by the 10th Amendment. It is a bedrock principle of jurisprudence that for any conflict between provisions of a co-equal body of law, the most recently enacted must be given deference as the most recent expression of the enacting authority. This principle is ancient. Without this principle, laws could not be amended or repealed." For example, U.S. courts repeatedly affirmed slavery before it ultimately was rejected. There's no question that the components of the Bill of Rights have authority: Just look at the 1st Amendment, Marbut explained. The federal government had written gun dealers in Montana as well as in Tennessee when it adopted its own version of the same law that warned against following the state laws. The letters were distributed to holders of Federal Firearms Licenses. In the Tennessee case, Carson W. Carroll, the assistant director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told dealers the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, adopted, "purports to exempt personal firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured in the state, and which remain in the state, from most federal firearms laws and regulations." The exemption is not right, the federal agency letter contends. 
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#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
This could set up a battle over the "Commerce Clause" the distortion and misuse of which is used as justification for a lot of the Feral Governments unconstitutional activities. Anyone who has studied the issue, and the history of the clause, knows that the government's misuse, and the Supreme Court's twisting of its meaning, has provided pretended justification for all manner of mischief. I don't know what will of this but any resistance to Federal tyranny at the State level is to be applauded and supported. It is after all the United States not the Federal States.
As I understand the state's position it's simply that if a gun is manufactured within the state, it isn't subject to federal regulation. Is that your take?
If the "Commerce Clause" were applied as in original intent yes that is my take. However, under the expansion of the Commerce Clause illegitimately exercised by the Supreme Court it has been interpreted as anything even indirectly affecting interstate commerce. A little history if you'll excuse me (you might be aware of this but others may not): Under the Articles of Confederation there was no such clause and the States truly did operate as independent states within a broader Confederation with a weak central government. New York perceiving New Jersey as a competitor passed tariffs and fees on goods coming on ships with a New Jersey registry. New Jersey retaliated and the Trade War was on. In order to prevent a recurrence of such interstate rivalry and impediments to interstate commerce the new Constitution had inserted a clause reading thusly: ARTICLE I. Section 8: This short clause is the crux of the matter, and the wording is quite clear i.e., it is to allow the Federal Government the sole authority to regulate commerce among the states. However, in practice it has been expansively "interpreted" by the Supreme Court to mean anything affecting commerce which could even remotely, indirectly, affect commerce. It was even used, during WWII, against a man growing his own Wheat, solely for his own use, to forbid him from doing so because it would affect "interstate commerce" in that he would then not buy Wheat brought in from another state. Thus the ruling was that his growing his own Wheat affected "interstate commerce". Here is an article which explores some of it, but excludes some of the more egregious interpretations: Constitutional Conflicts - the "Commerce Clause". In short if the "Commerce Clause" was applied as per original intent the FDA, USDA, Forest Service, and other Federal Entities lose their teeth as they cannot enforce their regulations upon the free citizenry. That is why short of the prospect of a visit from "Jack Ketch" the Supreme Court will find against the States and for the Feral Government.
Article I, Section 8 bump
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. You worry me with your archaic "bumps."
#22. To: buckeroo, Rotara, christine, all (#21)
Hi Bucky - busy trying to obscure the issues I see. This is one of my favorite tactics you are playing - the "information deluge" - post a lot of stuff that obscures the main point thus fatiguing the casual reader into not reading the arguments. I see no argument related to your posting and so can only assume that its point was to obscure the existing series of posts. From Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation:
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#6. To: Jethro Tull, farmfriend, all (#4)
As I understand the state's position it's simply that if a gun is manufactured within the state, it isn't subject to federal regulation. Is that your take?
...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;...
#12. To: Original_Intent (#6)
hamiltonians LOVE the "Commerce Clause" applications / bastardizations...
#21. To: Rotara (#12)
Article I, Section 8 bump
Section 8.
Replies to Comment # 21. "...A rational person participating as one interested in the truth will evaluate that chain of evidence and conclude either that the links are solid and conclusive, that one or more links are weak and need further development before conclusion can be arrived at, or that one or more links can be broken, usually invalidating (but not necessarily so, if parallel links already exist or can be found, or if a particular link was merely supportive, but not in itself key) the argument. The game is played by raising issues which either strengthen or weaken (preferably to the point of breaking) these links. It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluation... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. Often, by simply impeding and slowing down the process through disinformation tactics, a level of victory is assured because apathy increases with time and rhetoric...."
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
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