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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#232. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, randge, Lod, Artisan, ground resonance, buckeroo, all (#151)

Did or did not groundresonance state the following?

a gallon of water, when it's vaporized, occupies thousands of cubic feet...

Now if you look at a trail, whether it's a regular contrail or a chemtrail, it is 3 dimensional, is it not? Cubic feet is a measure of volume (ie. 3 dimensional space) buck, in case you didn't know. The thing is, the LENGTH is MUCH greater than the circular cross section, where the circular cross section of a regular contrail might be say 30 feet in diameter. Since area of a circle is Pi * (radius)Squared, or Pi * (diameter/2)Squared, then 3.14 * (15)Squared is 706.5 square feet. So every 10 feet of length gives you 7065 cubic feet of water vapor, from what he claims, in the area of what he claims as "thousands of cubic feet per gallon". SO, if this were true, and since there are 5280 feet in a mile, then there would have to be 528 gallons of water per mile, or 2640 gallons in five miles. If the water comes from the jet fuel, and even IF there was a 100% conversion of jet fuel to water (which of course there isn't), then the jet would burn 2650 gallons of fuel every 5 miles. In order to fly 500 miles, it'd have to burn 265,000 gallons of fuel. Jets can fly THOUSANDS of miles, yet a 747 only holds 48,445 gallons of fuel, and only consumes about 5 gallons per mile, not 528 or more.

See where this is going?

Wow, I never expected this thread to get more than a few comments.

I'm no scientist, that's for sure. After grade 12 chemistry I swore to never take a science class again. In university they made me take 1 science course in the first year so I took the one psychology course that qualified as a science course.

I'm relying on simple knowledge and a reasonably good memory (they weren't around 20 years ago) to know that chemtrails stretching across the sky and spreading into a thin white haze are not contrails.

I tend to agree with randge that ground resonance is not a shill. If he is he's a lousy one. Although he uses disinfo-like arguing tactics, I think he's just doing that because he's made up his mind already and that's the only way he can argue his point.

More disturbing to me than the actual chemtrails themselves is the public reaction or non-reaction to them by those who think they're contrails.

"Oh foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?" - Adam Weishaupt


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   3:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, randge, Lod, Artisan, buckeroo, all (#231)
(Edited)

These are fairly sensible questions although you might try approaching the issue with an open mind since you seem relatively new to it and uninformed about it.

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation” (most popularly attributed to Herbert Spencer)

you guys dont seem to have any idea of the scale of this supposed "chemtrail" operation.

It's huge.

if the operation had any scale to it at all, wouldnt there be paper trails, too?

There are.

wouldnt there be ground support equipment?

There must be.

wouldnt there be mechanics who installed the machinery on the airplanes?

Of course.

wouldnt there be lab workers who fabricated whatever it is that's supposedly being sprayed?

Probably at least some.

wouldnt there be people who, out of a sense of self-preservation, would blow a whistle?

Not necessarily, although some have.

and what about the people making money on this "chemtrail" industry?

The military industrial complex, oil industry and aluminum manufacturers (who make money off fluoride being put in water and toothpaste?)

wouldnt they be well-served to hire a jet to take conclusive samples, witnessed by people of unimpeachable character?

People have done that if I remember right.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: Rotara (#233)

Forgot to ping you to the last two posts.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: wudidiz (#233) (Edited)

seems to me you'd have real evidence of such a "huge" operation, other than photographs that give people no clue as to the altitude of the airplane, or the temperature and humidity of the air mass at that altitude.

please post documentary evidence of "chemtrail" spray operations, other than normal agricultural or fire suppression operations.

please post evidence of support machinery used in "chemtrail" operations, other than normal agricultural or fire suppression operations.

please post verifiable testimony from mechanics who are involved in installing and/or maintaining "chemtrail" equipment on airplanes or ground support machinery, other than that used in normal agricultural or fire suppression operations.

please tell us what chemicals are being sprayed, and why they're being sprayed, please post evidence of chemical fabrication labs, please post testimony from chemists involved in fabricating the chemicals used in "chemtrail" operations.

please explain why people involved in the "huge" "chemtrail" industry are so unconcerned about their own well-being that they are not blowing whistles, left, right and center.

the people making money of the supposed "chemtrail" operation are, in the absence of any evidence of "chemtrails" existence, people selling patent medicines to cure "chemtrail" hypochondfiacs, and people who sell website ads to people who prey on gullible "chemtrail" believers.

please post evidence obtained by a "chemtrail" profiteer hiring a jet, taking samples of "chemtrails" while scrupulously following rules of evidence, and submitting those samples to a reputable lab.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: groundresonance (#235)

Why should I?


