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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#374. To: Original_Intent (#371)
I have drawn no final conclusions other than that you are pathologically dishonest - as witnessed by your attempt to put words in my mouth. I have said that I do believe Chemtrails to be a phenomena unique from contrails, and the body of empirical evidence, no matter how hard you try to wiggle, supports that. At no point have I offered even a speculation as to what their purpose might be. Since I am not privy to the inside workings of the program I have no firm conclusion as to their purpose. I could speculate, but will not. Speculation I reserve for sharing with minds that are open, honest, and inquisitive. That leaves you out. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator Original_Intent posted on 2010-03-14 18:00:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I suppose if it wasn't for the jokers this would just be an echo chamber.
True - but the Joker is getting desperate. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I changed my byline because of you, OI. You are too phunney.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
I can see that.
Once again, this is a great thread. One of the best I have ever seen.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
Thanks for your patronage, buck.
Not one decent photo? How many do you want? There is nothing deceiving about them. Someone posted about "chemtrails" being especially heavy near a storm front. There is nothing sinister about this. From www.theairlinepilots.com/met/contrails.htm For the weather- matcher, a long-lasting contrail can be a useful sign, as it reveals the presence of significant high-level moisture. This, in turn, may indicate the approach of a frontal system.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Contrails dissipate quickly 'Contrails' No 'contrails' No 'contrails' 'Contrails' My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site: 'Chemtrails' 'Chemtrails' 'Chemtrails' Interesting - when the photo image is large enough to include time i.e., the trailing contrails lenght - it clearly shows that they dissipate quickly regardless of how thick they were when first formed. So, by cropping photos, or choosing them, to eliminate the time the contrails really existed for it can be used to effectively lie and assert that contrails and chemtrails are the same thing. As well is the valid point - as has been argued - that contrails are not formed 100% of the time and that the proper atmospheric conditions must exist as well. However, chemtrails are formed regardless of whether or not the conditions exist for the formation of contrails. I always find it interesting seeing people try to explain things away when they don't fit their preconceptions. It occurs in other areas as well: In archaeology evidence that does not fit the approved model is attacked and if too well documented simply ignored. In looking at UFO's the reasoning goes "UFO's don't exist therefore they don't exist". In Cryptozoology the reasoning goes - "we know what happened and that can't exist because they died out a long time ago" - until a Coelecanth turns up in a Fish Market and suddenly we have a "Golleeee" moment. Still, other anomalies that don't fit the model get ignored or ridiculed - like the multiple reports of Pterodactyls in Northern Mexico and in the area of the Superstition Mountains in the American Southwest. They can't exist so there is no point in looking because since they can't exist they don't exist - "see the textbook says so right here". And the same occurs with Chemtrails - "the govenment says they don't exist therefore (although it is the government doing it) they don't exist". It just seems that many people would rather hang on to "what they believe" rather than "what the data indicates".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Photoshopped? Perhaps you can provide proof of that? Your "guessing" means less than nothing. What is the truth is lies disinfo site? How is it possible that there aren't contrails on some of your pics, and other show them? Were they airbrushed out? Or airbrushed in? Or did the atmosphere at that altitude and time have an effect on them? The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well? Really, you're grasping at straws here, IMO. Please answer these questions. Otherwise you are only looking for an argument for arguments sake.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or You are grasping at straws. At this point there are literally thousands to hundreds of thousands of Chemtrail photos on the web at different sites. While one could claim that some were photoshopped there is no motivation, or reason, to do that in thousands to hundreds of thousands of images. Methinks thou doth protest too much.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It just seems that many people would rather hang on to "what they believe" rather than "what the data indicates". What's disturbing is that it'd be understandable if we were talking about the standard brain damaged sheeple, but here we have otherwise intelligent and rational people who dismiss out of hand any notion that such a thing might be true, based upon some misguided notion that the government would tell us if they were poisoning us from the skies.. Hell, they don't even believe their own "lying eyes" apparently, or totally forget what the skies USED to look like.
