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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#259. To: groundresonance (#258)
Chemtrail Content Analysis from Different Sources If there is no global warming then it must be for something else. But the government wouldn't lie would it?
sorry, you're gonna have to present evidence, taken directly from the "chemtrails". and you're gonna have to come up with evidence other than that provided by carnicom, which should be easy to do, given the supposed scale of the "chemtrail" operation.
is carnicom a shoestring operation, or could he and... say, alex jones, chip in for a little plane ride to gather direct evidence of "chemtrail" spraying? according to you "chemtrail" adepts, there's no problem telling the difference between contrails and "chemtrails", so it ought to be a pretty straightfoward operation.
That'd be nice and I'm surprised if someone hasn't done it yet. It should be done. I suspect you wouldn't believe the results anyway.
and it would be a good thing for you guys to get on the same page or pages... are "chemtrails" meant to fight global warming, are they meant to poison americans, or both? or are they merely one more tool used by fringe propagandists to terrorize, confuse, divide and conquer americans?
I think they're used as weather manipulation and/or sophisticated weaponry.
They're all over the planet.
if every commercial airliner took samples of bleed air off the turbines, or had a connection to the pitot system that sampled the air, and if those samples were analyzed and the results published every day, then i'd be inclined to believe them. meanwhile, you guys have no proof of anything, except "proof" from people who seem to be making a living by terrorizing americans.
ah so it's a global conspiracy... every jet in the world burns fuel that's contaminated with bugs or reflective agents or poisonous substances... or... every plane in the world is equipped with invisible spray gear. and we still cant figure out if we're being sprayed to prevent global warming, or if they're trying to kill us. or both
'groundresonance' If he doesn't just have a bad case of the dumb, he's a shill. Either way I don't give a fuck. Pardon my French.
if you cant post evidence of "chemtrails" from reputable sources, and you're unable to explain why, if "chemtrails" are such a threat, no billionaire has gone up in his gulfstream and sampled "chemtrails", i dont know what to say... ...except you're on very shaky ground.
Chemtrail Plane Photographed Recently, a pilot sent www.data4science.net several images of a plane which is clearly rigged for aerial chemtrail or biological spraying taxiing on the ground at an airport in Canada. After studying and researching the plane images and origin, I feel they are authentic. Why do I suggest the plane might be used for biological spraying? Previously released photos of acknowledged experimental spray planes built for NASA had massive concentric rings mounted on the rear tail of the plane. C – Semi-circle black lines along the bottom are probably air intake screens. Being on the underside of the pod, they would be exposed to the high pressure flow of air under the wing. CIA’s Evergreen Air seems to be working doubletime. Reports are that these chemicals being sprayed into our breathable atmosphere without our consent or knowledge include barillium, aluminum oxides, silicon-based nano-organisms, gold dust, genetically engineered viruses and bacteria including E.coli and salmonella, ethylene dibromide, pseudomonas aeruginosa, serratia marcescens, and other toxic substances designed to lower our immune systems – among other things. Evergreen Air is based out of the Pinal airbase in Marana, AZ where 707s and various other aircraft have their wings taken off and are retrofitted with sprayer apparatus. Google Earth photos of the airbase and dismembered sprayer planes in various stages of construction follow below. here's the thing: in the case of 9/11, we've got reputable people coming forward, questioning the official story. none of you "chemtrail" experts seems to be able to come up with any comparably reputable people who support this "chemtrail" business. why is that? if we got reputable people with courage enough to throw the 9/11 shit back in the government's face, why dont we have reputable people with guts enough to throw "chemtrails" in the government's face? why are "chemtrails" such a loonytunes operation?
those tanks have been explained as a ballast system to shift the center of gravity of the airplane as it does test flights. that evergreen 747 you posted earlier is an air tanker for fighting forest fires. why cant you post pictures of the actual spray apparatus mounted on evergreen airplanes?
why would they take the wings off to change engines, or install that goofy- looking gadget in the exhaust? can you provide any more pictures of that engine nozzle lashup, pictures with some provenance?
when an aircraft has to jettison fuel, how does it do it? how would you shift the center of gravity of an airplane on a test flight, other than having tanks plumbed up to pump water back and forth?
I think you may very well be right about this one.
if this "chemtrail" business is global, and it's an effort to sicken and kill... how many...? millions...? billions...? of people, dont you think there are doctors that would raise hell about the operation? have you never heard of the hippocratic oath? are you telling me that doctors are too ignorant to spot epidemic barium or aluminum poisoning? ...or are you saying that doctors are so corrupt, worldwide, that they arent raising cain?
