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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#340. To: PSUSA (#338)
Yawn. I know what a contrail looks like. I know what a Chemtrail looks like. Despite your protestations they are NOT the same.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
...or more likely, it's just that you cant cough up reputable evidence.
I know what a Chemtrail looks like. Can you clearly show the technical differentiation in a couple of pictures or links?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I know what a Chemtrail looks like. so it all boils down to you... and it seems to be getting so personal that we're no longer learning anything. you're unable to post any evidence, there's been page after page posted that explains the chemical and atmospheric conditions that cause contrails, there's no "chemtrail" that cant be a contrail. so unless you start producing evidence from reputable sources, we're kinda at a standstill. flag me when you come up with some evidence.
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
It looks like 2 planes at different altitudes. There are different conditions at different altitudes. I see nothing special about the pic, other than one was labeled as a chemtrail. Saying it doesn't make it so. Sometimes what I ID in the past as "chemtrails" disappeared quickly, sometimes they spread out and merged. We only remember the whiteouts and forget the times there were no whiteouts. It would be interesting to get some meteorologists input on this, as well as pilots.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Your saying that means you do not understand what you are talking about. Normal contrails only form at 33,000 feet and above, and that is per the Air Force, whereas Chemtrails are frequently laid out at altitudes much lower. However, you did inadvertently swerve into the truth - there are different conditions at different altitudes. Unfortunately for the debunkers that actually works in favor of the Chemtrail Research arguments as contrails will not form at all at the lower altitudes that Chemtrails are often observed at.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Contrails (from condensation) follow the plane only a few lengths behind and dissipate quickly. Chemtrails (from sprayed mineral compounds) stay and spread across the sky into a haze. We only remember the whiteouts and forget the times there were no whiteouts. I remember when there were no 'whiteouts'. I remember a time 10 to 20 years ago when the sky was sometimes overcast with cloud cover, but never from chemtrails sprayed by airplanes.
No. Shills and people in debunkers are supremely unconcerned about facts. They have their "minds" made up and do not wish to be confused or even look.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you. Your picture and YouTube presentation use a similar theme: a very high altitude jet aircraft is emitting water vapor and a relatively low flying jet aircraft has emitted water vapor. In the case of the "contrail" the water vapor quickly freezes changing the reflectivity index, so you don't see the apparent trail for very long based on the angle of the pictures to the craft and the angle of the Sun at that time. And for the lower flying jet aircraft wherein the "Chemtrail" appears to linger forever.... at the altitude flown, freezing did not occur. And there are other factors as well, air temperature, air velocity, time of day and actual chemical composition of the exhaust since air and jet fuel components need to be factored into the water vapor mixture that has been expelled. The trigger mechanism or ignition of 9/11 about the twin towers collapse was about jet aircraft pounding into the twin towers. Jet aircraft fuel is very flammable which leads us back into Chemtrails. That same combustion mixture (depending on the aircraft) gets transferred (although, very small trace amounts) into the exhausted water vapor. This leads to the variations you see in the sky.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
That is not true. I'd post a pic of jets doing this, but I dont want anyone to say that they are spraying chemicals.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Concur. As an avid aviation buff I've been interested in aircraft ever since I was literally "knee high". My mom said that I would even point to the sky and say "ane, ane" - and usually before anyone could see it (I've always had good hearing). Back to the point - as an avid sky watcher I used to note and even look for contrails when I was a kid, and the conditions to form them are not as common as the dabunkers would like people to believe. Often I would see a plane go overhead at high altitude leaving no contrail. To have one leave a hazy lazy spreading one simply did not happen at all. Contrails have known characteristics and are formed by known processes - and a plane has to be at 33,000 feet altitude or above AND have the right atmospheric conditions. To take the duhbunkers attitude at face value one would have to believe that physical properties and the atmosphere had both changed radically since the late 80's.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well and good but the photo does not include one key element - TIME. Yes B-17's at high altitude would form contrails from the engine exhaust. However, there is nothing here that shows they persisted for any great length of time AND there were a good many four engined aircraft in the flight with each engine leaving a trail so one would expect more trails. That still disproves nothing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's never a curse. It just becomes frustrating when one runs into illogical dogmatism. The old "my mind is made up now don't confuse me with the facts". Sadly, I have come to expect it from some percentage of people. It is a fact of life that some people simply will not, seem to be incapable of, reevaluating a position and then changing it when the facts warrant.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Those aren't contrails. Despite what the caption at the bottom says. Condensation from engine exhaust NEVER does that. EVER.