Pretty strange claim from someone at war with the fact all humanity comes in many shades of skin color. Perhaps before you throw stones, you should come to grips with how irrational hatred over rules reality in your brain.
He was referencing images that YOU posted which portrayed vapor trails that are far different than normal contrails. You posted them as "proof" that this phenomenon existed even back in WWII. I'd like to see an original source of those images, ie. military photo gallery, and not one whose job it is to debunk chemtrails.
Bullshit. Complete and total bullshit. OK, let's go thru them, shall we? Let's do it out in the open for all interested parties to see. If you use firefox, you can right click on the image and select "properties" to show the source. But since I dont know what browser you use, I will do it for you myself. I found them on google images, not some website. Here are the links used in post #381 Top: http://www.91stbombgroup.com/images/contrails.jpg Middle: http://www.parlier.com/web_resources/ch0003a.jpg Bottom: http://www.volny.cz/petrvitek85/B-17%20gallery3/B-17G_contrails.jpg Here it is for #352: http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1454956689_44a09f2d27_o.jpg So, as you can see, only one comes from a site that you may think is there to debunk chemtrails. Now, do you have something against that one single site? If so, what is it? And about the other pics, what the fuck are you babbling about?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or More bullshit. I refer to post 382 where he said, and I quote, " My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site: " I asked for proof of that photoshopping, in post 384, because I don't give a tinkers damn about anyones "guesses". I can guess about things all day long, but it doesn't mean a thing.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Ok, so the images might be authentic, but as someone else pointed out they are only showing a narrow angle view of the sky, and don't show a wide angle view of those trails to indicate how long they lasted. Wider angle images from WWII that I've seen do show the trails dissipating as normal. Regardless, I've seen enough evidence to indicate there IS chemtrail activity taking place with my own eyes. That there is such a campaign of denial taking place indicates whatever it is that they ARE doing is something they would rather not tell us about.
Even more amusing, and inconsistent, some of these same people regularly castigate government for other wrongs. Trying to analyze it logically is pointless, because the viewpoint is not founded on logic - it is founded upon fixed and unchanging ideas which are taken as absolutes regardless of contradictory evidence - of which many are simply false. And when someone draws a conclusion on false data that conclusion will also be false - and often appear very screwy to others (with the very rare exception where faulty reasoning arrived by sheer coincidence at the correct answer). That goes back to one of my favorite, and frequently used, quotes as it is so braodly applicable: So, if someone knows the world is flat then everything they see will confirm that. It looks flat doesn't it? In his book "The Day the Universe Changed" Burke quoted the philospher Wittgenstein who was confronted by the following: A person: "How silly of our ancestors to think the sun revolved around the earth when it is clear that it does not?" Wittgenstein: Thoughtfully - "But I wonder what it would have looked if it did?" The point of course is that it would have looked the same, however our knowledge of how the universe operates changed and thus so did what we saw. So, to the person who does not recall the difference, or is too young, then Chemtrails are part of the normal airscape. Thus, they see nothing unusual "because that's the way it has always been". "Oceanna has always been at war with Eurasia."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oh BTW, contrailscience.com appears to be a chemtrail debunking site which exists for that sole purpose.
If you were a photographer back then, would you take pics of the planes themselves, or a big white line that everybody could see? There may be pics out there like that. Who knows. There are a lot of WW2 pics out there, and movies too. Regardless, I've seen enough evidence to indicate there IS chemtrail activity taking place with my own eyes. That there is such a campaign of denial taking place indicates whatever it is that they ARE doing is something they would rather not tell us about. Maybe they are, I don't know. But I have not seen the evidence yet. Just people with an agenda that totally ignore evidence that does not fit in with what they want to see. They even make "guesses" of photoshopping. Are guesses now considered to be evidence?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or OK, what do they say there that you disagree with?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or The thing is, I only first noticed VERY unusual "contrails" back in the mid 90's, so it wasn't that I was convinced by the Internet evidence, I already knew something was going on, and with the info (and disinfo) being spread across the net in relation to those observations, I know beyond any reasonable doubt that whatever it is they ARE doing is probably not good, otherwise they'd tell us exactly what they were doing and why.
