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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#135. To: RickyJ (#133)
yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret. not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns. not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... but dont tell anyone.
As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.
I remember one day, while watching some tankers (they appeared to be KC-130's) spray at high altitude, I DID see what appeared to be fighters flying towards them to investigate, but they were apparently ordered to turn back when they got close. Of course that's all hearsay and I can't prove it, hell, even if I had video people would accuse me of doctoring the video. These days, even actual footage of an event isn't proof. They're all quick to accept an obvious fake video of bin Laden admitting he "did" 9/11 though...
It is pretty stuff to view, too. Ask FormerLurker whom posed some nice pictures, earlier up the thread.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
But wait a minute, didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail? Doesn't seem to be the case now does it...
It is pretty stuff to view, too. you just cant keep a secret, can you?
Exactly. He's following a script - probably has it on a decision chart what he is supposed to post in response to what as well as which diversion/disinfo lines he is supposed to use. If you brought up 911 Truth he would have a different decision chart but the tactics would remain the same.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I won't wear any 3-D glasses, either.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.
Review your physics, man! In space, there is volume w-l-h. It is three dimensional in scope.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
yup, but dont let that out... it's a secret. not only that, but a gallon of kerosene produces a gallon of water, as water vapor, when it burns. not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... but dont tell anyone. You can actually see water dripping from the tailpipe of cars and trucks when the exhaust system is cold. That's why exhaust systems rust from the inside out. The water is a byproduct of the combustion of gasoline. The same happens when kerosene or JP fuel is burned in a turbine. Sorry I missed this interesting discussion today. Been catching up on a bunch of domestic projects. I still don't see, after having read the posts above, 1) That there is more than one class of "trails," and 2) What the "chem" is in "chemtrails." While I can understand your frustration at groundresonance persistence in asking certain questions, you should not call him a shill. He is asking quite reasonable questions. A lot of what we have learned about 911 comes from people who have looked at evidence very carefully and seen and identified what others have not see before. But it behooves all of us to look just as carefully and critically when looking at things like photographic evidence. Take for example, this image: Upon close examination, the contrails from this aircraft line up with the engines, and do not issue from the ailerons as was claimed by a poster here. (Or more accurately from the elevators, which is what I think he meant.) Flying across the Atlantic a couple of months ago, I had a lot of clear sky on the way over and was able to observe traffic at our altitude coming the other direction a number of kilometers north and traffic flying below flying east. I noted that contrails often don't condense until they are sometimes well aft of the rear control surfaces. Hence what you see here. I guess what I'm saying with all this is that if you say there is a phenomenon X, it's up to you to show evidence for it. And when you provide evidence for it, make sure that it's good evidence. I'm willing to entertain any sort of hypothesis that implicates our masters in some sort of devilry. Lord we're used to it. But let's stick to facts and good evidence. That's all that groundresonance has been asking for, and no I don't think he's shilling for anyone.
Yet earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops. That's a bit intellectually dishonest, wouldn't you say?
i was pointing out that a fully loaded 747 could only haul enough retardant to make a swath five miles long, let alone haul enough... whatever... to produce hours of "chemtrails".
of course, it's way too simple to acknowledge the fact that your "chemtrails" are contrails, formed by water, which is produced by burning the tons of fuel carried by the aircraft.
just out of curiosity... what is the purpose of your supposed "chemtrails"?
Did or did not groundresonance state the following? a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet... Now if you look at a trail, whether it's a regular contrail or a chemtrail, it is 3 dimensional, is it not? Cubic feet is a measure of volume (ie. 3 dimensional space) buck, in case you didn't know. The thing is, the LENGTH is MUCH greater than the circular cross section, where the circular cross section of a regular contrail might be say 30 feet in diameter. Since area of a circle is Pi * (radius)Squared, or Pi * (diameter/2)Squared, then 3.14 * (15)Squared is 706.5 square feet. So every 10 feet of length gives you 7065 cubic feet of water vapor, from what he claims, in the area of what he claims as "thousands of cubic feet per gallon". SO, if this were true, and since there are 5280 feet in a mile, then there would have to be 528 gallons of water per mile, or 2640 gallons in five miles. If the water comes from the jet fuel, and even IF there was a 100% conversion of jet fuel to water (which of course there isn't), then the jet would burn 2650 gallons of fuel every 5 miles. In order to fly 500 miles, it'd have to burn 265,000 gallons of fuel. Jets can fly THOUSANDS of miles, yet a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel, and only consumes about 5 gallons per mile, not 528 or more. See where this is going?
