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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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Views: 16567
Comments: 715

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The flight paths go from point a to point b.

The chemtrails....

not so much.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Satellite view of Chemtrails Southeast U.S.:

if it's that big an operation, how come you guys cant come up with any evidence?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   22:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Kill dolphins! They're ugly! They foul tuna nets! And I like tuna!"

Heh, and this is supposed to shock me coming from you? It amuses me, it's the sort of irrationality that is your trademark. ;-D

Thanks for sharing, buttercup.

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Ferret  posted on  2010-03-17   22:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The flight paths go from point a to point b.

The chemtrails....

not so much.

uh huh.

does the temperature and humidity stay the same everywhere, all the time, at all altitudes?

or is the atmosphere like carly simon's "clouds in my coffee"?

and what about winds aloft? ...if an airplane is flying at 35,000 feet, and there's a 100 mph crosswind at that altitude, then what happens to that jet's contrail?

where is the contrail of a jet that comes by, on the same airway, 15 minutes later?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   22:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The funny-shaped (triangular) planes are Beechcraft Starships, from the same designer (Burt Rutan) of the SpaceShipOne fame (the first privately funded spacecraft to enter the realm of space twice within a two week period). They are NOT chemtrail planes.

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X-15  posted on  2010-03-17   22:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

does the temperature and humidity stay the same everywhere, all the time, at all altitudes?

No, the temperature and humidity conveniently change at the end of each chemtrail just so YOU can win this argument and look intelligent on the thread so as to impress the Ladies.

;-)

Just kidding wadosy.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

INGREDIENTS: CORN SYRUP, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, WATER, CELLULOSE GUM, CARAMEL COLOR, SALT, SODIUM BENZOATE AND SORBIC ACID (PRESERVATIVES), ARTIFICIAL AND NATURAL FLAVORS, SODIUM HEXAMETAPHOSPHATE.

WOWZA, no wonder your brain pan is popping on no cylinders. Dude, high fructose corn syrup, and other ingredients you need a chemist degree to pronounce.

I would switch to a healthier syrup. I realize the fictional trademark reminds you of Mom and her apple pancakes, Rice Crispie marshmallow treats, and other iconic White boy finger food, but you need to get over her dude. She is a fictional character, even if she is a very nice looking middle aged woman.

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Ferret  posted on  2010-03-17   22:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would switch to a healthier syrup.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:43:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the temperature and humidity conveniently change at the end of each chemtrail just so YOU can win this argument

looks to me like your problem is this: the only thing you got going for you is an emotional aversion to contrails, and you've convinced yourself that they're "chemtrials".

you're unable to provide evidence of a "chemtrail" project, and you refuse to accept evidence of natural chemical and physical processes that create chemtrails.

you dont have much going for you other than bullheadedness fueled by emotion.

but it's all good, since it gives the rest of us a chance to show what's really going on.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   22:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You remind me of yukon.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

looks to me like your problem is this: the only thing you got going for you is an emotional aversion to contrails, and you've convinced yourself that they're "chemtrials".

you're unable to provide evidence of a "chemtrail" project, and you refuse to accept evidence of natural chemical and physical processes that create chemtrails.

you dont have much going for you other than bullheadedness fueled by emotion.

but it's all good, since it gives the rest of us a chance to show what's really going on.

looks to me like your problem is this: the only thing you got going for you is an emotional aversion to chemtrails, and you've convinced yourself that they're "contrails".

you're unable to accept evidence of a "chemtrail" project, and you refuse to accept evidence of unnatural chemical and physical processes that create chemtrails.

you dont have much going for you other than bullheadedness fueled by emotion.

but it's all good, since it gives the rest of us a chance to show what's really going on.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ya man, that's the real stuff right there. The true nectar of the sugar maple tree.

One taste of that, and I guarantee all your Aunt J. pin-up pictures will be heading to the landfill, Post Script USA. ;-)

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Ferret  posted on  2010-03-17   22:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

2010-03-13 16:47:57 ET

2010-03-17 22:44:33 ET

So much stamina.

Amazing.

rack42  posted on  2010-03-17   22:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"You remind me of yukon."

Don't think so; much smarter than Yukon and doesn't show anger and lash out when he is pissed anywhere near the same way.

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Ferret  posted on  2010-03-17   22:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He's a trooper!

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   22:56:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

sorry, but i'm not the one that posts lies in support of my "chemtrail" theory.

if you could provide one shred of legitimate proof of a "chemtrail" project in progress, it would be different.

meanwhile, others of us have been posting page after page after page of explanations of how, why, when, and where contrails will form because of well documented, well known chemical and physical processes.

worst of all, every "contrail" picture you post is worth absolutely nothing, because it does not have data about the flight's altitude, or the temp and humidity of the air that the airplane's flying through...

and your "eyewitness" stuff is just as lame, seeing as how you dont know the altitude of the planes, and havent the foggiest idea as to the temperature and humidity at that altitude.

emotion and bullheadedness, that's all you got.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   22:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't think so; much smarter than Yukon and doesn't show anger and lash out when he is pissed anywhere near the same way.

I don't think so either.

It's just how he ignores proof presented, demands impossible proof and complete solutions that reminds me of yukon.

I seriously question whether yukon is a real person or not.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   23:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

emotion and bullheadedness, that's all you got.

That and the ability to discern fact from fiction.

And I'm good lookin'!