I know, but it seems like one sometimes.
So, taking your, unproved, assertion every jet aircraft should produce a contrail at all times and altitudes. Yet we can observe they do not. Next.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I know, but it seems like one sometimes. LOL! You got me on that one. Sigh. For all the trials I would not give up my intellect and observational faculties given to me to be just another mind numbed member of the herd. To think freely is to be free. It is just annoying when you bounce off a block of wood. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
A couple of disinfo sites they're getting their 'proof' pictures from. contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/ goodsky.homestead.com/files/gallery.html Psyop.
I guess the simple solution would be to stop bouncing.
Straight outta Orwell's ****in' '1984'.
I never said that; you asserted the assumption. The water vapor emissions are based on flight plans for craft weight and balance and are normally expelled over rural areas depending on the many factors that the pilot considers along with ground control.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/ goodsky.homestead.com/files/gallery.html Psyop. I've looked at the first one before and it is definitely a "de-bunker" site. The PsyOp people have gotten smarter - they now set up their own phony "authority" sites to provide something to link to. Some of them are pretty slickly done and they have learned to hide the "whois" data as several got caught early on operating off of CIA Servers or being owned and hosted by a known "front". The disinfo war has gotten more and more interesting and more and more one has to be able to sort through reams of bullshit and correctly categorize. People without training in formal reasoning are, unless unusually perceptive and aware, facing a maze.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Straight outta Orwell's ****in' '1984'. Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What is a blessing is that there are many people such as yourself that I can talk to about this. Even if I have to go on the Internet to find them. Where I live there are people that are aware of them too, but most are apathetic anyway. I myself am apathetic about it most of the time. There doesn't seem to be much one can do about it other than try and tell people. Here are a couple of good comments from the first site I linked: There are several problems with your statement that what we are seeing today are just “persistent” contrails and nothing more. “Persistent” contrails require very specific upper atmospheric conditions. Today, anyone can photograph and then compare aircraft contrail formation with “Upper Air Sounding” (weather balloon) data from such sites as the University of Wyoming… http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/sounding.html We are seeing GIANT contrails that go for hundreds of kilometers and cover the sky in an opaque white mass with as few as 20-30 aircraft passes. This is occurring at historically LOW Relative Humidity levels in the upper atmosphere. Also, many of these contrails are showing up on radar as being HIGHLY reflective and clearly based on some sort of ‘metallic’ substance. Here, a German news production reports on the German Military stating they are doing radar experiments covering vast swathes of Germany with huge “contrails” made up of ???? German weather scientists state that the military is altering the weather… Here is a video I have done regarding a massive bird die off and amazing “Super Storm” that hit my town at the same time… Here is a mainstream news report from my country where the government admits it has given money to experiment with “Ionizing” the atmosphere to produce rain… If people take the time to understand the science and the main points of this subject they will see that there is more to this than meets the eye. “They” have been “experimenting” on us for years which has been exposed and admitted too many times. Whats the big deal? Why are people finding this so hard to understand? Also, those military photo’s you posted. These are very deceiving as the photographs are taken alongside the aircraft at high altitude. If you were looking at these from ground level the trails would be very short just like you expect a “normal” contrail to be. Also, imagine Germany in the summer of 1943 when the Allied bombing campaign first got going. You saw HUNDREDS (up to 300-800) American B-17’s ALL in a long line, perhaps 100-200 miles long slowly trundling over Europe and Germany to deliver their deadly cargo. This took place in daylight and you would expect that at some time we would have had the PERFECT upper atmospheric conditions (around 18000ft-20,000ft) for some TRULY spectacular “persistent” aircraft contrails. How many pictures are there of this phenomenon that should of occurred at least once and been photographed? Answer…ZERO. ALL those aircraft. ALL those missions and we do not have ONE decent photo of what the mainstream considers a perfectly “normal” event? Over Esperance and all over the world ENTIRE SKY’s are being FILLED till they are an opaque white that lasts ALL DAY. This is done with as FEW as 20-30 aircraft passes over head. Why was this not seen in WW2 if it is such a “normal” event?