...or are you saying that doctors are so corrupt, worldwide, that they arent raising cain? Yes and... Yes.
you think all doctors are so corrupt, as a group, that not one of them will come forward to protest "chemtrail" poisoning, supposing for the sake of argument that it existed.
Well, if you are testing a big plane, invite a huge weight watcher's group and make sure they are hungry. Then have a fast and fit man with a chocolate cake run up and down the inside of the plane with them in chase. Of course, if they caused the plane to crash due to stampede control problems, you'd have to put survivors on trial and hope the Dan White twinkie defense gets them off with only manslaughter.
i think pumping water back and forth might be easier and maybe even cheaper... unless you could pay the fat folks in chocolate cake.
you ever get hit by a retardant drop?
Heehee, good answer. I used to hve to caculate weight and balance as a helicopter crew chief in the Army. Here is a link to some of the terms used. WEIGHT AND BALANCE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS They are interesting and serve to give a taste of the subject enough to let one know there is a big class in physics involved when you talk about understanding calculating weight and balance on an aircraft. I would feel nervous on any aircraft experimenting with weight and balance that way. Personally I would prefer to be in the ground in front of a screen playing with computer weight and balance software than being up there trusting the computers and equipment were doing everything properly doing that sort of test flight.
Nope. I was a tree planter the same time I fought fires and was in very good shape and am very aircraft aware. I know what a retardant drop plane and it's spotter looks like, and I know the track they run doing drops. I have yelled "RETARDANT!" while diving for a leaner tree where I escaped the drench and watched the green, newbies get a bath. Nasty stuff. No, as an aircraft familiar person I have nearly been hurt at spike camp when a helicopter punched off it's swing load hook and long cable near me when I was ground guiding a craft to drop supplies from a high performance hover, out of ground effect. And I had a Bell 212 crash into a truck I was standing next to scaring the piss out of me as I swam in the road gravel after dropping to my belly as trained in the Army. The main rotor ground into the road eight feet from my legs. That was a Weyerhauser bird, I was working on a forest fertilization contract when that happened
yeah, it's nice to have the load in the right place in the helicopter. there was this driller, must have weighed close to 300 pounds, used to like to sit as far in the back as he could, and i'd be bumping the forward stop on the cyclic when i tried to nose over... s55T then there were the alouette IIIs, and empty with a lightweight pilot, you'd hit the foward stop on the cyclic, too.
lots of iron in the air when a helicopter crashes... or at least, stuff that would feel like iron if it got you at a couple hundred miles an hour. not good.
I enjoyed being a crew chief on a UH-1H and had pilots that I really enjoyed having fly my bird, 70-16450, and others that were scary. Slick ships doing air mobile work are forgiving of load variances. I had the back up command console bird, and it was when I had the equipment and dumb butter bar officers were on board I had to do the DD Form 365-4 figuring out weight and balance. Although, getting the shave tailed Lts not to screw up my radios, and to listen to my instructions as a buck sergeant was a bigger head ache usually. The UH-1H has two positions to mount the 48 lb NiCad battery to adjust the weight and balance, that's about it for that old a bird.
it's a wonder anyone survived.
It was not fun. They have a tractor tail rotor that has a unique sound to my ear more used to standard tail rotor design equiped Hueys. The pilot did too fast a petal turn with a heavy swing load while transitioning from a high hover to forward flight. I heard the roter zip off and hit the ground before I looked. I have had close calls before and I respect what can happen. I am not ashamed to say I pissed in my pants when I thought it was about to hit me. Though in my defense, I was the first on the bird jettisoning the pilot's door, helping him get the inertia reel harness off of him and to help him get out. He was a Vietnam war vet pilot, head of Weyco aviation's pilots. A reall hot dog of a pilot. He got some nice bruises from that. He had crashed OH-6 helicopters a couple of times whle in the service.
dale?
Do you know of one that's come forward to protest?
what if there's nothing to protest?
There is.
that's what you apparently believe, but there doesnt seem to be any evidence. and you're so dead set on believing in "chemtrails" that you're willing to believe every doctor in the world is willing to sweep "chemtrail" deaths under the rug. that seems to be kinda unlikely, to me.
Howard, big burley sort of guy. This happened near Allegany Oregon way up into coastal Weyco forest a ways into the 5000 line. They later replaced the 214 with used one. They are a nice version of the Huey, but that's a tight fit for that twin pack of a opair of free power turbine engines. And the pre-coned, underslung and semi rigid main rotor is dry, and like the 540 rotor of Colbras. The biggest gripe I had with our grips was how the seals would degrade, oiling out the top of the bird. teflon bearings is definately the best way to go with those birds.