It's obvious that someone devoted a LOT of time and effort in order to debunk chemtrails as much as possible. Now WHY would someone do that, and where do they get their funding? People who feel that they are alerting people to danger do what they do for altruistic reasons, where those who try to debunk those dangers do so for other reasons.
It costs about $100 per year to put up a website. Once that is paid, it just takes time and effort. You don't need funding. Now, do you have any specific disagreements about the info presented there? People who feel that they are alerting people to danger do what they do for altruistic reasons, where those who try to debunk those dangers do so for other reasons. It all depends on whether the danger is real, or a hoax that took on a life of its own because some of us are all too willing to believe our .gov is capable of doing this. Just because they are dirtbags of the lowest order doesn't mean they are guilty of everything attributed to them. Just the things we all agree on are bad enough without going off on these tangents. There is nothing "altruistic" about lying, intentional or not.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I refer to post 382 where he said, and I quote, " My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site: " I asked for proof of that photoshopping, in post 384, because I don't give a tinkers damn about anyones "guesses". I can guess about things all day long, but it doesn't mean a thing. I'm allowed to guess and admit when I am. Just as you are and do as well. I don't know exactly what the site is or how the pictures came to be on the site, so I honestly say that I'm guessing. I do know they aren't contrails. Simply because contrails dissipate and disappear. Regardless of what anyone says. I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow. I don't really care why.
I don't really care why. Very telling. Please remember, this is *YOUR* thread.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
And there we have it. Damn.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Actually - that the contrails were unusually vivid may be one of the reasons the photo survived - as a novelty because it is the exception rather than the rule. Taken up close, from another plane in the squadron, they would look denser than from the ground - but it still does not show the tails of contrails which is what makes is suspect i.e., that if one could see a larger frame one would see the contrails fading as per normal - within 20 to 30 minutes.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The devil is in the details. Specific information is required. I first noticed the emerging police state and the loss of freedoms around that time. Did the police state exist before that? Yes. Just because you first notice something does not mean that is when it started. It just means that is when it caught your attention. Noticing things is not specific information.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or And there we have what?
I decided to change my tagline providing everyone the actual post of your perspective.
I should be sporting your famous quote right now.
As you wish. I do not see any reason to repudiate it or be bothered by your use of it. I can back up what I say but just didn't bother for this thread. Repeated experimentation has been done on military and civilian populations. It is just that the MSM will not cover it - except for the very rare acknowledgment buried in some obscure section of a newspaper OR the occasional disinfo piece to provide "plausible deniability" as happened when it got out that the U.S. Military used Nerve Gas in Southeast Asia.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you for your support, Buck.
you "didnt bother" to back up what you say because you cant. you cant post proof of "chemtrail" support infrastucture or personnel. you cant post proof of "chemtrails" existing in places that are not explained by well-understood chemical and physical processes. you cant post proof of "chemtrail" chemical composition. you cant post proof of supposed motive for the "chemtrail" operation. . it's not that you "dont bother"... it's simply that you cant.
Thank you for sharing. Do we feel better now? Please post the details and specifics of ANY ongoing Classified (Top Secret or Above) Project. I'll be waiting.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
if this "chemtrail" project is so secret, how come you know about it?
You are welcome. I am committed to make this the largest thread on 4um, ever.
I would enjoy reading your thoughts ..... assuming you aren't bothered. Just ping me when you have crossed the t's and dotted the i's ... thanks in advance.
Fantastic.
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#315. To: groundresonance (#313) (Edited)
Can you be consistent once in awhile on a single thread and within a few hours of time? Am I asking too much?
#375. To: Original_Intent (#373)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
#376. To: wudidiz (#375)
#377. To: Original_Intent (#376)
#378. To: Original_Intent (#376)
True - but the Joker is getting desperate. LOL!