There are published papers which detail weather modification by aerosol spraying. However, various toxic substances have been detected from "strands of spider web-like material" which have fallen from the sky following chemtrail activity which reveal the purpose might be more nefarious.
Yet you claim the water from contrails comes solely from the combustion products of jet fuel, where the maximum fuel capacity of a 747 would be nowhere close to that necessary to form ongoing contrails for hundreds of miles, even if the combustion resulted in a 100% conversion of fuel to water.
and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water. when that water is emitted as water vapor, it occupies much more space than it does when it's in liquid form. It will take about 15,965 cubic feet of air at that temperature and humidity to hold 1 gallon of water.
toxic substances so "chemtrails" are being used to... what? ...cool the planet, or warm the planet? please post evidence of increased mortality under high density "chemtrail" traffic areas.
Actually it would be more accurate to say too "simplistic". The observed phenomena is not consistent with the known physical properties of naturally formed contrails both in terms of persistence and that they are formed at altitudes well below that of natural contrails. Again you attempt to suggest alternatives to the obvious in hopes that your alternatives will be taken up regardless of their inability to account for the observed data. Despite your attempts to degrade and downplay the conclusions apparent in the actual observed events and phenomena you consistently do little more than try to divert providing nothing definite to support whatever thesis you have and will not state nor back up with sound reasoning taking into account all aspects of the observed events.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water. That's for an ENTIRE max range flight of 6100 statute miles, where on the other hand it'd take 265,000 gallons to create a 500 mile long contrail from your claims on water density in terms of water vapor. And that's not even attacking the claim you make here, where you claim there is OVER a 100% conversion of kerosene to water. Hell, maybe they should just burn kerosene out there in the desert and drink all that water it makes.
what's the minimum cubic feet necessary in a contrail to make it visible from the ground?
First off, why does the government ridicule and silence those who even ASK what those jets are up to? Secondly, here's the answer to your question; Do a Google search for "chemtrail illness" Results 1 - 10 of about 138,000 for chemtrail illness
it's not my fault you are so ignorant of basic chemistry.
i didnt say anything about "chemtrail illness" i repeat my request: please post evidence of increased mortality under areas of high "chemtrail" traffic, please post results of postmortems blaming those deaths on substances found in "chemtrails".
Doesn't matter what I say, you'd find a way to question it. Thing is, contrails ARE visible from the ground, just as CHEMTRAILS are, and there is not enough water converted from kerosene in jet fuel to create contrails, it comes from the water vapor present in the air which the jets are flying through for the most part. IF the water vapor were solely from the combustion products, then virtually EVERY jet would leave contrails at cruising altitude, and it's quite obvious that they don't. In fact, you use a 747 as an example, yet small military fighters leave contrails just like big commercial aircraft, yet carry MUCH less fuel.
and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water. when that water is emitted as water vapor, it occupies much more space than it does when it's in liquid form. Again disengenuous and outright dishonest - through omission of key data. Natural contrails are only formed above 33,000 feet and consist of ice crystals i.e., frozen water vapor. They persist only until the ice cystals melt back into unobservable clear water vapor - which abounds in the atmosphere. 50,000 sounds like a big number, and I won't even bother to dispute it because what is relevant is that the water vapor only becomes visible as a contrail when frozen, and the conditions to do so vary with atmospheric density and temperature. A plane below the critical altitude where the water freezes into cystals flies merrily along nonetheless - and should ordinarily leave no visible contrail regardless of the amount of water vapor emitted in the exhaust as it does not freeze into reflective ice crystals. What you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping it will stick. Unfortunately for you, and your disinformation line, it is a slippery wall. One thing is apparent though is that you are twisting and turning in every attempt to deny what people have actually observed and photographed.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
if one gallon of jet fuel produces thousands of cubic feet of contrail, and the aircraft is burning a gallon a second, then what? assume an airplane is visible from the ground... how many cubic feet are in that airplane? if the airplane is visible, and it's producing contrails of equal or greater cubiic feet, we have to assume the contrail will be visible.
Do your own research. Do you think the TV tells you everything and anything there is to know, and that they are 100% honest in what the TV news DOES tell you? Do you think tightly controlled media outlets are going to research chemtrail related illnesses and do statistical research on it? Look up MKULTRA and the various LSD experiments they did, such as poisoning an entire town in France by spiking the local bakery's bread with LSD. Do you think the news media did health studies on that?