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: wudidiz (#236)

Why should I?

...to prove you can?

*shrug*

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: groundresonance (#237)

And what if I don't?


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: wudidiz (#238)

what if I don't?

then i guess we'll have to assume you're full of horse pucky when it comes to "chemtrails"...

*shrug*

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: groundresonance (#239)

Assume all you like.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: wudidiz (#240)

okay

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: groundresonance (#241)

oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb...html&identifier=ADD001671


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: groundresonance (#241)

library.binarydissent.com...R_CONTRAIL_GENERATION.pdf


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: groundresonance (#241)

binarydissent.com/?p=116


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: wudidiz (#242)

of the 85 or 90 thousands flights per day in america, how many of them are equipped with this "Powder Contrail Generation" device?

what are they spreading with this device?

what is the spreading of this... whatever it is... supposed to accomplish?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: groundresonance (#241)

adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978STIN...8011299F


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: groundresonance (#245)

of the 85 or 90 thousands flights per day in america, how many of them are equipped with this "Powder Contrail Generation" device?

what are they spreading with this device?

what is the spreading of this... whatever it is... supposed to accomplish?

Hang on, I'm not done. Read all the links I've just posted and the ones I'm about to post and then let me know if you still have questions.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: groundresonance (#245)

what are they spreading with this device?

what is the spreading of this... whatever it is... supposed to accomplish?

patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/n...4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: wudidiz (#246)

are we to assume that you have no idea whether or not any of these patents ever got off the drawing board?

are we to assume that you have no idea whether or not any of these experiments ever came into common practice?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: wudidiz (#248)

patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/n...4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605

why are you posting HAARP stuff into a thread about "chemtrails" when HAARP is a ground-based experiment?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: groundresonance (#249)

weather-modification

STFU and Look Down - Nothing to see here!

Here are a shitload other patents that relate to weather manipulation. Who knows what chemicals they are spraying on us to get these ones going. Go here http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm and search for any of these patent numbers ;) If you find one that isn’t classified let me know.

Patent # / Date / Description
1338343 – April 27, 1920 – Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 – March 1, 1927 – Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 – June 7, 1927 – Electric Heater – Referenced in 3990987
1665267 – April 10, 1928 – Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 – December 27, 1932 – Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 – October 3, 1933 – Electrical System And Method
1957075 – May 1, 1934 – Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 – November 2, 1937 – Electric Stream Generator – Referenced in 3990987

2409201 – October 15, 1946 – Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 – July 18, 1945 – Smoke Screen Generator
2480967 – September 6, 1949 – Aerial Discharge Device
2550324 – April 24, 1951 – Process For Controlling Weather
2510867 – October 9, 1951 – Method of Crystal Formation and Precipitation
2582678 – June 15, 1952 – Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2591988 – April 8, 1952 – Production of TiO2 Pigments – Referenced in 3899144
2614083 – October 14, 1952 – Metal Chloride Screening Smoke Mixture
2633455 – March 31, 1953 – Smoke Generator

2688069 – August 31, 1954 – Steam Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2721495 – October 25, 1955 – Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2730402 – January 10, 1956 – Controllable Dispersal Device
2801322 – July 30, 1957 – Decomposition Chamber for Monopropellant Fuel – Referenced in 3990987
2881335 – April 7, 1959 – Generation of Electrical Fields
2908442 – October 13, 1959 – Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2986360 – May 30, 1962 – Aerial Insecticide Dusting Device
2963975 – December 13, 1960 – Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet
3126155 – March 24, 1964 – Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator – Referenced in 3990987

3127107 – March 31, 1964 – Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals
3131131 – April 28, 1964 – Electrostatic Mixing in Microbial Conversions
3174150 – March 16, 1965 – Self-Focusing Antenna System
3234357 – February 8, 1966 – Electrically Heated Smoke Producing Device
3274035 – September 20, 1966 – Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 – January 24, 1967 – Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 – April 11, 1967 – Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 – August 29, 1967 – Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers – Referenced in 3990987
3410489 – November 12, 1968 – Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump

3429507 – February 25, 1969 – Rainmaker
3432208 – November 7, 1967 – Fluidized Particle Dispenser
3441214 – April 29, 1969 – Method And Apparatus For Seeding Clouds
3445844 – May 20, 1969 – Trapped Electromagnetic Radiation Communications System
3456880 – July 22, 1969 – Method Of Producing Precipitation From The Atmosphere
3518670 June 30, 1970 – Artificial Ion Cloud
3534906 – October 20, 1970 – Control of Atmospheric Particles
3545677 – December 8, 1970 – Method of Cloud Seeding
3564253 – February 16, 1971 – System And Method For Irradiation Of Planet Surface Areas

3587966 – June 28, 1971 – Freezing Nucleation
3601312 – August 24, 1971 – Methods of Increasing The Likelihood oF Precipatation By The Artificial Introduction Of Sea Water Vapor Into The Atmosphere Winward Of An Air Lift Region
3608810 – September 28, 1971 – Methods of Treating Atmospheric Conditions
3608820 – September 20, 1971 – Treatment of Atmospheric Conditions by Intermittent Dispensing of Materials Therein
3613992 – October 19, 1971 – Weather Modification Method
3630950 – December 28, 1971 – Combustible Compositions For Generating Aerosols, Particularly Suitable For Cloud Modification And Weather Control And Aerosolization Process
USRE29142 – This patent is a reissue of patent US3630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
3659785 – December 8, 1971 – Weather Modification Utilizing Microencapsulated Material
3666176 – March 3, 1972 – Solar Temperature Inversion Device

3677840 – July 18, 1972 – Pyrotechnics Comprising Oxide of Silver For Weather Modification Use
3722183 – March 27, 1973 – Device For Clearing Impurities From The Atmosphere
3769107 – October 30, 1973 – Pyrotechnic Composition For Generating Lead Based Smoke
3784099 – January 8, 1974 – Air Pollution Control Method
3785557 – January 15, 1974 – Cloud Seeding System
3795626 – March 5, 1974 – Weather Modification Process
3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System
3813875 – June 4, 1974 – Rocket Having Barium Release System to Create Ion Clouds In The Upper Atmopsphere
3835059 – September 10, 1974 – Methods of Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification And Apparatus Therefore

3835293 – September 10, 1974 – Electrical Heating Aparatus For Generating Super Heated Vapors – Referenced in 3990987
3877642 – April 15, 1975 – Freezing Nucleant
3882393 – May 6, 1975 – Communications System Utilizing Modulation of The Characteristic Polarization of The Ionosphere
3896993 – July 29, 1975 – Process For Local Modification of Fog And Clouds For Triggering Their Precipitation And For Hindering The Development of Hail Producing Clouds
3899129 – August 12, 1975 – Apparatus for generating ice nuclei smoke particles for weather modification
3899144 – August 12, 1975 – Powder contrail generation
3940059 – February 24, 1976 – Method For Fog Dispersion
3940060 – February 24, 1976 – Vortex Ring Generator
3990987 – November 9, 1976 – Smoke generator

3992628 – November 16, 1976 – Countermeasure system for laser radiation
3994437 – November 30, 1976 – Broadcast dissemination of trace quantities of biologically active chemicals
4042196 – August 16, 1977 – Method and apparatus for triggering a substantial change in earth characteristics and measuring earth changes
RE29,142 – February 22, 1977 – Reissue of: 03630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
4035726 – July 12, 1977 – Method of controlling and/or improving high-latitude and other communications or radio wave surveillance systems by partial control of radio wave et al
4096005 – June 20, 1978 – Pyrotechnic Cloud Seeding Composition
4129252 – December 12, 1978 – Method and apparatus for production of seeding materials
4141274 – February 27, 1979 – Weather modification automatic cartridge dispenser
4167008 – September 4, 1979 – Fluid bed chaff dispenser

4347284 – August 31, 1982 – White cover sheet material capable of reflecting ultraviolet rays
4362271 – December 7, 1982 – Procedure for the artificial modification of atmospheric precipitation as well as compounds with a dimethyl sulfoxide base for use in carrying out said procedure
4402480 – September 6, 1983 – Atmosphere modification satellite
4412654 – November 1, 1983 – Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
4415265 – November 15, 1983 – Method and apparatus for aerosol particle absorption spectroscopy
4470544 – September 11, 1984 – Method of and Means for weather modification
4475927 – October 9, 1984 – Bipolar Fog Abatement System
4600147 – July 15, 1986 – Liquid propane generator for cloud seeding apparatus
4633714 – January 6, 1987 – Aerosol particle charge and size analyzer