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#379. To: wudidiz (#378)
#380. To: buckeroo (#379)
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#381. To: wudidiz (#366)
How many pictures are there of this phenomenon that should of occurred at least once and been photographed? Answer…ZERO. ALL those aircraft. ALL those missions and we do not have ONE decent photo of what the mainstream considers a perfectly “normal” event?
die kill ~~ Me
#382. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#381)
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#383. To: wudidiz (#382)
#384. To: wudidiz, all (#382)
My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site:
die kill ~~ Me
#385. To: PSUSA, wudidiz (#384)
#386. To: Original_Intent (#383)
And the same occurs with Chemtrails - "the govenment says they don't exist therefore (although it is the government doing it) they don't exist".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#387. To: PSUSA (#384)
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"Otherwise you are only looking for an argument for arguments sake."
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#388. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent (#384)
The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#389. To: FormerLurker (#388)
(Edited)
I'd like to see an original source of those images, ie. military photo gallery, and not one whose job it is to debunk chemtrails.
die kill ~~ Me
#390. To: FormerLurker (#388)
He was referencing images that YOU posted which portrayed vapor trails that are far different than normal contrails.
die kill ~~ Me
#391. To: PSUSA (#389)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#392. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#386)
What's disturbing is that it'd be understandable if we were talking about the standard brain damaged sheeple, but here we have otherwise intelligent and rational people who dismiss out of hand any notion that such a thing might be true, based upon some misguided notion that the government would tell us if they were poisoning us from the skies..
"Hell, they don't even believe their own "lying eyes" apparently, or totally forget what the skies USED to look like."
"What you see is determined by what you know and when that changes everything changes." ~ James Burke (Not verbatim but that is the gist.)
#393. To: PSUSA (#389)
Here it is for #352: http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1454956689_44a09f2d27_o.jpg
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#394. To: FormerLurker (#391)
Ok, so the images might be authentic, but as someone else pointed out they are only showing a narrow angle view of the sky, and don't show a wide angle view of those trails to indicate how long they lasted. Wider angle images from WWII that I've seen do show the trails dissipating as normal.
die kill ~~ Me
#395. To: FormerLurker (#393)
Oh BTW, contrailscience.com appears to be a chemtrail debunking site which exists for that sole purpose.
die kill ~~ Me
#396. To: PSUSA (#394)
Maybe they are, I don't know. But I have not seen the evidence yet. Just people with an agenda that totally ignore evidence that does not fit in with what they want to see.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#397. To: PSUSA (#395)
OK, what do they say there that you disagree with?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#398. To: FormerLurker (#397)
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It's obvious that someone devoted a LOT of time and effort in order to debunk chemtrails as much as possible. Now WHY would someone do that, and where do they get their funding?
die kill ~~ Me
#399. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#390)
More bullshit.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#400. To: wudidiz (#399)
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
#401. To: wudidiz, all (#399)
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
die kill ~~ Me
#402. To: wudidiz (#399)
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
#403. To: FormerLurker (#396)
The thing is, I only first noticed VERY unusual "contrails" back in the mid 90's, so it wasn't that I was convinced by the Internet evidence,
die kill ~~ Me
#404. To: PSUSA (#401)
And there we have it.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
#405. To: Original_Intent (#402)
#406. To: Original_Intent (#402)
#407. To: buckeroo (#405)
#408. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#406)
#409. To: Original_Intent (#407)
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I can back up what I say but just didn't bother for this thread.
you cant post proof of increased mortality rates due to "chemtrails".
#410. To: gruntresonance, groundresonance, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#409)
#411. To: Original_Intent (#410)
Please post the details and specifics of ANY ongoing Classified (Top Secret or Above) Project.
#412. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#408)
Thank you for your support, Buck.
#413. To: Original_Intent (#407)
I can back up what I say but just didn't bother for this thread.
#414. To: buckeroo (#412)
I am committed to make this the largest thread on 4um, ever.
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