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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#113. To: FormerLurker (#111)
how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails if you are unable to understand one of the most basic chemical laws involved in producing contrails?
...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water. if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails". Oh, horseshit! One can still observe on a qualitative basis and see that there is something occurring which does not square with known data. You are attempting to create a confusion where none exists. Chemtrails are an observable fact. They do not conform to the known characteristics of a normal contrail. Therefore it is an unexplained phenomena. Please explain to us how contrails form on the tips of ailerons as in the photo posted earlier on the thread? No, your tactics are clear, ask irrelevant questions which delve off into minutiae not relevant to making an observation. You are simply trying to create diversions and confuse the issues. The Chemtrails exist and there are hundreds of photos to document that fact such as those at www.carnicom.com They occur under circumstances where normal contrails do not. They persist longer than a normal contrail, are laid out in patterns, and exhibit spreading and other qualitatively observable characteristics that conflict with the known behavior of real contrails.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Are you trying to say that for one, you need to understand the chemical formula and byproducts of combustion in order to see contrails, and for two, are you trying to say that water content in the air, air temperature, and air density, are all unimportant and unrelated factors in regards to contrail formation?
Let me answer your earlier pictures of the spectra contained in these contrails. The phenomena is called refraction of light and instead of being absorbed by water vapor, the radiation refracts or bends sunlight to produce the majestic colours you see from time to time. It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel. As your pictures show, it is pretty phenomena, don't you think?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
yes, they do. they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
Well I can't see how or why 3 or 4 aircraft flying in formation from over the ocean at approximately 40,000 feet would be dropping fire suppressants, pesticides, or fertilizer, and change course in such a way when over land to form tic tac toe patterns in the sky, going and forth for an hour, then leave the area at high altitude...
i'm not trying to say anything. i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails. i am saying, if "chemtrails" were such a big deal, you'd be able to organize a sample collection effort to take samples from contrails that you think are "chemtrails". i am saying that you've demonstrated such an overwhelming ignorance of atmospheric science, chemistry and physics that you have no business posting on a thread about contrails.
Yeah, I think it is broke. Says I am banned from doing searches due to the fact I deny the Holocaust occurred. Says I should go electrocute myself. Thank God I didn't listen to it.
God is always good!
And BTW, is it general practice to drop those substances from 40,000 feet over populated areas?
LOL
Really? Produces water vapor? I really wish I could still google. Maybe I will try scroogle.
God is always good!
And I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child, and was stationed on an airbase where I viewed CONTRAILS virtually every day of the year. What I am saying is that what I am calling CHEMTRAILS are NOT CONTRAILS, and I don't need to be a chemist to notice the difference in their appearance or behavior.
Buck, regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do, and the results are similar to that seen in the picture. You can notice it best with polarized sun glasses, where regular clouds don't have rainbow effects at their edges, whereas after chemtrail activity, they do.
and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child. air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child. good enough
Thanks for bumping the thread BTW, it keeps it at the top of the comments section...
and all you've got to do now is prove the existence of "chemtrails", other than those used in fire suppression and agriculture. but you cant do it.
air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child Turbofan engines are pretty much the same today as they were then in terms of overall design and concept, and airliners fly at pretty much the same altitude today as they did then. CHEMTRAILS were first seen around the mid 1990's or so, not back in the 70's, 60's or earlier. There has not been any revolutionary engine design change for commercial airliners during the 80's or 90's, nor even in the 21st century. Hence, that phenomenon which is being observed and named a CHEMTRAIL is NOT produced from those engines.
A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.
are you denying that persistent contrails and contrail cirrus clouds exist? Results 1 - 10 of about 106,000 for persistent contrails Results 1 - 10 of about 427,000 for contrail cirrus why is this massive "chemtrail" movement unable to mount an operation to collect samples directly from "chemtrails"?
BTW, do you think that water fluoridation is a good and necessary thing?
OK, scroogle works. H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons it appears. Learn something new everyday. :)
God is always good!
Are you trying to say that because there are occasional weather abnormalities, that ALL vapor trails produced by high flying aircraft which last for hours, turn the sky grey, and cause respiratory ailments are simply "water vapor contrails"?
yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret. not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns. not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... but dont tell anyone.
As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.
I remember one day, while watching some tankers (they appeared to be KC-130's) spray at high altitude, I DID see what appeared to be fighters flying towards them to investigate, but they were apparently ordered to turn back when they got close. Of course that's all hearsay and I can't prove it, hell, even if I had video people would accuse me of doctoring the video. These days, even actual footage of an event isn't proof. They're all quick to accept an obvious fake video of bin Laden admitting he "did" 9/11 though...
It is pretty stuff to view, too. Ask FormerLurker whom posed some nice pictures, earlier up the thread.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
But wait a minute, didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail? Doesn't seem to be the case now does it...
It is pretty stuff to view, too. you just cant keep a secret, can you?
Exactly. He's following a script - probably has it on a decision chart what he is supposed to post in response to what as well as which diversion/disinfo lines he is supposed to use. If you brought up 911 Truth he would have a different decision chart but the tactics would remain the same.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I won't wear any 3-D glasses, either.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.