4643355 – February 17, 1987 – Method and apparatus for modification of climatic conditions
4653690 – March 31, 1987 – Method of producing cumulus clouds
4684063 – August 4, 1987 – Particulates generation and removal
4686605 – August 11, 1987 – Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth’s atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
4704942 – November 10, 1987 – Charged Aerosol
4712155 – December 8, 1987 – Method and apparatus for creating an artificial electron cyclotron heating region of plasma
4744919 – May 17, 1988 – Method of dispersing particulate aerosol tracer
4766725 – August 30, 1988 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
4829838 – May 16, 1989 – Method and apparatus for the measurement of the size of particles entrained in a gas

4836086 – June 6, 1989 – Apparatus and method for the mixing and diffusion of warm and cold air for dissolving fog
4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation
4948257 – August 14, 1990 – Laser optical measuring device and method for stabilizing fringe pattern spacing
4948050 – August 14, 1990 – Liquid atomizing apparatus for aerial spraying
4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth
5003186 – March 26, 1991 – Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5038664 – August 13, 1991 – Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface
5041760 – August 20, 1991 – Method and apparatus for generating and utilizing a compound plasma configuration

5041834 – August 20, 1991 – Artificial ionospheric mirror composed of a plasma layer which can be tilted
5056357 – October 15, 1991- Acoustic method for measuring properties of a mobile medium
5059909 – October 22, 1991 – Determination of particle size and electrical charge
5104069 – April 14, 1992 – Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft
5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5156802 – October 20, 1992 – Inspection of fuel particles with acoustics
5174498 – December 29, 1992 – Cloud Seeding
5148173 – September 15, 1992 – Millimeter wave screening cloud and method
5245290 – September 14, 1993 – Device for determining the size and charge of colloidal particles by measuring electroacoustic effect

5286979 – February 15, 1994 – Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
5296910 – March 22, 1994 – Method and apparatus for particle analysis
5327222 – July 5, 1994 – Displacement information detecting apparatus
5357865 – October 25, 1994 – Method of cloud seeding
5360162 – November 1, 1994 – Method and composition for precipitation of atmospheric water
5383024 – January 17, 1995 – Optical wet steam monitor
5425413 – June 20, 1995 – Method to hinder the formation and to break-up overhead atmospheric inversions, enhance ground level air circulation and improve urban air quality
5434667 – July 18, 1995 – Characterization of particles by modulated dynamic light scattering
5441200 – August 15, 1995 – Tropical cyclone disruption

5486900 – January 23, 1996 – Measuring device for amount of charge of toner and image forming apparatus having the measuring device
5556029 – September 17, 1996 – Method of hydrometeor dissipation (clouds)
5628455 – May 13, 1997 – Method and apparatus for modification of supercooled fog
5631414 – May 20, 1997 – Method and device for remote diagnostics of ocean-atmosphere system state
5639441 – June 17, 1997 – Methods for fine particle formation
5762298 – June 9, 1998 – Use of artificial satellites in earth orbits adaptively to modify the effect that solar radiation would otherwise have on earth’s weather
5912396 – June 15, 1999 – System and method for remediation of selected atmospheric conditions
5922976 – July 13, 1999 – Method of measuring aerosol particles using automated mobility-classified aerosol detector
5949001 – September 7, 1999 – Method for aerodynamic particle size analysis

5984239 – November 16, 1999 – Weather modification by artificial satellite
6025402 – February 15, 2000 – Chemical composition for effectuating a reduction of visibility obscuration, and a detoxifixation of fumes and chemical fogs in spaces of fire origin
6030506 – February 29, 2000 – Preparation of independently generated highly reactive chemical species
6034073 – March 7, 2000 – Solvent detergent emulsions having antiviral activity
6045089 – April 4, 2000 – Solar-powered airplane
6056203 – May 2, 2000 – Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds
6110590 – August 29, 2000 – Synthetically spun silk nanofibers and a process for making the same
6263744 – July 24, 2001 – Automated mobility-classified-aerosol detector
6281972 – August 28, 2001 – Method and apparatus for measuring particle-size distribution

6315213 – November 13, 2001 – Method of modifying weather
6382526 – May 7, 2002 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6408704 – June 25, 2002 – Aerodynamic particle size analysis method and apparatus
6412416 – July 2, 2002 – Propellant-based aerosol generation devices and method
6520425 – February 18, 2003 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6539812 – April 1, 2003 – System for measuring the flow-rate of a gas by means of ultrasound
6553849 – April 29, 2003 – Electrodynamic particle size analyzer
6569393 – May 27, 2003 – Method and device for cleaning the atmosphere


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:47:14 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: groundresonance (#250)

why are you posting HAARP stuff into a thread about "chemtrails" when HAARP is a ground-based experiment?

