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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#108. To: groundresonance (#106)

hmmm, that's interesting. Water is produced from burning jet fuel? So all that jet fuel that burned at the WTC towers when the planes struck them also produced water?

I am asking because I don't know, seems kind of nuts to me though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-03-13   19:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: FormerLurker (#105)

It was a good one. Too bad Mr. Haney died, he could have probably answered your question (for a nominal fee of course).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-13   19:52:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: RickyJ (#108) (Edited)

seems kind of nuts to me though

is your google broke?

combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: groundresonance (#106)

if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".

Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light, or a planetary scientist to know that the reason why it's dark at night is because the Earth is rotating on it's axis?

More innuendo, conjecture, and false logic...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: groundresonance (#106)

One of your posts asked, given a certain wind speed, which direction will the chemtrails travel. Do you admit that was an illogical and idiotic question?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: FormerLurker (#111)

Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light

how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails if you are unable to understand one of the most basic chemical laws involved in producing contrails?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#106)

we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.

...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water.

if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".

Oh, horseshit!

One can still observe on a qualitative basis and see that there is something occurring which does not square with known data.

You are attempting to create a confusion where none exists.

Chemtrails are an observable fact.

They do not conform to the known characteristics of a normal contrail.

Therefore it is an unexplained phenomena.

Please explain to us how contrails form on the tips of ailerons as in the photo posted earlier on the thread?

No, your tactics are clear, ask irrelevant questions which delve off into minutiae not relevant to making an observation.

You are simply trying to create diversions and confuse the issues.

The Chemtrails exist and there are hundreds of photos to document that fact such as those at www.carnicom.com

They occur under circumstances where normal contrails do not.

They persist longer than a normal contrail, are laid out in patterns, and exhibit spreading and other qualitatively observable characteristics that conflict with the known behavior of real contrails.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   20:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: groundresonance (#113) (Edited)

how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails

Are you trying to say that for one, you need to understand the chemical formula and byproducts of combustion in order to see contrails, and for two, are you trying to say that water content in the air, air temperature, and air density, are all unimportant and unrelated factors in regards to contrail formation?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: FormerLurker (#111)

Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light,

Let me answer your earlier pictures of the spectra contained in these contrails. The phenomena is called refraction of light and instead of being absorbed by water vapor, the radiation refracts or bends sunlight to produce the majestic colours you see from time to time. It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel.

As your pictures show, it is pretty phenomena, don't you think?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   20:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Original_Intent (#114) (Edited)

The Chemtrails exist

yes, they do.

they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: groundresonance (#117)

they exist at low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.

Well I can't see how or why 3 or 4 aircraft flying in formation from over the ocean at approximately 40,000 feet would be dropping fire suppressants, pesticides, or fertilizer, and change course in such a way when over land to form tic tac toe patterns in the sky, going and forth for an hour, then leave the area at high altitude...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)

Are you trying to say

i'm not trying to say anything.

i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails.

i am saying, if "chemtrails" were such a big deal, you'd be able to organize a sample collection effort to take samples from contrails that you think are "chemtrails".

i am saying that you've demonstrated such an overwhelming ignorance of atmospheric science, chemistry and physics that you have no business posting on a thread about contrails.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: groundresonance (#110)

Yeah, I think it is broke. Says I am banned from doing searches due to the fact I deny the Holocaust occurred. Says I should go electrocute myself. Thank God I didn't listen to it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-03-13   20:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: groundresonance (#117)

they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.

And BTW, is it general practice to drop those substances from 40,000 feet over populated areas?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: RickyJ (#120)

is broke

LOL

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: groundresonance (#110)

combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.

Really? Produces water vapor? I really wish I could still google. Maybe I will try scroogle.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-03-13   20:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: groundresonance (#119)

i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails.

And I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child, and was stationed on an airbase where I viewed CONTRAILS virtually every day of the year.

What I am saying is that what I am calling CHEMTRAILS are NOT CONTRAILS, and I don't need to be a chemist to notice the difference in their appearance or behavior.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: buckeroo (#116)

It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel.

Buck, regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do, and the results are similar to that seen in the picture.

You can notice it best with polarized sun glasses, where regular clouds don't have rainbow effects at their edges, whereas after chemtrail activity, they do.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: FormerLurker (#124)

I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child

and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child.

air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: buckeroo, groundresonance (#116)

Thanks for bumping the thread BTW, it keeps it at the top of the comments section...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)

regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do

and all you've got to do now is prove the existence of "chemtrails", other than those used in fire suppression and agriculture.

but you cant do it.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: groundresonance (#126) (Edited)

and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child.

air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child

Turbofan engines are pretty much the same today as they were then in terms of overall design and concept, and airliners fly at pretty much the same altitude today as they did then.

CHEMTRAILS were first seen around the mid 1990's or so, not back in the 70's, 60's or earlier.

