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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#34. To: groundresonance (#24)
BTW, one other aspect of chemtrails are the clouds they form. I've seen bright greenish and reddish hues in those clouds first hand, similar to the image below... perhaps you've never heard of "time on station" and have never observed fighter bombers loitering until the FACs came up with a target for them.
Planes don't fly high enough in a holding pattern to leave contrails, for one. For two, it's apparent from the image that the plane that left that trail was in a fairly tight 360 degree turn, whereas an actual holding pattern would result in a much shallower turn spread out over many miles around a metropolitan area.
oh. rainbows are evidence that god was doing "chemtrails" thousands of years ago, huh?
how do you know that? are you a professional pilot?
Some people wouldn't believe it if you actually flew them close enough to the sprayer to see it first hand and up close, they'd still find a way to deny it. Anything that changes a person's world view is hard for them to accept, whether it be evidence of the impossibility of the official 9/11 legend, or chemtrails.
You don't need to be a pilot to understand science.
...of contrails... unless "chemtrails" have been photoshopped into the picture. you've been unable to refute logical explanations of how supposed "chemtrail" patterns can occur as the result of normal air traffic. you've been unable to explain how a 747 loaded to the gills is unable to produce a "chemtrail" of retardant that's longer than five miles. you're unable to point to "chemtrail" support infrastructure that would be necessary to mount your "chemtrail" operation. Again you resort to false logic in an attempt to divert from the subject. A. It is not necessary to prove the entire question to observe that something unusual is happening which is contrary to known information. B. Who said anything about chemical fire retardent. As far as I can tell the Chemtrails are not a firefighting phenomena so it is an unknown as to how much of the formula is required to produce the trails. And we do not need to know that to observe that they do in fact exist and occur under circumstances, and at altitudes, which would ordinarily NOT form contrails. C. And your third point is again unnecessary to answer to be able to observe that something unusual is happening. At this point all you have produced are disinformation tactics and attempted diversions sprinkled with logical fallacies. You are a shill. Whom do you work for?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I'm talking about oily multicolored shades in clouds formed by chemtrails, not rainbows smartass.
are we to assume that you have flown close enough to the sprayer to see it first hand? can you provide proof of the sprayer's existence, along with evidence of the infrastructure that would be needed to support this "chemtrail" project?
here's a question for the two of you... what percentage of observed contrails are actually "chemtrails"?
You don't need to be a pilot to understand science. At this point all the poor shill can do is just keep repeating the same disinformation tactics. Being a shill he/she cannot engage in a substantive analysis but can only divert and use standard disinformation ploys which we have both seen a thousand times. That a disinformation shill would be assigned to try to do that is a prima facie case that the Chemtrail data is valid, and that the lid is still on to keep it suppressed and out of general public knowledge.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
First off, you provide no link that backs your assertion. However, it doesn't take a lot of brains to understand the difference between dumping loads of dry flame retardant powder and an aerosol or fog sprayed out at a MUCH MUCH lower flow rate.
Maximum holding speeds are established in order to keep aircraft within the protected holding area during their one-minute inbound and outbound legs. For civil aircraft (not military) in the United States, these airspeeds are: [1] * Up to 6,000 feet (1,800 m) MSL: 200 knots (370 km/h; 230 mph) The ICAO Maximum holding speeds: * Up to 14000 ft: 230kts what percentage of observed contrails are actually "chemtrails"? How many Angels can fit on the head of a pin? Each occurrence has to be analyzed on its own merits and compared against known good data. You are attempting to pose an unaswerable question to play "Gotcha". I don't play "Gotcha".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
For one, I HAVE seen the effects of the sprayers, and for two, I HAVE viewed the aircraft myself with binoculars and seen that the trails were not being formed by the engines, but from somewhere towards the rear of the craft, and not inline with the exhaust of the engines. Perhaps you can ask someone you know to go sneak onto whatever classified airbase is launching these aircraft, take some pictures, and get back to us. Get real bud.
First off, you provide no link that backs your assertion. evergreen propaganda isnt good enough for you, huh?
how many feet does it take water vapor to condense when it's emitted from an engine that's traveling 600 mph?
Perhaps our shill can explain why a little tiny crop dusting plane can lay down multiple rows of chemicals from that itty bitty plane which is much smaller than a "747"? Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
how long does the swath last, how often the the plane have to reload? and, compared to a 747, do you imagine you'd be able to see a cropduster if it was at 40,000 feet?
Clear evidence you are losing the argument, OI. Why are you so defensive today?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Ok, but we're not talking about powder being dumped out of the plane to put out fires, we're talking about an aerosol or fog being released at a MUCH lower flow rate. Do you understand the difference between dumping huge amounts of powder and spraying a fine mist or fog that consists of minute liquid particles?
He's trying to equate dry bulk powder to fine aerosol mist and fog. Sort of like comparing oranges to grains of sand.
Hi Bucky - here to play back-up for your compadre? Do you have anything intelligent to bring to the table? Maybe some evidence as opposed to Argumentum Ad Hominem?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
so such a miniscule amount of spray would create such a massive trail that it would be visible from 40,000 feet.
One other aspect that is not being considered is the chemical properties of the mist or fog being delivered, and how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.
Well you CAN see contrails can't you? Apparently it IS possible to see those, you admit that at least, correct? If the substance being sprayed can react chemically with the water vapor or the air itself, it very well COULD, and apparently IS visible.
He's trying to equate dry bulk powder to fine aerosol mist and fog. Sort of like comparing oranges to grains of sand. Give the guy a break. A low paid disinfo operator like him is probably working from a palate of approved lines and isn't allowed to actually think beyond rotely applying the few techniques he/she has been taught. Just because he's comparing Apples and Aardvarks and trying to say they're the same thing is no reason to get picky. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second? how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon?
