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#46. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#32)

you've been unable to explain how a 747 loaded to the gills is unable to produce a "chemtrail" of retardant that's longer than five miles.

First off, you provide no link that backs your assertion. However, it doesn't take a lot of brains to understand the difference between dumping loads of dry flame retardant powder and an aerosol or fog sprayed out at a MUCH MUCH lower flow rate.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   18:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: groundresonance, all (#38)

wiki -

Maximum holding speeds are established in order to keep aircraft within the protected holding area during their one-minute inbound and outbound legs. For civil aircraft (not military) in the United States, these airspeeds are: [1]

* Up to 6,000 feet (1,800 m) MSL: 200 knots (370 km/h; 230 mph)
* From 6,001 to 14,000 ft (4,300 m) MSL: 230 kn (426 km/h; 265 mph)
* Above 14000 ft MSL: 265 kn (491 km/h; 305 mph)

The ICAO Maximum holding speeds:

* Up to 14000 ft: 230kts
* 14000 ft to 20000 ft: 240kts
* 20000 ft to 34000 ft: 265kts
* Above 34000 ft: M0.83

Lod  posted on  2010-03-13   18:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: groundresonance, wudidiz, randge, FormerLurker (#44)

here's a question for the two of you...

what percentage of observed contrails are actually "chemtrails"?

How many Angels can fit on the head of a pin?

Each occurrence has to be analyzed on its own merits and compared against known good data.

You are attempting to pose an unaswerable question to play "Gotcha".

I don't play "Gotcha".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   18:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: groundresonance (#43)

are we to assume that you have flown close enough to the sprayer to see it first hand?

For one, I HAVE seen the effects of the sprayers, and for two, I HAVE viewed the aircraft myself with binoculars and seen that the trails were not being formed by the engines, but from somewhere towards the rear of the craft, and not inline with the exhaust of the engines.

Perhaps you can ask someone you know to go sneak onto whatever classified airbase is launching these aircraft, take some pictures, and get back to us.

Get real bud.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   18:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: FormerLurker (#46) (Edited)

you've been unable to explain how a 747 loaded to the gills is unable to produce a "chemtrail" of retardant that's longer than five miles.

First off, you provide no link that backs your assertion.

evergreen propaganda isnt good enough for you, huh?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   18:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)

somewhere towards the rear of the craft

how many feet does it take water vapor to condense when it's emitted from an engine that's traveling 600 mph?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance, wudidiz, randge, all (#49)

Perhaps our shill can explain why a little tiny crop dusting plane can lay down multiple rows of chemicals from that itty bitty plane which is much smaller than a "747"?

Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   18:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)

Perhaps our shill can explain why a little tiny crop dusting plane can lay down multiple rows of chemicals from that itty bitty plane which is much smaller than a "747"?

how long does the swath last, how often the the plane have to reload?

and, compared to a 747, do you imagine you'd be able to see a cropduster if it was at 40,000 feet?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   18:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: Original_Intent (#52)

Perhaps our shill...

Clear evidence you are losing the argument, OI. Why are you so defensive today?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   18:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: groundresonance (#50)

Ok, but we're not talking about powder being dumped out of the plane to put out fires, we're talking about an aerosol or fog being released at a MUCH lower flow rate. Do you understand the difference between dumping huge amounts of powder and spraying a fine mist or fog that consists of minute liquid particles?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   18:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: Original_Intent (#52)

Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!

He's trying to equate dry bulk powder to fine aerosol mist and fog. Sort of like comparing oranges to grains of sand.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   18:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: buckeroo (#54)

Hi Bucky - here to play back-up for your compadre?

Do you have anything intelligent to bring to the table?

Maybe some evidence as opposed to Argumentum Ad Hominem?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   18:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: FormerLurker (#55)

an aerosol or fog being released at a MUCH lower flow rate.

so such a miniscule amount of spray would create such a massive trail that it would be visible from 40,000 feet.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   18:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: Original_Intent (#52)

One other aspect that is not being considered is the chemical properties of the mist or fog being delivered, and how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:00:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: groundresonance (#58)

so such a miniscule amount of spray would create such a massive trail that it would be visible from 40,000 feet.

Well you CAN see contrails can't you? Apparently it IS possible to see those, you admit that at least, correct?

If the substance being sprayed can react chemically with the water vapor or the air itself, it very well COULD, and apparently IS visible.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: FormerLurker (#56)

Based on the reasoning he is trying to imply that's impossible. You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!

He's trying to equate dry bulk powder to fine aerosol mist and fog. Sort of like comparing oranges to grains of sand.

Give the guy a break. A low paid disinfo operator like him is probably working from a palate of approved lines and isn't allowed to actually think beyond rotely applying the few techniques he/she has been taught.

Just because he's comparing Apples and Aardvarks and trying to say they're the same thing is no reason to get picky. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: FormerLurker (#59) (Edited)

how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: Original_Intent (#57)

Do you have anything intelligent to bring to the table?