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the USA has rejected offers to analyze chemtrail samples from Dr. Len Horowitz, while in Northern Idaho, and researcher Clifford Carnicom of Santa Fe, NM. But they and concerned citizens in Las Vegas, NV, Mt. Shasta, CA, and Eastern Arkansas, all managed to get independent laboratory analysis done on samples from soil, water, and the air.
The results were similar with all of them and have been reported to compare with other analysis from North American and European locations. Barium, Aluminum Oxide, Titanium, Magnesium, and BannEthylene dibromide (dibromethane) or EDB are the essential elements of the chemtrail.
Aerosol Barium salts were sprayed from planes over Panama, Libya, and during Desert Storm to make people sick and weak. Barium poisoning is worse than lead poisoning. The lungs are affected adversely. Many complaints of colds, flu, even pneumonia occur within a very few days after heavy chemtrail spraying over an area.
Aluminum causes extreme neurological disorders. Dementia, uncontrollable spasms, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's Disease can be caused by long term aluminum exposure. Breathing in those particulates over time is a definite long term hazard.
EDB or dibromethane was banned in the USA years ago from use in all auto and jet fuels. But somehow it is appearing again in samples from chemtrail residue. It is a major component of insecticides, which are nerve poisons. It affects the nervous system especially where breathing is involved. And it is very carcinogenic.
Keep in mind that these are in tiny particulate form, enabling them to be breathed into our lungs as well as settling into soil and water. Concerned citizens in several areas where heavy chemtrailing has occurred have observed a decline in water quality and erosion of plant life. Over the past few years in the USA, lung disorders have leaped from eighth to fourth as a cause of health issue fatalities.
There are even more unusual biological anomalies being discovered in chemtrail residues as well, such as desiccated blood cells which come to life along with bacterial or viral specimens. Clifford Carnicom has research papers on those. If you can handle scientific details, go to his website, which is listed at the end of this article with other URL's.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#260. To: groundresonance (#257)
so all this "chemtrail" business is an attempt to stop global warming.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#261. To: wudidiz (#259)
Clifford Carnicom
#262. To: wudidiz (#260)
#263. To: groundresonance (#261)
sorry, you're gonna have to present evidence, taken directly from the "chemtrails".
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
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#265. To: groundresonance (#264)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#266. To: groundresonance (#264)
or are they merely one more tool used by fringe propagandists to terrorize, confuse, divide and conquer americans?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#267. To: wudidiz (#263)
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I suspect you wouldn't believe the results anyway.
#268. To: wudidiz (#266)
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They're all over the planet.
#269. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, Rotara, groundresonance (#267)
This one....
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#270. To: wudidiz (#269)
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If he doesn't just have a bad case of the dumb, he's a shill.
#271. To: All (#269)
Pardon my French.
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"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#272. To: All (#271)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#273. To: wudidiz (#269)
#274. To: wudidiz (#272)
#275. To: wudidiz (#272)
707s and various other aircraft have their wings taken off and are retrofitted with sprayer apparatus.
#276. To: All (#273)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#277. To: wudidiz (#276)
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#278. To: Original_Intent (#277)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#279. To: All (#278)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#280. To: wudidiz (#278)
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#281. To: groundresonance (#280)
are you telling me that doctors are too ignorant to spot epidemic barium or aluminum poisoning?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
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#283. To: groundresonance (#277)
"how would you shift the center of gravity of an airplane on a test flight, other than having tanks plumbed up to pump water back and forth?"
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#284. To: Ferret (#283)
if you are testing a big plane
#285. To: Ferret (#283)
#286. To: groundresonance (#284)
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#287. To: groundresonance (#285)
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"you ever get hit by a retardant drop?"
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#288. To: Ferret (#286)
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WEIGHT AND BALANCE
#289. To: Ferret (#287)
Bell 212 crash into a truck
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#291. To: Ferret (#290)
butter bar officers
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"lots of iron in the air when a helicopter crashes... or at least, stuff that would feel like iron if it got you at a couple hundred miles an hour."
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#293. To: Ferret (#292)
Weyco aviation's pilots
#294. To: groundresonance (#282)
you think all doctors are so corrupt, as a group, that not one of them will come forward to protest "chemtrail" poisoning, supposing for the sake of argument that it existed.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#295. To: wudidiz (#294)
Do you know of one that's come forward to protest?
#296. To: groundresonance (#295)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#297. To: wudidiz (#296)
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There is.
#298. To: groundresonance (#297)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
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