You're not actually reading any of the links ARE you?


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: wudidiz (#251)

how many of those patents got off the drawing board?

you have no evidence of anything other than patents? ...is that what we're supposed to believe?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: wudidiz (#252)

Results 1 - 10 of about 6,230 for patent "better mouse trap".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: wudidiz (#252)

You're not actually reading any of the links ARE you?

Results 1 - 10 of about 48,500 for EASTLUND HAARP

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   4:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: groundresonance (#255)

www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   4:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: wudidiz (#256) (Edited)

www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html

aha.

so all this "chemtrail" business is an attempt to stop global warming.

how's that gonna go down with the resident global warming deniers?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: wudidiz (#256)

all you got to do now is rent a jet, sample some "chemtrails", take the samples to a lab, and prove that there's anything in the samples but water vapor...

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: groundresonance (#258)

Chemtrail Content Analysis from Different Sources

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the USA has rejected offers to analyze chemtrail samples from Dr. Len Horowitz, while in Northern Idaho, and researcher Clifford Carnicom of Santa Fe, NM. But they and concerned citizens in Las Vegas, NV, Mt. Shasta, CA, and Eastern Arkansas, all managed to get independent laboratory analysis done on samples from soil, water, and the air.



The results were similar with all of them and have been reported to compare with other analysis from North American and European locations. Barium, Aluminum Oxide, Titanium, Magnesium, and BannEthylene dibromide (dibromethane) or EDB are the essential elements of the chemtrail.

Aerosol Barium salts were sprayed from planes over Panama, Libya, and during Desert Storm to make people sick and weak. Barium poisoning is worse than lead poisoning. The lungs are affected adversely. Many complaints of colds, flu, even pneumonia occur within a very few days after heavy chemtrail spraying over an area.

Aluminum causes extreme neurological disorders. Dementia, uncontrollable spasms, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's Disease can be caused by long term aluminum exposure. Breathing in those particulates over time is a definite long term hazard.

EDB or dibromethane was banned in the USA years ago from use in all auto and jet fuels. But somehow it is appearing again in samples from chemtrail residue. It is a major component of insecticides, which are nerve poisons. It affects the nervous system especially where breathing is involved. And it is very carcinogenic.

Keep in mind that these are in tiny particulate form, enabling them to be breathed into our lungs as well as settling into soil and water. Concerned citizens in several areas where heavy chemtrailing has occurred have observed a decline in water quality and erosion of plant life. Over the past few years in the USA, lung disorders have leaped from eighth to fourth as a cause of health issue fatalities.

There are even more unusual biological anomalies being discovered in chemtrail residues as well, such as desiccated blood cells which come to life along with bacterial or viral specimens. Clifford Carnicom has research papers on those. If you can handle scientific details, go to his website, which is listed at the end of this article with other URL's.

http://www.carnicom.com/


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:16:20 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: groundresonance (#257)

so all this "chemtrail" business is an attempt to stop global warming.

If there is no global warming then it must be for something else.

But the government wouldn't lie would it?


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: wudidiz (#259)

Clifford Carnicom

sorry, you're gonna have to present evidence, taken directly from the "chemtrails".

and you're gonna have to come up with evidence other than that provided by carnicom, which should be easy to do, given the supposed scale of the "chemtrail" operation.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: wudidiz (#260)

is carnicom a shoestring operation, or could he and... say, alex jones, chip in for a little plane ride to gather direct evidence of "chemtrail" spraying?

according to you "chemtrail" adepts, there's no problem telling the difference between contrails and "chemtrails", so it ought to be a pretty straightfoward operation.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: groundresonance (#261)

sorry, you're gonna have to present evidence, taken directly from the "chemtrails".

That'd be nice and I'm surprised if someone hasn't done it yet. It should be done.

I suspect you wouldn't believe the results anyway.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: wudidiz (#260)

and it would be a good thing for you guys to get on the same page or pages...

are "chemtrails" meant to fight global warming, are they meant to poison americans, or both?

or are they merely one more tool used by fringe propagandists to terrorize, confuse, divide and conquer americans?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: groundresonance (#264)

I think they're used as weather manipulation and/or sophisticated weaponry.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: groundresonance (#264)

or are they merely one more tool used by fringe propagandists to terrorize, confuse, divide and conquer americans?