"But Oceania's always been at war with Eurasia."
Good post. Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect. Fluoridation is another - which the evidence is accumulating that it does nothing for tooth decay, and in fact causes Dental Fluorodosis from excessive exposure, however, it is great for pacifying a large population as the Nazis discovered. Experiments such as the Tuskegee Experiment where men infected with syphilis were let die so that that "Doctors" could observe the progress of the disease over time. And as well there are documented cases of experimenting on Military Personnel - such as marching them out to an atomic bomb blast site to see what would happen. But the Turtles of the world want to bury their heads because if they noticed something wrong and would feel responsible, and too many people will do everything they can to avoid responsibility. Dumb apathy and denial are much easier than taking responsibility for making the world a better place.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"But Oceania's always been at war with Eurasia." And "ignorance is strength".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
AHHA! Earlier you said you maintained no speculation about this "issue." Now Americans are being experimented upon based upon some .... freak in a back room called "they." Data insufficient. We can observe on a qualitative basis that there is an observed phenomena, distinct from normal contrails, but there is insufficient data on the actual chemical composition. Chemicals such as Barium, Aluminum, and Titanium have been reported from private analysis. The composition could offer a suggestion as to the function but there seem to be conflicting analyses which suggests that: 1. The analyses were contaminated. OR 2. There is more than one program or function of the one program. Various speculations have been offered as to why but there is not a clear enough data set to weigh any one over another. The suggestions/speculations have included: 1. Weather Modification. 2. Increasing the power of HAARP by creating greater electromagnetic conduction in the atmosphere. and 3. Mitigation of Global Warming. One thing that sticks in my memory was that about 3, maybe 4, years ago a Congresscritter got motivated to include in a bill the requirement that the programs spraying disclose what they were spraying. Oddly the bill was killed and the Congresscritter, I forget which one, clammed up like nobody's business. That was one of those interesting little blips that make you look up and have a "hmmmmmmmmmm" moment. One of the things I have noticed, after being tipped off by someone else's comment, is that the heaviest spraying often occurs on the leading edge of a weather front. Why that would be I don't know, but it is a datum. However, that something is going on I can observe and note. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator Original_Intent posted on 2010-03-14 18:37:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Gee, I am so stricken. I made a statement supported by fact. Golly, I am hoist by my own petard. Poor Buckie - trying to explain how the two remain consistent is probably beyond your willingness to reason. Sigh. However, in brief, if one assumes, as I do, that Chemtrails are the result of some sort of program, simply putting that shit in the air is by definition an experiment upon everyone within its range intentional or not, primary purpose for the the spraying or not. However, such reasoning would appear to be beyond your ken.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
OI, you old softy, you. You took the bait. Tsk, tsk, tsk. ;-)
LOL! Poor buckie - he has a full deck - 52 Jokers.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I have drawn no final conclusions other than that you are pathologically dishonest - as witnessed by your attempt to put words in my mouth. I have said that I do believe Chemtrails to be a phenomena unique from contrails, and the body of empirical evidence, no matter how hard you try to wiggle, supports that. At no point have I offered even a speculation as to what their purpose might be. Since I am not privy to the inside workings of the program I have no firm conclusion as to their purpose. I could speculate, but will not. Speculation I reserve for sharing with minds that are open, honest, and inquisitive. That leaves you out. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator Original_Intent posted on 2010-03-14 18:00:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I suppose if it wasn't for the jokers this would just be an echo chamber.
