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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
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#157. To: groundresonance (#154)

a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel

and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water.

That's for an ENTIRE max range flight of 6100 statute miles, where on the other hand it'd take 265,000 gallons to create a 500 mile long contrail from your claims on water density in terms of water vapor.

And that's not even attacking the claim you make here, where you claim there is OVER a 100% conversion of kerosene to water. Hell, maybe they should just burn kerosene out there in the desert and drink all that water it makes.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)

what's the minimum cubic feet necessary in a contrail to make it visible from the ground?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#159. To: groundresonance (#155)

please post evidence of increased mortality under high density "chemtrail" traffic areas.

First off, why does the government ridicule and silence those who even ASK what those jets are up to?

Secondly, here's the answer to your question;

Do a Google search for "chemtrail illness"

Results 1 - 10 of about 138,000 for chemtrail illness

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#160. To: FormerLurker (#157)

is OVER a 100% conversion of kerosene to water.

it's not my fault you are so ignorant of basic chemistry.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#161. To: FormerLurker (#159) (Edited)

chemtrail illness

i didnt say anything about "chemtrail illness"

i repeat my request: please post evidence of increased mortality under areas of high "chemtrail" traffic, please post results of postmortems blaming those deaths on substances found in "chemtrails".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#162. To: groundresonance (#158)

what's the minimum cubic feet necessary in a contrail to make it visible from the ground?

Doesn't matter what I say, you'd find a way to question it. Thing is, contrails ARE visible from the ground, just as CHEMTRAILS are, and there is not enough water converted from kerosene in jet fuel to create contrails, it comes from the water vapor present in the air which the jets are flying through for the most part. IF the water vapor were solely from the combustion products, then virtually EVERY jet would leave contrails at cruising altitude, and it's quite obvious that they don't.

In fact, you use a 747 as an example, yet small military fighters leave contrails just like big commercial aircraft, yet carry MUCH less fuel.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#163. To: groundresonance (#154)

a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel

and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water.

when that water is emitted as water vapor, it occupies much more space than it does when it's in liquid form.

Again disengenuous and outright dishonest - through omission of key data. Natural contrails are only formed above 33,000 feet and consist of ice crystals i.e., frozen water vapor. They persist only until the ice cystals melt back into unobservable clear water vapor - which abounds in the atmosphere.

50,000 sounds like a big number, and I won't even bother to dispute it because what is relevant is that the water vapor only becomes visible as a contrail when frozen, and the conditions to do so vary with atmospheric density and temperature. A plane below the critical altitude where the water freezes into cystals flies merrily along nonetheless - and should ordinarily leave no visible contrail regardless of the amount of water vapor emitted in the exhaust as it does not freeze into reflective ice crystals.

What you are doing is throwing shit against the wall hoping it will stick. Unfortunately for you, and your disinformation line, it is a slippery wall.

One thing is apparent though is that you are twisting and turning in every attempt to deny what people have actually observed and photographed.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#164. To: FormerLurker (#162)

if one gallon of jet fuel produces thousands of cubic feet of contrail, and the aircraft is burning a gallon a second, then what?

assume an airplane is visible from the ground... how many cubic feet are in that airplane?

if the airplane is visible, and it's producing contrails of equal or greater cubiic feet, we have to assume the contrail will be visible.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#165. To: groundresonance (#161)

i repeat my request: please post evidence of increased mortality under areas of high "chemtrail" traffic, please post results of postmortems blaming those deaths on substances found in "chemtrails".

Do your own research. Do you think the TV tells you everything and anything there is to know, and that they are 100% honest in what the TV news DOES tell you?

Do you think tightly controlled media outlets are going to research chemtrail related illnesses and do statistical research on it?

Look up MKULTRA and the various LSD experiments they did, such as poisoning an entire town in France by spiking the local bakery's bread with LSD. Do you think the news media did health studies on that?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#166. To: Original_Intent (#163)

50,000 sounds like a big number, and I won't even bother to dispute

What he's saying is that you get more water by burning kerosene than the amount of kerosene itself. Like I said, perhaps instead of worrying about where to get water from, Middle Eastern nations should just burn that kerosene and drink all the water it makes.. LOL

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#167. To: FormerLurker (#165)

in other words, you are unable to post evidence of increased mortality figures caused by chemtrails.

all you have is complaints from chemtrail hypochondriacs.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#168. To: groundresonance (#164)

assume an airplane is visible from the ground... how many cubic feet are in that airplane?

Huh? Not hard to figure a plane's total volume, but how does that relate to either contrails or chemtrails in terms of water vapor?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#169. To: groundresonance (#167)

in other words, you are unable to post evidence of increased mortality figures caused by chemtrails.