They're all over the planet.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: wudidiz (#263) (Edited)

I suspect you wouldn't believe the results anyway.

if every commercial airliner took samples of bleed air off the turbines, or had a connection to the pitot system that sampled the air, and if those samples were analyzed and the results published every day, then i'd be inclined to believe them.

meanwhile, you guys have no proof of anything, except "proof" from people who seem to be making a living by terrorizing americans.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: wudidiz (#266) (Edited)

They're all over the planet.

ah

so it's a global conspiracy... every jet in the world burns fuel that's contaminated with bugs or reflective agents or poisonous substances...

or... every plane in the world is equipped with invisible spray gear.

and we still cant figure out if we're being sprayed to prevent global warming, or if they're trying to kill us.

or both

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, Rotara, groundresonance (#267)

This one....

'groundresonance'

If he doesn't just have a bad case of the dumb, he's a shill.

Either way I don't give a fuck.

Pardon my French.


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: wudidiz (#269) (Edited)

If he doesn't just have a bad case of the dumb, he's a shill.

if you cant post evidence of "chemtrails" from reputable sources, and you're unable to explain why, if "chemtrails" are such a threat, no billionaire has gone up in his gulfstream and sampled "chemtrails", i dont know what to say...

...except you're on very shaky ground.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-14   5:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: All (#269)

Pardon my French.

Chemtrail Plane Photographed
On The Ground

Recently, a pilot sent www.data4science.net several images of a plane which is clearly rigged for aerial chemtrail or biological spraying taxiing on the ground at an airport in Canada. After studying and researching the plane images and origin, I feel they are authentic. Why do I suggest the plane might be used for biological spraying? Previously released photos of acknowledged experimental spray planes built for NASA had massive concentric rings mounted on the rear tail of the plane.

I will uphold the pilot’s desire for privacy and withhold the name. Based on information provided, here is the exact location of the chemtrail plane at the time
LOCATION OF PLANE

Fig. 2 ­ Airport location close-up (Google maps)

Fig. 3 ­ Chemtrail plane taxiing

Fig. 4 ­ Enlarged image of spraying pod mounted under port-side wing. Pod is painted to somewhat match the engine color on the plane. However, note pod mounting strut doesn’t match the underside wing color. Note the number “283; on the pod. The starboard side wing is most likely pod #1. I have added the letters to identify key parts of the image which are referenced below.
Legend:
A – Propeller on the front of the pod drives an internal generator or pump. Based on the shadows under the plane, we can determine this image was made sometime around mid-day.
B – Funnel-cone with an exit port mounted on center of engine exhaust for additional spraying capability. Exhaust that exits here may not necessarily be superheated air, as most of today’s engines are high-bypass designs for maximum thrust and efficiency. The engine could have been designed to have a fresh-air channel running straight down the center. This would be important when spraying biological agents in order not to destroy them.

C – Semi-circle black lines along the bottom are probably air intake screens. Being on the underside of the pod, they would be exposed to the high pressure flow of air under the wing.

D ­ Afterbirth: Curve of pod mounting strut almost matches that of the plane’s wing, but is not quite perfect. No aircraft manufacturer would ever release a plane with the large gap in the mount that we see here. This pod was clearly manufactured by a third party.
Fig. 5 ­ Spray pod exit port, brightness enhanced since it was in the shadow of the sun. The brush-like object would provide the maximum surface area to create an aerosol. Note the dark baffle which will restrict airflow completely through the aerosol device.

Link


"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:54:01 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: All (#271)

CIA’s Evergreen Air seems to be working doubletime. Reports are that these chemicals being sprayed into our breathable atmosphere without our consent or knowledge include barillium, aluminum oxides, silicon-based nano-organisms, gold dust, genetically engineered viruses and bacteria including E.coli and salmonella, ethylene dibromide, pseudomonas aeruginosa, serratia marcescens, and other toxic substances designed to lower our immune systems – among other things.

Evergreen Air is based out of the Pinal airbase in Marana, AZ where 707s and various other aircraft have their wings taken off and are retrofitted with sprayer apparatus. Google Earth photos of the airbase and dismembered sprayer planes in various stages of construction follow below.






"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-14   5:56:06 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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