There has not been any revolutionary engine design change for commercial airliners during the 80's or 90's, nor even in the 21st century.

Hence, that phenomenon which is being observed and named a CHEMTRAIL is NOT produced from those engines.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: groundresonance (#128)

but you cant do it.

A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)

are you denying that persistent contrails and contrail cirrus clouds exist?

Results 1 - 10 of about 106,000 for persistent contrails

Results 1 - 10 of about 427,000 for contrail cirrus

why is this massive "chemtrail" movement unable to mount an operation to collect samples directly from "chemtrails"?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: groundresonance (#128)

BTW, do you think that water fluoridation is a good and necessary thing?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#123)

OK, scroogle works. H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons it appears. Learn something new everyday. :)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-03-13   20:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: groundresonance (#131) (Edited)

Are you trying to say that because there are occasional weather abnormalities, that ALL vapor trails produced by high flying aircraft which last for hours, turn the sky grey, and cause respiratory ailments are simply "water vapor contrails"?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: RickyJ (#133)

H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons

yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret.

not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns.

not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

but dont tell anyone.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: FormerLurker, Original Intent (#130)

A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.

As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   20:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: groundresonance (#131)

You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: buckeroo (#136)

As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....

I remember one day, while watching some tankers (they appeared to be KC-130's) spray at high altitude, I DID see what appeared to be fighters flying towards them to investigate, but they were apparently ordered to turn back when they got close.

Of course that's all hearsay and I can't prove it, hell, even if I had video people would accuse me of doctoring the video. These days, even actual footage of an event isn't proof.

They're all quick to accept an obvious fake video of bin Laden admitting he "did" 9/11 though...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker (#135)

not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

It is pretty stuff to view, too. Ask FormerLurker whom posed some nice pictures, earlier up the thread.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   20:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: groundresonance, RickyJ, burckeroo (#135)

not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

But wait a minute, didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail? Doesn't seem to be the case now does it...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   20:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: buckeroo (#139) (Edited)

a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

It is pretty stuff to view, too.

you just cant keep a secret, can you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: FormerLurker (#137)

You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.

Exactly. He's following a script - probably has it on a decision chart what he is supposed to post in response to what as well as which diversion/disinfo lines he is supposed to use.

If you brought up 911 Truth he would have a different decision chart but the tactics would remain the same.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   20:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: groundresonance (#141)

you just cant keep a secret, can you?

I won't wear any 3-D glasses, either.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   20:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: FormerLurker (#140)

didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail?

you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   20:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: FormerLurker (#140)

a 5 mile trail?

Review your physics, man! In space, there is volume w-l-h. It is three dimensional in scope.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   20:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent FormerLurker, wudidiz, randge, all (#135)

H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons

yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret.

not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns.

not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

but dont tell anyone.

You can actually see water dripping from the tailpipe of cars and trucks when the exhaust system is cold. That's why exhaust systems rust from the inside out. The water is a byproduct of the combustion of gasoline. The same happens when kerosene or JP fuel is burned in a turbine.

Sorry I missed this interesting discussion today. Been catching up on a bunch of domestic projects.

I still don't see, after having read the posts above, 1) That there is more than one class of "trails," and 2) What the "chem" is in "chemtrails."

While I can understand your frustration at groundresonance persistence in asking certain questions, you should not call him a shill. He is asking quite reasonable questions.

A lot of what we have learned about 911 comes from people who have looked at evidence very carefully and seen and identified what others have not see before. But it behooves all of us to look just as carefully and critically when looking at things like photographic evidence.

Take for example, this image:

Upon close examination, the contrails from this aircraft line up with the engines, and do not issue from the ailerons as was claimed by a poster here. (Or more accurately from the elevators, which is what I think he meant.)

Flying across the Atlantic a couple of months ago, I had a lot of clear sky on the way over and was able to observe traffic at our altitude coming the other direction a number of kilometers north and traffic flying below flying east. I noted that contrails often don't condense until they are sometimes well aft of the rear control surfaces. Hence what you see here.

I guess what I'm saying with all this is that if you say there is a phenomenon X, it's up to you to show evidence for it. And when you provide evidence for it, make sure that it's good evidence.

I'm willing to entertain any sort of hypothesis that implicates our masters in some sort of devilry. Lord we're used to it. But let's stick to facts and good evidence. That's all that groundresonance has been asking for, and no I don't think he's shilling for anyone.

randge  posted on  2010-03-13   22:26:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: groundresonance (#144)

you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.

Yet earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops.

That's a bit intellectually dishonest, wouldn't you say?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   22:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: FormerLurker (#147)

earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops.

i was pointing out that a fully loaded 747 could only haul enough retardant to make a swath five miles long, let alone haul enough... whatever... to produce hours of "chemtrails".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   22:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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