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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#317. To: Original_Intent (#315)
why, if you are so dead sure you're able to tell the difference between "chemtrails" and contrails, are you unable to estimate the number of "chemtrail" flights out of the maybe 90,000 flights per day in the US?
Show me where I said my children are facing a dismal future?
Leave my wife and children out of this. And... Fuck off you low-life piece of shit scumbag before I begin to obsess over making your life a living nightmare.
ah. good. so you think the evil "chemtrail" conspiracy will be overcome by the forces of good in time for your children to lead normal, healthy, happy lives. in view of the complete absence of traction the "chemtrail" theory is getting in government, what makes you so optimistic?
Young friend, the one who goes by the designation groundresonance posts purely for the purposes of agitation and aggravation. Hie thyself off to the setup page and avail thyself of the wondrous clown filter. Posts of said varlet will disappear as if by magick.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Thanks. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Lets say there are intentional trace materials/compounds and so forth placed into "chemtrails." What is the reason for it in your opinion? This thread is too long not to speculate.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
But none of those other ways work quite as well.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I think it might be just a big scam in order that someone has the contracts to do this work. The amount of profit by a private company to carry out this operation must be an insane amount of money. The aluminum industry stands to benefit greatly from this as well. That and weather manipulation, sophisticated weaponry (scalar wave technology), in my opinion. Others speculate on such things as mind control, drugging the population, etc. I really don't know.
...and I really don't care. I just want it to stop.
what if atmospheric conditions, the laws of chemistry, and airplanes powered by internal combustion engines... what if all that makes it impossible to stop? what if "chemtrails" are a hoax, and short of stopping air traffic, there's no way of stopping contrails?
Data insufficient. We can observe on a qualitative basis that there is an observed phenomena, distinct from normal contrails, but there is insufficient data on the actual chemical composition. Chemicals such as Barium, Aluminum, and Titanium have been reported from private analysis. The composition could offer a suggestion as to the function but there seem to be conflicting analyses which suggests that: 1. The analyses were contaminated. OR 2. There is more than one program or function of the one program. Various speculations have been offered as to why but there is not a clear enough data set to weigh any one over another. The suggestions/speculations have included: 1. Weather Modification. 2. Increasing the power of HAARP by creating greater electromagnetic conduction in the atmosphere. and 3. Mitigation of Global Warming. One thing that sticks in my memory was that about 3, maybe 4, years ago a Congresscritter got motivated to include in a bill the requirement that the programs spraying disclose what they were spraying. Oddly the bill was killed and the Congresscritter, I forget which one, clammed up like nobody's business. That was one of those interesting little blips that make you look up and have a "hmmmmmmmmmm" moment. One of the things I have noticed, after being tipped off by someone else's comment, is that the heaviest spraying often occurs on the leading edge of a weather front. Why that would be I don't know, but it is a datum. However, that something is going on I can observe and note.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
and if these "chemtrails" are so harmless that you believe they wont harm your children, what difference does it make whether they stop, or not?
Oh, as annoying as it may be I like seeing what the disinfo posters are posting. It tells me what their masters are most concerned about. I have noticed that on most forums that there are a few topics that will bring the disinfo posters running as fast their chubby little feet will carry them. Chemtrails is one and some of the others are: 911 - particularly anything to do with the Pentagram bombing. Mind Control and Israel. No doubt that there are others on their list but those seem to be the priority topics.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I suspect you have greater tolerance for bs than I have. I am getting too old to read a lot of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. what if atmospheric conditions, the laws of chemistry, and airplanes powered by internal combustion engines... what if all that makes it impossible to stop? what if "chemtrails" are a hoax, and short of stopping air traffic, there's no way of stopping contrails? What if your mother had an abortion?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well, they give away a lot in the meandering dishonesty. That itself is data of a sort, and it tells me things I do want to know. As well I get to see what the latest disinfo line is as they try different ones to see if it "sticks".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
if you had any information with reputable provenance, you might have a leg to stand on... but apparently you're relying mostly on your own personal opinion, buttressed by quotes and urls from fringe websites. for instance... One of the things I have noticed, after being tipped off by someone else's comment, is that the heaviest spraying often occurs on the leading edge of a weather front. Why that would be I don't know, but it is a datum. i dont see a lot of reputable backup for those supposed "facts" or your conclusions.
if you're gonna convince anybody that you've got a case, you've got to give us something to go on, other than personal opinion... ...dont you? or are you somehow exempt from rational processes that eventually lead to the truth... assuming for the sake of argument that you're after the truth.
