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#174. To: groundresonance (#170)

Hell, those fires in the WTC towers should have just put themselves right out with all that water than came from the fire, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#175. To: groundresonance (#173)

if an airplane occupies thousands of cubic feet, and is visible from the ground, then, if the airplane is producing a contrail that occupies thousands of cubic feet every second, it's likely that contrail will be visible.

And if a coin has two sides, it has more than one side. Are you trying the philosophical approach now?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#176. To: FormerLurker (#172) (Edited)

you're saying you can get more water from a gallon of gas

apparently you cant read.

i said you got 19 pounds of co2, not water, from burning 7 pounds of gasoline.

you get just a little less water from burning a gallon of gas than you'd get from a gallon jug of water, assuming your water supplier is honest.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#177. To: groundresonance (#176)

i said you got 19 pounds of co2, not water, from burning 7 pounds of gasoline.

You said you get 50,000 gallons of water from 48,445 gallons of kerosene, don't lie.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#178. To: FormerLurker (#177)

You said you get 50,000 gallons of water from 48,445 gallons of kerosene, don't lie.

kerosene is not gasoline.

kerosene produces more water than gasoline when it burns, not much, but some.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#179. To: groundresonance (#154)

a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel

and when that fuel is burned, it produces about 50,000 gallons of water

Are you trying to say you didn't make the above post?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#180. To: FormerLurker (#179)

are you saying that you cant read?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#181. To: groundresonance (#178)

kerosene produces more water than gasoline when it burns, not much, but some.

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#182. To: groundresonance (#180)

are you saying that you cant read?

I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#183. To: FormerLurker (#181)

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

yup.

if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#184. To: FormerLurker (#182)

are you saying that you cant read?

I'm saying that you are full of shit, and that's not even counting the gas/kerosene to water thing.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#185. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#183)

So you're saying I can get more water from a glass of kerosene than I can from a glass of water, eh?

yup.

if your combustion is complete, and you have a good way to condense the water out of the combustion exhaust, you will get more water from burning a glass of kerosene than you would from the same glass filled with water.

And the formula for that chemical equation is?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#186. To: groundresonance (#180)

Even IF there was a unity conversion or slightly higher in terms of transforming kerosene to water, there is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles or so according to your kerosene to water and contrail density claims, yet it has an actual range of 6100 miles.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   23:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#187. To: Original_Intent (#185) (Edited)

And the formula for that chemical equation is?

C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   23:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#188. To: FormerLurker, gruntresonance (#186)

Why should he let a little trifle like physical impossibility get in the way of a good disinformation line?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   23:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#189. To: groundresonance (#187)

C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there. You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#190. To: FormerLurker (#186)

is barely enough fuel capacity on a 747 to fly 1000 miles

if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#191. To: FormerLurker (#189) (Edited)

Not even a good cut and paste job, it's not even a valid equation with all the HTML remnants you have in there.

take it up with wikipedia, or look up the reaction elsewhere.

Today kerosene is mainly used in fuel for jet engines (more technically Avtur, Jet A, Jet A-1, Jet B, JP-4, JP-5, JP-7 or JP-8). One form of the fuel known as RP-1 is burned with liquid oxygen as rocket fuel. These fuel grade kerosenes meet specifications for smoke points and freeze points.

The combustion reaction can be approximated as follows, with the molecular formula C12H26:

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#192. To: groundresonance (#190)

if a 747 holds 48,000 gallons, and it burns a gallon a second (meanwhile, producing a gallon of water each second), that 747 will have enough fuel to fly 13 hours.

No shit Sherlock, but for it to create the amount of water you claim exists in a contrail, even WITH the conversion of kerosene to water which you claim (you're claiming the engine is combusting the kerosene COMPLETELY and running at 100% efficiency for your conversion claims to "hold water"), for the contrails formed to have the density you claim, the 747 would have to burn a LOT more fuel than the 1 gallon per second that it DOES burn.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#193. To: FormerLurker (#192)

the water is formed by a combination of hydrogen in the fuel and oxygen in the air.

just as the co2 is formed by a combination of carbon in the fuel and oxygen in the air.

you are too ignorant of chemistry to understand the basic mechanisms at work, here... which is why you have no business posting on this thread.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#194. To: groundresonance (#187) (Edited)

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

Close but no cigar. The combustion reaction in a Jet Engine (Aviation Fuel) in general terms is:

CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O

Which does not account for your claim on the production of water vapor (before crystalization) as being greater than unity.

However, this is all a diversion from the main point which is that it does not demonstrate how contrails are formed at altitudes under 33,000 feet since the atmospheric temperature is not cold enough to promote the rapid formation of ice cystals from the water vapor exiting the exhaust.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#195. To: Original_Intent (#194) (Edited)

being greater than unity.

"unity" has nothing to do with it, seeing as how the chemical reaction is sustained by grabbing oxygen out of the atmosphere.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#196. To: FormerLurker (#189)

You do realize the result of the equation is in terms of energy (Joules, or kilo Joules to be specific), not gallons or pounds, right?

