Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Mar 13, 2010 Author:kevin604bc Post Date:2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz Keywords:None Views:22603 Comments:715
if the airplane is visible, and it's producing contrails of equal or greater cubiic feet, we have to assume the contrail will be visible.
Yeah, and so what?
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how much does a gallon of gasoline weigh? ...say 7 pounds.
So you're saying you can get more water from a gallon of gas than you can from a gallon bottle of water, correct?
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if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.
Hell, those fires in the WTC towers should have just put themselves right out with all that water than came from the fire, eh?
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if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.
And if a coin has two sides, it has more than one side. Are you trying the philosophical approach now?
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i said you got 19 pounds of co2, not water, from burning 7 pounds of gasoline.
You said you get 50,000 gallons of water from 48,445 gallons of kerosene, don't lie.
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and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water
Are you trying to say you didn't make the above post?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
kerosene produces more water than gasoline when it burns, not much, but some.
So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?
yup.
if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.
I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.
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#185. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#183)
So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?
yup.
if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.
And the formula for that chemical equation is?
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Even IF there was a unity conversion or slightly higher in terms of transforming kerosene to water, there is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles or so according to your kerosene to water and contrail density claims, yet it has an actual range of 6100 miles.
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Why should he let a little trifle like physical impossibility get in the way of a good disinformation line?
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Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there. You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?
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is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles
if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.
Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there.
take it up with wikipedia, or look up the reaction elsewhere.
Today kerosene is mainly used in fuel for jet engines (more technically Avtur, Jet A, Jet A-1, Jet B, JP-4, JP-5, JP-7 or JP-8). One form of the fuel known as RP-1 is burned with liquid oxygen as rocket fuel. These fuel grade kerosenes meet specifications for smoke points and freeze points.
The combustion reaction can be approximated as follows, with the molecular formula C12H26:
if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.
No shit Sherlock, but for it to create the amount of water you claim exists in a contrail, even WITH the conversion of kerosene to water which you claim (you're claiming the engine is combusting the kerosene COMPLETELY and running at 100% efficiency for your conversion claims to "hold water"), for the contrails formed to have the density you claim, the 747 would have to burn a LOT more fuel than the 1 gallon per second that it DOES burn.
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Close but no cigar. The combustion reaction in a Jet Engine (Aviation Fuel) in general terms is:
CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O
Which does not account for your claim on the production of water vapor (before crystalization) as being greater than unity.
However, this is all a diversion from the main point which is that it does not demonstrate how contrails are formed at altitudes under 33,000 feet since the atmospheric temperature is not cold enough to promote the rapid formation of ice cystals from the water vapor exiting the exhaust.
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You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?
Don't give it away - I was having a good laugh.
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so it looks like we take two molecules of kerosene and 37 molecules of O2 oxygen, then burn them to get 24 molecules of co2 and 26 molecules of water.
now then, you can plug in the atomic weights and densities and all that and calculate how much water, in volume of liquid water, you get from a gallon of kerosene.
but really, the operative thing here is the fact that the water is expelled as water vapor, which spreads out into thousands of cubic feet as it's expelled into the atmosphere, where it condenses and freezes to form "condensation trails", aka "contrails".
And the result is in units of energy (ie. energy produced by the combustion), not mass.
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but really, the operative thing here is that not enough water is produced from the total fuel capacity of a 747 to fly a little over 1000 miles if your claims on contrail density are correct.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
the operative thing here is that not enough water is produced from the total fuel capacity of a 747 to fly a little over 1000 miles if your claims on contrail density are correct.
i will explain one more time: the fuel aboard the aircraft combines, during combustion, with air in the atmosphere to produce more mass, after combustion, than is carried on the airplane.
You certainly think you're convincing people here with your smoke and mirrors, eh? The fact is, it is UNKNOWN what the CHEMTRAILS consist of, and it may well not be water vapor. If they were, then there wouldn't be any problem, but it wouldn't make sense to go to the expense of producing water based trails DELIBERATELY. Other gases react differently than water, such as CO2 as it melts from dry ice to gas, or various other fogs created for stage events for instance. I'm sure there are a few other fogs that can be created that have nothing to do with water vapor, and utilize much less material than that needed to form REGULAR contrails.
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apparently every molecule of kerosene grabs 16 and a half molecules of O2 out of the atmosphere during combustion.
since kerosene has more hydrogen in it than gasoline, and the hydrogen combines with atmospheric oxygen to form water, kerosene produces more water than gasoline does, and even produces more volume of water than the original volume of kerosene.
now that's just how it is, and no amount of ignorance can obscure that fact.
i will explain one more time: the fuel aboard the aircraft combines, during combustion, with air in the atmosphere to produce more mass, after combustion, than is carried on the airplane.
You have already said that. Thing is, there is a very slight difference between the original mass of fuel and the final mass of water, under COMPLETE and CLEAN combustion. Even WITH that in mind, your claims don't add up.
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now then, seeing as how "chemtrails" are such a dire, if undocumented threat to human life, why hasnt someone chartered a jet to go up and sample those supposed "chemtrails"?
Thing is, you were trying to equate the mass required to form CHEMTRAILS with that required to lay down 5 miles of flame retardant powder. YOU started this BS with that absurd claim, and your numbers STILL don't add up in terms of fuel required to create REGULAR contrails if the contrail density is as you claim.
But again, that is just a non-sequitor you tossed out to confuse the discussion.
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why hasnt someone chartered a jet to go up and sample those supposed "chemtrails"?
Call your nearest Air Force base and ask them.
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if a 747, loaded with 48,000 gallons of fuel, burns a gallon a second (while producing a little over a gallon of water in that same second), then the 747 will have enough fuel to run for 13 hours.
if the 747 burns a gallon a second, it burns 60 gallons a minute, or 3600 gallons an hour.
if it burns 3600 gallons of kerosene an hour, that means it's also producing 3600 gallons of water per hour, or about 14.4 tons of water per hour.
that water, as water vapor, spreads out in the atmosphere as it cools, condenses and freezes in tiny droplets that are visible as a cloud of condensation, aka contrails.