Did you even bother clicking on any of the links returned by Google? You are one dishonest litle man groundresonance. You must be a sleeper, as you appeared to be a good guy on other threads.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#170. To: FormerLurker (#166) (Edited)

how much does a gallon of gasoline weigh? ...say 7 pounds.

how much does the co2 weigh as a combustion product of burning 7 pounds of gas?

over 19 pounds? ...how can that be?

well, it cant be if you're ignorant of chemistry, can it?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#171. To: groundresonance (#164)

if the airplane is visible, and it's producing contrails of equal or greater cubiic feet, we have to assume the contrail will be visible.

Yeah, and so what?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#172. To: groundresonance (#170)

how much does a gallon of gasoline weigh? ...say 7 pounds.

So you're saying you can get more water from a gallon of gas than you can from a gallon bottle of water, correct?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#173. To: FormerLurker (#171)

if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#174. To: groundresonance (#170)

Hell, those fires in the WTC towers should have just put themselves right out with all that water than came from the fire, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#175. To: groundresonance (#173)

if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.

And if a coin has two sides, it has more than one side. Are you trying the philosophical approach now?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#176. To: FormerLurker (#172) (Edited)

you're saying you can get more water from a gallon of gas

apparently you cant read.

i said you got 19 pounds of co2, not water, from burning 7 pounds of gasoline.

you get just a little less water from burning a gallon of gas than you'd get from a gallon jug of water, assuming your water supplier is honest.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#177. To: groundresonance (#176)

i said you got 19 pounds of co2, not water, from burning 7 pounds of gasoline.

You said you get 50,000 gallons of water from 48,445 gallons of kerosene, don't lie.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#178. To: FormerLurker (#177)

You said you get 50,000 gallons of water from 48,445 gallons of kerosene, don't lie.

kerosene is not gasoline.

kerosene produces more water than gasoline when it burns, not much, but some.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#179. To: groundresonance (#154)

a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel

and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water

Are you trying to say you didn't make the above post?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#180. To: FormerLurker (#179)

are you saying that you cant read?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#181. To: groundresonance (#178)

kerosene produces more water than gasoline when it burns, not much, but some.

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#182. To: groundresonance (#180)

are you saying that you cant read?

I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#183. To: FormerLurker (#181)

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

yup.

if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#184. To: FormerLurker (#182)

are you saying that you cant read?

I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.

"Beeeautiful Brown Eyes
Beautiful Brown Eyes ..."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#185. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#183)

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

yup.

if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.

And the formula for that chemical equation is?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#186. To: groundresonance (#180)

Even IF there was a unity conversion or slightly higher in terms of transforming kerosene to water, there is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles or so according to your kerosene to water and contrail density claims, yet it has an actual range of 6100 miles.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#187. To: Original_Intent (#185) (Edited)

And the formula for that chemical equation is?

C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#188. To: FormerLurker, gruntresonance (#186)

Why should he let a little trifle like physical impossibility get in the way of a good disinformation line?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#189. To: groundresonance (#187)

C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there. You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#190. To: FormerLurker (#186)

is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles

if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#191. To: FormerLurker (#189) (Edited)

Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there.

take it up with wikipedia, or look up the reaction elsewhere.

Today kerosene is mainly used in fuel for jet engines (more technically Avtur, Jet A, Jet A-1, Jet B, JP-4, JP-5, JP-7 or JP-8). One form of the fuel known as RP-1 is burned with liquid oxygen as rocket fuel. These fuel grade kerosenes meet specifications for smoke points and freeze points.

The combustion reaction can be approximated as follows, with the molecular formula C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#192. To: groundresonance (#190)

if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.

No shit Sherlock, but for it to create the amount of water you claim exists in a contrail, even WITH the conversion of kerosene to water which you claim (you're claiming the engine is combusting the kerosene COMPLETELY and running at 100% efficiency for your conversion claims to "hold water"), for the contrails formed to have the density you claim, the 747 would have to burn a LOT more fuel than the 1 gallon per second that it DOES burn.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#193. To: FormerLurker (#192)

the water is formed by a combination of hydrogen in the fuel and oxygen in the air.

just as the co2 is formed by a combination of carbon in the fuel and oxygen in the air.

you are too ignorant of chemistry to understand the basic mechanisms at work, here... which is why you have no business posting on this thread.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#194. To: groundresonance (#187) (Edited)

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

Close but no cigar. The combustion reaction in a Jet Engine (Aviation Fuel) in general terms is:

CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O

Which does not account for your claim on the production of water vapor (before crystalization) as being greater than unity.

However, this is all a diversion from the main point which is that it does not demonstrate how contrails are formed at altitudes under 33,000 feet since the atmospheric temperature is not cold enough to promote the rapid formation of ice cystals from the water vapor exiting the exhaust.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#195. To: Original_Intent (#194) (Edited)

being greater than unity.

"unity" has nothing to do with it, seeing as how the chemical reaction is sustained by grabbing oxygen out of the atmosphere.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#196. To: FormerLurker (#189)

You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?

Don't give it away - I was having a good laugh.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#197. To: groundresonance (#195)

Still dodging and weaving. Sigh.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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