Don't give it away - I was having a good laugh.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#197. To: groundresonance (#195)

Still dodging and weaving. Sigh.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-14   0:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#198. To: Original_Intent (#197) (Edited)

here's another equation for the combustion of kerosene:

2C12H26 (l) + 37O2(g) ---> 24CO2(g) + 26H2O(g) [AH.rxn = -1.50 x104 kJ]

so it looks like we take two molecules of kerosene and 37 molecules of O2 oxygen, then burn them to get 24 molecules of co2 and 26 molecules of water.

now then, you can plug in the atomic weights and densities and all that and calculate how much water, in volume of liquid water, you get from a gallon of kerosene.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#199. To: Original_Intent (#197) (Edited)

but really, the operative thing here is the fact that the water is expelled as water vapor, which spreads out into thousands of cubic feet as it's expelled into the atmosphere, where it condenses and freezes to form "condensation trails", aka "contrails".

neat how that works, huh?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#200. To: groundresonance (#191)

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) [4; 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); g0;HÚ = -7513 kJ

The proper formula is as follows;

C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) → 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g); Δ H° = -7513 kJ

And the result is in units of energy (ie. energy produced by the combustion), not mass.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#201. To: groundresonance (#199)

but really, the operative thing here

but really, the operative thing here is that not enough water is produced from the total fuel capacity of a 747 to fly a little over 1000 miles if your claims on contrail density are correct.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#202. To: FormerLurker (#201)

the operative thing here is that not enough water is produced from the total fuel capacity of a 747 to fly a little over 1000 miles if your claims on contrail density are correct.

i will explain one more time: the fuel aboard the aircraft combines, during combustion, with air in the atmosphere to produce more mass, after combustion, than is carried on the airplane.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#203. To: groundresonance (#199)

neat how that works, huh?

You certainly think you're convincing people here with your smoke and mirrors, eh? The fact is, it is UNKNOWN what the CHEMTRAILS consist of, and it may well not be water vapor. If they were, then there wouldn't be any problem, but it wouldn't make sense to go to the expense of producing water based trails DELIBERATELY. Other gases react differently than water, such as CO2 as it melts from dry ice to gas, or various other fogs created for stage events for instance. I'm sure there are a few other fogs that can be created that have nothing to do with water vapor, and utilize much less material than that needed to form REGULAR contrails.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#204. To: FormerLurker (#201)

apparently every molecule of kerosene grabs 16 and a half molecules of O2 out of the atmosphere during combustion.

since kerosene has more hydrogen in it than gasoline, and the hydrogen combines with atmospheric oxygen to form water, kerosene produces more water than gasoline does, and even produces more volume of water than the original volume of kerosene.

now that's just how it is, and no amount of ignorance can obscure that fact.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#205. To: FormerLurker (#203)

is UNKNOWN what the CHEMTRAILS consist of

good.

we're making headway.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#206. To: groundresonance (#202)

i will explain one more time: the fuel aboard the aircraft combines, during combustion, with air in the atmosphere to produce more mass, after combustion, than is carried on the airplane.

You have already said that. Thing is, there is a very slight difference between the original mass of fuel and the final mass of water, under COMPLETE and CLEAN combustion. Even WITH that in mind, your claims don't add up.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#207. To: FormerLurker (#203)

now then, seeing as how "chemtrails" are such a dire, if undocumented threat to human life, why hasnt someone chartered a jet to go up and sample those supposed "chemtrails"?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#208. To: groundresonance (#205)

we're making headway.

Thing is, you were trying to equate the mass required to form CHEMTRAILS with that required to lay down 5 miles of flame retardant powder. YOU started this BS with that absurd claim, and your numbers STILL don't add up in terms of fuel required to create REGULAR contrails if the contrail density is as you claim.

But again, that is just a non-sequitor you tossed out to confuse the discussion.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#209. To: groundresonance (#207)

why hasnt someone chartered a jet to go up and sample those supposed "chemtrails"?

Call your nearest Air Force base and ask them.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-14   0:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#210. To: FormerLurker (#206)

your claims don't add up

if a 747, loaded with 48,000 gallons of fuel, burns a gallon a second (while producing a little over a gallon of water in that same second), then the 747 will have enough fuel to run for 13 hours.

if the 747 burns a gallon a second, it burns 60 gallons a minute, or 3600 gallons an hour.

if it burns 3600 gallons of kerosene an hour, that means it's also producing 3600 gallons of water per hour, or about 14.4 tons of water per hour.

that water, as water vapor, spreads out in the atmosphere as it cools, condenses and freezes in tiny droplets that are visible as a cloud of condensation, aka contrails.

what's so hard to understand about all that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#211. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, formerlurker (#13)

Here is a website where the phenomena is thoroughly documented and explored:

you know, people can bicker back and forth about this until time ends. the simple fact of the matter is that vomit colorored tic-tac-toe grids in the skies across murika is not normal, and it's beyond absurd, borderline retarded for anyone to even suggest so. debate over. next?

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Artisan  posted on  2010-03-14   0:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#212. To: FormerLurker (#209) (Edited)

why hasnt someone chartered a jet to go up and sample those supposed "chemtrails"?

Call your nearest Air Force base and ask them.

in other words, you cant explain why, of the thousands of bizjets available, nobody cares enough about "chemtrails" rent a jet and go up and take a sample.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#213. To: Artisan (#211) (Edited)

vomit colorored tic-tac-toe grids in the skies across murika is not normal

yup, you're right.

if god had meant us to fly, he'd have given us rotorblades.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   0:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#214. To: groundresonance (#199)

but really, the operative thing here is the fact that the water is expelled as water vapor, which spreads out into thousands of cubic feet as it's expelled into the atmosphere, where it condenses and freezes to form "condensation trails", aka "contrails".

neat how that works, huh?

Spoken like a true "B" Student in H.S. General Science leaving out the key component provision i.e., at a specified altitude and temperature because ALL of the conditions have to be met for natural contrails to form.

Keep trying though I just love the way you wipe the drool off your chin at each misstep. Just try not to get it on the carpet. K'?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

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