Yes. I already placed the meat on the table watching this discussion. You are all over the map today. And I have never seen this before. Did something happen to you recently?

I think you are a great poster. I hope you are doing OK in life.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: groundresonance (#58)

Oh and BTW, do you admit that crop dusters DO leave visible trails of pesticide?

Hmmm, that plane sure looks like it's a tad bit smaller than a 747, doesn't it?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: FormerLurker (#59)

One other aspect that is not being considered is the chemical properties of the mist or fog being delivered, and how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.

True - we do not really know the composition of the formula, the full range of components, and the amount needed to produce the desired result.

We have a few analyses of a few samples but no sample of the source formula. As well there seems to be more than one formula, but is likely suspended in the same basic solution. At different times samples have shown aluminum, barium, as well as more exotic components.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)

in the picture of the duster, above.

please tell us what the guy is dispensing, what it weighs, and how long the swath will be from a fully loaded duster.

please tell us how much water vapor is produced in one hour from the fuel burned by a 747.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: groundresonance (#62)

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon?

The water is in the air the engine breathes, not in the kerosene that fuels the aircraft. So if a chemical reaction could heat up the air just like a running jet engine could, and perhaps even lace it with various other substances at the same time, it very well COULD take a relatively small amount of material to produce the effect, since the amount of available water vapor is the same.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: Original_Intent (#65)

we do not really know the composition of the formula,

why dont you?

are you unable to organize the rental of a little jet to go up and obtain samples?

or are you afraid of what you'd find?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: Original_Intent (#52)

You need a 747 to dust crops. LOL!

I believe that is what Mr. Haney on Green Acres always used. >(;^{)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-13   19:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#62)

how it reacts to air and/or water vapor.

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon?

How much wood could a Woodchuck chuck if a Woodchuck could chuck wood?

You're getting lamer and just repeating the same disinfo tactics over and over.

Your questions are irrelevant and simply exist to try and divert the discussion.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

how much space, in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000, does water vapor occupy, per gallon?

if this is such a crisis, why are you afraid to rent a jet, go up, and take samples directly from a "chemtrail"?

if it's so important, dont you think someone would have done that by now?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: groundresonance (#66)

please tell us how much water vapor is produced in one hour from the fuel burned by a 747.

Please go read up on the subject, and learn that various chemicals such as barium have been found in dust found on vehicles shortly after a day of chemtrail activity.

Look up the various KNOWN and ACCEPTED info on weather modification, especially in reference to barium. Then give me some calcuations as to why you think this is impossible.

I want some calculus and actual physics, not some BS about fire fighting craft dumping dry chemicals on fires.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: FormerLurker (#72)

barium have been found in dust

if the winds aloft are 100 mph, and the "chemtrails" are sprayed at an altitude of 30,000 feet, where will the "chemtrail" residue wind up?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: groundresonance (#71)

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

ZERO, since the engines don't PRODUCE water, they simply exhaust whatever water vapor is in the air they are combusting. Trick question, eh? Apparently you didn't even know the answer to your own quetion since I already answered it, and you apparently didn't understand it.

The AMOUNT of water vapor varies since the air itself contains varying amounts of water, depending on weather conditions.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: groundresonance (#73)

if the winds aloft are 100 mph, and the "chemtrails" are sprayed at an altitude of 30,000 feet, where will the "chemtrail" residue wind up?

If you have a jet engine up your ass, and you fart, which direction will the fart go, East, West, North, or South?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

LOL!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: groundresonance (#73)

That's basically the same thing you're asking me, since you gave no direction of the winds. Perhaps you should go ask your mom, she might give you the correct answer.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: FormerLurker (#74) (Edited)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance (#72)

I want some calculus and actual physics, not some BS about fire fighting craft dumping dry chemicals on fires.

Now, now. You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence? And calculations requiring higher math? From someone who probably can't do much more than simple Algebra?

How cruel.

Valid though.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: groundresonance (#78)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude.

OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)

You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence?

Lets see YOU produce evidence.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#78)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption.

So, the water content of the input air is constant?

At all altitudes?

All weather conditions?

Pardon my mirth.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: groundresonance (#78)

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

So the air has nothing to do with combustion, eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: Original_Intent (#79)

And calculations requiring higher math?

you're unable to post the combustion products of jet fuel or kerosene.

you're unable to explain why, if this were such a crisis, no one has gone up to sample "chemtrails" directly.

it only costs a couple thousand dollars an hour to rent a lear, their climb rate is something like !0,000 feet per minute, you could be up and back in half an hour.

why has no one bothered to do that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: Original_Intent (#82)

It's like I said, he's asking questions such as "if an elephant farts, which direction will it travel?", or "where do you bury the survivors if a plane crashes on an international border"...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: FormerLurker (#80)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude.

OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...

LOL!

Exactly.

At this point the shill is simply trying to keep his case from looking more threadbare and tattered than it already is. He lost the debate about 40 posts back but has just been recycling the same limited repetoire of disinformation tactics to try and bury that fact.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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