What he's saying is that you get more water by burning kerosene than the amount of kerosene itself. Like I said, perhaps instead of worrying about where to get water from, Middle Eastern nations should just burn that kerosene and drink all the water it makes.. LOL
in other words, you are unable to post evidence of increased mortality figures caused by chemtrails. all you have is complaints from chemtrail hypochondriacs.
Huh? Not hard to figure a plane's total volume, but how does that relate to either contrails or chemtrails in terms of water vapor?
Did you even bother clicking on any of the links returned by Google? You are one dishonest litle man groundresonance. You must be a sleeper, as you appeared to be a good guy on other threads.
how much does a gallon of gasoline weigh? ...say 7 pounds. how much does the co2 weigh as a combustion product of burning 7 pounds of gas? over 19 pounds? ...how can that be? well, it cant be if you're ignorant of chemistry, can it?
Yeah, and so what?
So you're saying you can get more water from a gallon of gas than you can from a gallon bottle of water, correct?
if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.
Hell, those fires in the WTC towers should have just put themselves right out with all that water than came from the fire, eh?
And if a coin has two sides, it has more than one side. Are you trying the philosophical approach now?
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#136. To: FormerLurker, Original Intent (#130)
A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.
#137. To: groundresonance (#131)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#138. To: buckeroo (#136)
As OI puts his position: ...The Shadow Government....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker (#135)
not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
#140. To: groundresonance, RickyJ, burckeroo (#135)
not only that, but a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#141. To: buckeroo (#139)
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a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...
#142. To: FormerLurker (#137)
You know, the more you argue talking points, the more you make it clear you are not posting because you truly believe what you post, but are simply posting standard talking (aka propaganda) points.
#143. To: groundresonance (#141)
you just cant keep a secret, can you?
#144. To: FormerLurker (#140)
didn't you say it would take a 747 with tons of it to cause a 5 mile trail?
#145. To: FormerLurker (#140)
a 5 mile trail?
#146. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent FormerLurker, wudidiz, randge, all (#135)
H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons
#147. To: groundresonance (#144)
you might oughta ask a firefighter who's been knocked flat by a retardant drop if retardant is vapor.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#148. To: FormerLurker (#147)
earlier you were equating contrails and chemtrails with retardant drops.
#149. To: FormerLurker (#147)
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#150. To: FormerLurker (#147)
#151. To: buckeroo (#145)
Review your physics, man! In space, there is volume w-l-h. It is three dimensional in scope.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: groundresonance (#150)
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just out of curiosity... what is the purpose of your supposed "chemtrails"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#153. To: groundresonance (#148)
i was pointing out that a fully loaded 747 could only haul enough retardant to make a swath five miles long, let alone haul enough... whatever... to produce hours of "chemtrails".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: FormerLurker (#151)
a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel
How Much Water In Gallons Per Cubic Foot Of Air At 74 Degrees F And 40% Relative Humidity?
#155. To: FormerLurker (#152)
weather modification
#156. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#149)
of course, it's way too simple to acknowledge the fact that your "chemtrails" are contrails, formed by water, which is produced by burning the tons of fuel carried by the aircraft.
#157. To: groundresonance (#154)
a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)
#159. To: groundresonance (#155)
please post evidence of increased mortality under high density "chemtrail" traffic areas.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#160. To: FormerLurker (#157)
is OVER a 100% conversion of kerosene to water.
#161. To: FormerLurker (#159)
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chemtrail illness
#162. To: groundresonance (#158)
what's the minimum cubic feet necessary in a contrail to make it visible from the ground?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: groundresonance (#154)
a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel
#164. To: FormerLurker (#162)
#165. To: groundresonance (#161)
i repeat my request: please post evidence of increased mortality under areas of high "chemtrail" traffic, please post results of postmortems blaming those deaths on substances found in "chemtrails".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: Original_Intent (#163)
50,000 sounds like a big number, and I won't even bother to dispute
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#165)
#168. To: groundresonance (#164)
assume an airplane is visible from the ground... how many cubic feet are in that airplane?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: groundresonance (#167)
in other words, you are unable to post evidence of increased mortality figures caused by chemtrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#170. To: FormerLurker (#166)
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#171. To: groundresonance (#164)
if the airplane is visible, and it's producing contrails of equal or greater cubiic feet, we have to assume the contrail will be visible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#172. To: groundresonance (#170)
how much does a gallon of gasoline weigh? ...say 7 pounds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: FormerLurker (#171)
#174. To: groundresonance (#170)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#175. To: groundresonance (#173)
if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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