Review your physics, man! In space, there is volume w-l-h. It is three dimensional in scope.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret. not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns. not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... but dont tell anyone. You can actually see water dripping from the tailpipe of cars and trucks when the exhaust system is cold. That's why exhaust systems rust from the inside out. The water is a byproduct of the combustion of gasoline. The same happens when kerosene or JP fuel is burned in a turbine. Sorry I missed this interesting discussion today. Been catching up on a bunch of domestic projects. I still don't see, after having read the posts above, 1) That there is more than one class of "trails," and 2) What the "chem" is in "chemtrails." While I can understand your frustration at groundresonance persistence in asking certain questions, you should not call him a shill. He is asking quite reasonable questions. A lot of what we have learned about 911 comes from people who have looked at evidence very carefully and seen and identified what others have not see before. But it behooves all of us to look just as carefully and critically when looking at things like photographic evidence. Take for example, this image: Upon close examination, the contrails from this aircraft line up with the engines, and do not issue from the ailerons as was claimed by a poster here. (Or more accurately from the elevators, which is what I think he meant.) Flying across the Atlantic a couple of months ago, I had a lot of clear sky on the way over and was able to observe traffic at our altitude coming the other direction a number of kilometers north and traffic flying below flying east. I noted that contrails often don't condense until they are sometimes well aft of the rear control surfaces. Hence what you see here. I guess what I'm saying with all this is that if you say there is a phenomenon X, it's up to you to show evidence for it. And when you provide evidence for it, make sure that it's good evidence. I'm willing to entertain any sort of hypothesis that implicates our masters in some sort of devilry. Lord we're used to it. But let's stick to facts and good evidence. That's all that groundresonance has been asking for, and no I don't think he's shilling for anyone.
Yet earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops. That's a bit intellectually dishonest, wouldn't you say?
i was pointing out that a fully loaded 747 could only haul enough retardant to make a swath five miles long, let alone haul enough... whatever... to produce hours of "chemtrails".
of course, it's way too simple to acknowledge the fact that your "chemtrails" are contrails, formed by water, which is produced by burning the tons of fuel carried by the aircraft.
just out of curiosity... what is the purpose of your supposed "chemtrails"?
Did or did not groundresonance state the following? a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... Now if you look at a trail, whether it's a regular contrail or a chemtrail, it is 3 dimensional, is it not? Cubic feet is a measure of volume (ie. 3 dimensional space) buck, in case you didn't know. The thing is, the LENGTH is MUCH greater than the circular cross section, where the circular cross section of a regular contrail might be say 30 feet in diameter. Since area of a circle is Pi * (radius)Squared, or Pi * (diameter/2)Squared, then 3.14 * (15)Squared is 706.5 square feet. So every 10 feet of length gives you 7065 cubic feet of water vapor, from what he claims, in the area of what he claims as "thousands of cubic feet per gallon". SO, if this were true, and since there are 5280 feet in a mile, then there would have to be 528 gallons of water per mile, or 2640 gallons in five miles. If the water comes from the jet fuel, and even IF there was a 100% conversion of jet fuel to water (which of course there isn't), then the jet would burn 2650 gallons of fuel every 5 miles. In order to fly 500 miles, it'd have to burn 265,000 gallons of fuel. Jets can fly THOUSANDS of miles, yet a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel, and only consumes about 5 gallons per mile, not 528 or more. See where this is going?
There are published papers which detail weather modification by aerosol spraying. However, various toxic substances have been detected from "strands of spider web-like material" which have fallen from the sky following chemtrail activity which reveal the purpose might be more nefarious.
Yet you claim the water from contrails comes solely from the combustion products of jet fuel, where the maximum fuel capacity of a 747 would be nowhere close to that necessary to form ongoing contrails for hundreds of miles, even if the combustion resulted in a 100% conversion of fuel to water.
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#114. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#106)
we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.
#115. To: groundresonance (#113)
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how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: FormerLurker (#111)
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light,
#117. To: Original_Intent (#114)
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The Chemtrails exist
#118. To: groundresonance (#117)
they exist at low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)
Are you trying to say
#120. To: groundresonance (#110)
#121. To: groundresonance (#117)
they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: RickyJ (#120)
is broke
#123. To: groundresonance (#110)
combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.
#124. To: groundresonance (#119)
i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: buckeroo (#116)
It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker (#124)
I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child
#127. To: buckeroo, groundresonance (#116)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)
regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do
#129. To: groundresonance (#126)
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and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: groundresonance (#128)
but you cant do it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)
#132. To: groundresonance (#128)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: All (#123)
#134. To: groundresonance (#131)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: RickyJ (#133)
H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons
#136. To: FormerLurker, Original Intent (#130)
A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.
#137. To: groundresonance (#131)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#138. To: buckeroo (#136)
As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker (#135)
not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
#140. To: groundresonance, RickyJ, burckeroo (#135)
not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#141. To: buckeroo (#139)
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a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
#142. To: FormerLurker (#137)
You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.
#143. To: groundresonance (#141)
you just cant keep a secret, can you?
#144. To: FormerLurker (#140)
didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail?
#145. To: FormerLurker (#140)
a 5 mile trail?
#146. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent FormerLurker, wudidiz, randge, all (#135)
H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons
#147. To: groundresonance (#144)
you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#148. To: FormerLurker (#147)
earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops.
#149. To: FormerLurker (#147)
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#150. To: FormerLurker (#147)
#151. To: buckeroo (#145)
Review your physics, man! In space, there is volume w-l-h. It is three dimensional in scope.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: groundresonance (#150)
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just out of curiosity... what is the purpose of your supposed "chemtrails"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#153. To: groundresonance (#148)
i was pointing out that a fully loaded 747 could only haul enough retardant to make a swath five miles long, let alone haul enough... whatever... to produce hours of "chemtrails".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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