True - but the Joker is getting desperate. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I changed my byline because of you, OI. You are too phunney.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
I can see that.
Once again, this is a great thread. One of the best I have ever seen.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
Thanks for your patronage, buck.
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#341. To: Original_Intent (#339)
I don't bother playing Research Librarian for Shills...
#342. To: Original_Intent (#340)
I know what a contrail looks like.
#343. To: Original_Intent (#340)
I know what a contrail looks like.
#344. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, randge, PSUSA, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach (#342)
Can you clearly show the technical differentiation in a couple of pictures or links?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#345. To: wudidiz (#344)
die kill ~~ Me
#346. To: PSUSA, wudidiz (#345)
It looks like 2 planes at different altitudes. There are different conditions at different altitudes.
#347. To: PSUSA (#345)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#348. To: Original_Intent (#347)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#349. To: wudidiz (#344)
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
#350. To: wudidiz (#344)
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
#351. To: Original_Intent (#349)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#352. To: wudidiz (#347)
Contrails (from condensation) follow the plane only a few lengths behind and dissipate quickly.
die kill ~~ Me
#353. To: wudidiz, PSUSA (#347)
I remember when there were no 'whiteouts'. I remember a time 10 to 20 years ago when the sky was sometimes overcast with cloud cover, but never from chemtrails sprayed by airplanes.
#354. To: PSUSA (#352)
#355. To: wudidiz (#351)
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
#356. To: PSUSA (#352)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#357. To: Original_Intent (#355)
It's never a curse.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#358. To: buckeroo, wudidiz (#350)
The trigger mechanism or ignition of 9/11 about the twin towers collapse was about jet aircraft pounding into the twin towers. Jet aircraft fuel is very flammable which leads us back into Chemtrails. That same combustion mixture (depending on the aircraft) gets transferred (although, very small trace amounts) into the exhausted water vapor. This leads to the variations you see in the sky.
#359. To: wudidiz (#357)
It's never a curse.
#360. To: Original_Intent, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#358)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#361. To: Original_Intent (#359)
It is just annoying when you bounce off a block of wood. ;-)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#362. To: Original_Intent (#360)
Psyop.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#363. To: Original_Intent (#358)
So, taking your, unproved, assertion every jet aircraft should produce a contrail at all times and altitudes.
#364. To: wudidiz (#360)
(Edited)
A couple of disinfo sites they're getting their 'proof' pictures from.
#365. To: wudidiz (#362)
Psyop.
#366. To: Original_Intent (#364)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K_As
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=uBq97gYB7xo
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Duxr53aFCog
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#367. To: Original_Intent (#365)
Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#368. To: wudidiz (#366)
“They” have been “experimenting” on us for years which has been exposed and admitted too many times. Whats the big deal? Why are people finding this so hard to understand?
#369. To: wudidiz (#367)
Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
#370. To: Original_Intent (#368)
Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect.
#328. To: buckeroo (#312)
buckeroo: So, what on Earth are chem-trails all about beyond just water vapor?
#371. To: buckeroo (#370)
#372. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#370)
AHHA!
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#373. To: wudidiz, bucket-a-goo, buckeroo (#372)
#374. To: Original_Intent (#371)
Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect.
#315. To: groundresonance (#313) (Edited)
Can you be consistent once in awhile on a single thread and within a few hours of time? Am I asking too much?
#375. To: Original_Intent (#373)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#376. To: wudidiz (#375)
#377. To: Original_Intent (#376)
#378. To: Original_Intent (#376)
True - but the Joker is getting desperate. LOL!
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#379. To: wudidiz (#378)
#380. To: buckeroo (#379)
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
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