I am not hung up on having to have an "authority" tell me what I think. I am one of those odd critters you run into who can reach a conclusion based on the evidence alone. Novel idea that. I believe they call it "The Scientific Method".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I am one of those odd critters you run into who can reach a conclusion based on the evidence alone. too bad you cant produce any reputable evidence.
Where there's no evidence, is there no crime? Yeah, on 9/12/01 and about a week or so after that. The skies were blue. There is no evidence. There really isn't. I bet you didn't notice contrails at all until someone pointed them out to you by calling them chemtrails, then you started seeing them everywhere. That's what happened to me. You didn't notice them before because they are so common. That's all right though. I used to believe in them too. I don't anymore. If your mileage varies then that's OK. There's enough out there that we do agree on.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I don't bother playing Research Librarian for Shills. You are not interested in evidence you are interested in presenting disinformation If you want "Sympathy" you can find it in the Dictionary - between "shit" and "syphilis". May I reccomend the "Oxford New American English Dictionary"? It is really quite good.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yawn. I know what a contrail looks like. I know what a Chemtrail looks like. Despite your protestations they are NOT the same.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
...or more likely, it's just that you cant cough up reputable evidence.
I know what a Chemtrail looks like. Can you clearly show the technical differentiation in a couple of pictures or links?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I know what a Chemtrail looks like. so it all boils down to you... and it seems to be getting so personal that we're no longer learning anything. you're unable to post any evidence, there's been page after page posted that explains the chemical and atmospheric conditions that cause contrails, there's no "chemtrail" that cant be a contrail. so unless you start producing evidence from reputable sources, we're kinda at a standstill. flag me when you come up with some evidence.
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
It looks like 2 planes at different altitudes. There are different conditions at different altitudes. I see nothing special about the pic, other than one was labeled as a chemtrail. Saying it doesn't make it so. Sometimes what I ID in the past as "chemtrails" disappeared quickly, sometimes they spread out and merged. We only remember the whiteouts and forget the times there were no whiteouts. It would be interesting to get some meteorologists input on this, as well as pilots.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Your saying that means you do not understand what you are talking about. Normal contrails only form at 33,000 feet and above, and that is per the Air Force, whereas Chemtrails are frequently laid out at altitudes much lower. However, you did inadvertently swerve into the truth - there are different conditions at different altitudes. Unfortunately for the debunkers that actually works in favor of the Chemtrail Research arguments as contrails will not form at all at the lower altitudes that Chemtrails are often observed at.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Contrails (from condensation) follow the plane only a few lengths behind and dissipate quickly. Chemtrails (from sprayed mineral compounds) stay and spread across the sky into a haze. We only remember the whiteouts and forget the times there were no whiteouts. I remember when there were no 'whiteouts'. I remember a time 10 to 20 years ago when the sky was sometimes overcast with cloud cover, but never from chemtrails sprayed by airplanes.
No. Shills and people in debunkers are supremely unconcerned about facts. They have their "minds" made up and do not wish to be confused or even look.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you. Your picture and YouTube presentation use a similar theme: a very high altitude jet aircraft is emitting water vapor and a relatively low flying jet aircraft has emitted water vapor. In the case of the "contrail" the water vapor quickly freezes changing the reflectivity index, so you don't see the apparent trail for very long based on the angle of the pictures to the craft and the angle of the Sun at that time. And for the lower flying jet aircraft wherein the "Chemtrail" appears to linger forever.... at the altitude flown, freezing did not occur. And there are other factors as well, air temperature, air velocity, time of day and actual chemical composition of the exhaust since air and jet fuel components need to be factored into the water vapor mixture that has been expelled. The trigger mechanism or ignition of 9/11 about the twin towers collapse was about jet aircraft pounding into the twin towers. Jet aircraft fuel is very flammable which leads us back into Chemtrails. That same combustion mixture (depending on the aircraft) gets transferred (although, very small trace amounts) into the exhausted water vapor. This leads to the variations you see in the sky.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
That is not true. I'd post a pic of jets doing this, but I dont want anyone to say that they are spraying chemicals.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Concur. As an avid aviation buff I've been interested in aircraft ever since I was literally "knee high". My mom said that I would even point to the sky and say "ane, ane" - and usually before anyone could see it (I've always had good hearing). Back to the point - as an avid sky watcher I used to note and even look for contrails when I was a kid, and the conditions to form them are not as common as the dabunkers would like people to believe. Often I would see a plane go overhead at high altitude leaving no contrail. To have one leave a hazy lazy spreading one simply did not happen at all. Contrails have known characteristics and are formed by known processes - and a plane has to be at 33,000 feet altitude or above AND have the right atmospheric conditions. To take the duhbunkers attitude at face value one would have to believe that physical properties and the atmosphere had both changed radically since the late 80's.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well and good but the photo does not include one key element - TIME. Yes B-17's at high altitude would form contrails from the engine exhaust. However, there is nothing here that shows they persisted for any great length of time AND there were a good many four engined aircraft in the flight with each engine leaving a trail so one would expect more trails. That still disproves nothing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's never a curse. It just becomes frustrating when one runs into illogical dogmatism. The old "my mind is made up now don't confuse me with the facts". Sadly, I have come to expect it from some percentage of people. It is a fact of life that some people simply will not, seem to be incapable of, reevaluating a position and then changing it when the facts warrant.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Those aren't contrails. Despite what the caption at the bottom says. Condensation from engine exhaust NEVER does that. EVER.