Yes. I already placed the meat on the table watching this discussion. You are all over the map today. And I have never seen this before. Did something happen to you recently? I think you are a great poster. I hope you are doing OK in life.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Oh and BTW, do you admit that crop dusters DO leave visible trails of
pesticide? Hmmm, that plane sure looks like it's a tad bit smaller
than a 747, doesn't it?
True - we do not really know the composition of the formula, the full range of components, and the amount needed to produce the desired result. We have a few analyses of a few samples but no sample of the source formula. As well there seems to be more than one formula, but is likely suspended in the same basic solution. At different times samples have shown aluminum, barium, as well as more exotic components.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
in the picture of the duster, above. please tell us what the guy is dispensing, what it weighs, and how long the swath will be from a fully loaded duster. please tell us how much water vapor is produced in one hour from the fuel burned by a 747.
how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon? The water is in the air the engine breathes, not in the kerosene that fuels the aircraft. So if a chemical reaction could heat up the air just like a running jet engine could, and perhaps even lace it with various other substances at the same time, it very well COULD take a relatively small amount of material to produce the effect, since the amount of available water vapor is the same.
why dont you? are you unable to organize the rental of a little jet to go up and obtain samples? or are you afraid of what you'd find?
I believe that is what Mr. Haney on Green Acres always used. >(;^{)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second? how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon? How much wood could a Woodchuck chuck if a Woodchuck could chuck wood? You're getting lamer and just repeating the same disinfo tactics over and over. Your questions are irrelevant and simply exist to try and divert the discussion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second? how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon? if this is such a crisis, why are you afraid to rent a jet, go up, and take samples directly from a "chemtrail"? if it's so important, dont you think someone would have done that by now?
Please go read up on the subject, and learn that various chemicals such as barium have been found in dust found on vehicles shortly after a day of chemtrail activity. Look up the various KNOWN and ACCEPTED info on weather modification, especially in reference to barium. Then give me some calcuations as to why you think this is impossible. I want some calculus and actual physics, not some BS about fire fighting craft dumping dry chemicals on fires.
if the winds aloft are 100 mph, and the "chemtrails" are sprayed at an altitude of 30,000 feet, where will the "chemtrail" residue wind up?
ZERO, since the engines don't PRODUCE water, they simply exhaust whatever water vapor is in the air they are combusting. Trick question, eh? Apparently you didn't even know the answer to your own quetion since I already answered it, and you apparently didn't understand it. The AMOUNT of water vapor varies since the air itself contains varying amounts of water, depending on weather conditions.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: FormerLurker (#30)
#36. To: groundresonance (#33)
perhaps you've never been in a holding pattern at altitude to conserve fuel before you commenced your approach.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: FormerLurker (#34)
#38. To: FormerLurker (#36)
Planes don't fly high enough in a holding pattern to leave contrails, for one.
#39. To: Original_Intent (#31)
Under no conditions do they form from the ailerons.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: groundresonance (#38)
are you a professional pilot?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: groundresonance (#32)
Photographs are evidence.
#42. To: groundresonance (#37)
rainbows are evidence that god was doing "chemtrails" thousands of years ago, huh?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Some people wouldn't believe it if you actually flew them close enough to the sprayer
#44. To: Original_Intent (#41)
#45. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance, wudidiz, randge, all (#40)
are you a professional pilot?
#46. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#32)
you've been unable to explain how a 747 loaded to the gills is unable to produce a "chemtrail" of retardant that's longer than five miles.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: groundresonance, all (#38)
wiki -
* From 6,001 to 14,000 ft (4,300 m) MSL: 230 kn (426 km/h; 265 mph)
* Above 14000 ft MSL: 265 kn (491 km/h; 305 mph)
* 14000 ft to 20000 ft: 240kts
* 20000 ft to 34000 ft: 265kts
* Above 34000 ft: M0.83
#48. To: groundresonance, wudidiz, randge, FormerLurker (#44)
here's a question for the two of you...
#49. To: groundresonance (#43)
are we to assume that you have flown close enough to the sprayer to see it first hand?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: FormerLurker (#46)
(Edited)
you've been unable to explain how a 747 loaded to the gills is unable to produce a "chemtrail" of retardant that's longer than five miles.
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
somewhere towards the rear of the craft
#52. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance, wudidiz, randge, all (#49)
#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)
Perhaps our shill can explain why a little tiny crop dusting plane can lay down multiple rows of chemicals from that itty bitty plane which is much smaller than a "747"?
#54. To: Original_Intent (#52)
Perhaps our shill...
#55. To: groundresonance (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: Original_Intent (#52)
Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: buckeroo (#54)
#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)
an aerosol or fog being released at a MUCH lower flow rate.
#59. To: Original_Intent (#52)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: groundresonance (#58)
so such a miniscule amount of spray would create such a massive trail that it would be visible from 40,000 feet.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#56)
Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!
#62. To: FormerLurker (#59)
(Edited)
how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.
#63. To: Original_Intent (#57)
Do you have anything intelligent to bring to the table?
#64. To: groundresonance (#58)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker (#59)
One other aspect that is not being considered is the chemical properties of the mist or fog being delivered, and how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.
#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)
#67. To: groundresonance (#62)
how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: Original_Intent (#65)
we do not really know the composition of the formula,
#69. To: Original_Intent (#52)
You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!
Lord Acton
#70. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#62)
how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.
#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)
#72. To: groundresonance (#66)
please tell us how much water vapor is produced in one hour from the fuel burned by a 747.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker (#72)
barium have been found in dust
#74. To: groundresonance (#71)
how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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