I know, but it seems like one sometimes.
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#318. To: groundresonance (#305)
what on earth possesses you to continue to impregnate your wife when you believe your children are facing such a dismal future?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#319. To: groundresonance (#305)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#320. To: wudidiz (#318)
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Show me where I said my children are facing a dismal future?
#321. To: wudidiz (#319)
(Edited)
Lord Acton
#322. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#321)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#323. To: wudidiz (#322)
#324. To: wudidiz (#322)
Thanks. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Lord Acton
#325. To: buckeroo (#323)
Lets say there are intentional trace materials/compounds and so forth placed into "chemtrails." What is the reason for it in your opinion?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#326. To: buckeroo, All (#325)
I really don't know...
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#327. To: wudidiz (#326)
I just want it to stop.
#328. To: buckeroo (#312)
So, what on Earth are chem-trails all about beyond just water vapor?
#329. To: wudidiz (#326)
I just want it to stop.
#330. To: James Deffenbach (#321)
Young Sith, the one who goes by the designation groundresonance posts purely for the purposes of agitation and aggravation. Hie thyself off to the setup page and avail thyself of the wondrous clown filter. Posts of said varlet will disappear as if by magick.
#331. To: Original_Intent (#330)
Lord Acton
#332. To: groundresonance (#327)
I just want it to stop.
#333. To: James Deffenbach (#331)
I suspect you have greater tolerance for bs than I have. I am getting too old to read a lot of it.
#334. To: Original_Intent (#330)
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disinfo posters
One thing that sticks in my memory was that about 3, maybe 4, years ago a Congresscritter got motivated to include in a bill the requirement that the programs spraying disclose what they were spraying. Oddly the bill was killed and the Congresscritter, I forget which one, clammed up like nobody's business. That was one of those interesting little blips that make you look up and have a "hmmmmmmmmmm" moment.
#335. To: Original_Intent (#333)
#336. To: groundresonance (#334)
#337. To: Original_Intent (#336)
I am not hung up on having to have an "authority" tell me what I think.
#338. To: wudidiz, chemtrail believers (#304)
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I remember when the sky was a much clearer color of blue.
die kill ~~ Me
#339. To: groundresonance (#337)
#340. To: PSUSA (#338)
#341. To: Original_Intent (#339)
I don't bother playing Research Librarian for Shills...
#342. To: Original_Intent (#340)
I know what a contrail looks like.
#343. To: Original_Intent (#340)
I know what a contrail looks like.
#344. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, randge, PSUSA, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach (#342)
Can you clearly show the technical differentiation in a couple of pictures or links?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#345. To: wudidiz (#344)
die kill ~~ Me
#346. To: PSUSA, wudidiz (#345)
It looks like 2 planes at different altitudes. There are different conditions at different altitudes.
#347. To: PSUSA (#345)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#348. To: Original_Intent (#347)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#349. To: wudidiz (#344)
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
#350. To: wudidiz (#344)
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
#351. To: Original_Intent (#349)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#352. To: wudidiz (#347)
Contrails (from condensation) follow the plane only a few lengths behind and dissipate quickly.
die kill ~~ Me
#353. To: wudidiz, PSUSA (#347)
I remember when there were no 'whiteouts'. I remember a time 10 to 20 years ago when the sky was sometimes overcast with cloud cover, but never from chemtrails sprayed by airplanes.
#354. To: PSUSA (#352)
#355. To: wudidiz (#351)
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
#356. To: PSUSA (#352)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#357. To: Original_Intent (#355)
It's never a curse.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
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