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-17   23:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

he ignores proof presented,

now that you've posted photographs that are out-and-out lies, the "proof" you present is even more suspect than ever.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   23:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And I'm good lookin'!

me, too

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   23:08:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"if you could provide one shred of legitimate proof of a "chemtrail" project in progress, it would be different.

meanwhile, others of us have been posting page after page after page of explanations of how, why, when, and where contrails will form because of well documented, well known chemical and physical processes.

worst of all, every "contrail" picture you post is worth absolutely nothing, because it does not have data about the flight's altitude, or the temp and humidity of the air that the airplane's flying through...

and your "eyewitness" stuff is just as lame, seeing as how you dont know the altitude of the planes, and havent the foggiest idea as to the temperature and humidity at that altitude."

Tell yo what dude, I am a pilot, a former U.S. Army UH-1H mechanic and crew chief from a family full of living and dead aviators.

His stuff makes sense to me. He does make sense in the above quote.

I admire and enjoy your enthusiasm, and I am not fully convinced there is not something going on with the contrails. But remember, the atmosphere is different an constantly changing, as is aviation.

He is always going to be able to stalemate you as long as he continues to correctly identify your evidence as not vetted properly with objective scientific study done in an impartial manner.

That is just why posting on these forums can be frustrating. Both of you are doing great jobs working your side of the issue. Unfortunately for your advocacy here, he knows where the gray area is buried and is not afraid to dig it up.

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Ferret  posted on  2010-03-17   23:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if you could provide one shred of legitimate proof of a "chemtrail" project in progress, it would be different.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base confirmed to the Ohio newspaper, Columbus Alive, that they were involved in aerial spraying experiments. One involved aluminum oxide spraying related to global warming and the other involved barium stearate and had to do with high-tech military communications.

And even in the face of government denials, environmental laboratories have begun to identify an extremely toxic component of the spray drifting over cities and countryside. Several independent sources claim that samples of fallout from the lingering smoke trails and have been independently tested and found to contain ethylene dibromide (EDB).

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-17   23:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Several independent sources claim that samples of fallout from the lingering smoke trails and have been independently tested and found to contain ethylene dibromide (EDB).

...but you're apparently unable to name those sources, and you're unable to confirm that the "fallout" is coming from "chemtrails".

what would be wrong with you organizing a project to recruit people to spot "chemtrails" for you, put together a sampling crew including bona fide atmospheric scientists, hire a plane, and take samples directly from the "chemtrails"?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-17   23:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-03-18   0:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"do not fade away like a normal contrail..."

which means they could have been persistent contrails, but we have no way of knowing because bill nichols had no way of determining the altitude, temperature and humidity of the "chemtrails".

nobody knows where the barium came from.

i guess bill nichols should save his pennies and hire a plane to take direct samples of his "chemtrails".

please post evidence of increased mortality in stamps, arkansas.

please post evidence that bill nichols didnt soup up his sample a little before he turned it over to the movie guys.

please post evidence that bill nichols' fame lasted longer than 15 minutes.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-18   1:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both of you are doing great jobs working your side of the issue. Unfortunately for your advocacy here, he knows where the gray area is buried and is not afraid to dig it up.

My friend, please answer the two questions I asked in post #564

and tell me what you think when comparing the two images in post #649

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   1:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

persistent contrails

disinfo

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   1:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   1:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Contrails are the result of condensation from engine exhaust.

They follow the plane only a few lengths behind, dissipate and disappear quickly.

Chemtrails stay in the sky and spread out across the sky forming a light haze.

Ice crystals from condensation from engine exhaust would not spread out across the sky forming a haze.

Are we to believe that Airplanes now make clouds?

Is that the 'Latest Science'?

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   2:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

'Latest Science'

Brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   2:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

7190 meters is about 23,600 feet.

are you saying that contrails cant form at 23,600 feet if the temp is -35 and the humidity is 32%?

why dont you plot those figures on an appleman chart and see what you come up with.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-18   2:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Definitions

Let’s take a look at how the dictionaries define “contrails,” or “condensation trails.”

1.Streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes; year, 1943 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contrail)

2. A cloudlike streamer frequently seen forming behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air (http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/ams/glossary.html)

3. A cloud-like streamer or trail often seen behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air. A vapor trail is created when the water vapor from the engine exhaust gases are added to the atmosphere. (http://www.weather.com/glossary/c.html)

4. An artificial cloud created by an aircraft; caused either by condensation due to the reduction in air pressure above the wing surface or by water vapor in the engine exhaust. (http://www.dictionaryofdefinitions.com/what-is-the-definition-of-contrail.html)

Note that the first definition (written in 1943) mentions “streaks” of condensed water vapor, rather than “cloud-like” formations. The more modern definitions seem to focus on a similarity between clouds and contrails, as if contrails normally can morph into clouds and remain in the sky for hours at a time.

They're trying to change the definition of a contrail, but are not accounting for WHY THESE 'NEW' CONTRAILS ACT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OLD ONES!

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   2:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't need an 'appleman chart' to know that real contrails don't stay in the sky like your so called 'persistant contrails' do.

'Persistant contrail' is the governments word for something that is not a contrail.

Sorry, you're not even close.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   3:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

'Persistant contrail' is the governments word for something that is not a contrail.

okay...

so i guess you wont mind if i plot that data from the video, huh?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-18   3:05:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

are you saying that contrails cant form at 23,600 feet if the temp is -35 and the humidity is 32%?

That's what this guy's saying:

for normal contrails to form, linger, and spread to persistent contrails temperatures must be -40° C. or lower, and humidity values must be 60% or higher

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   3:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so i guess you wont mind if i plot that data from the video, huh?

What video?

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   3:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What video?

that video you took down after i told you it was haywire.

nevermind, i can probably find it again.

EDIT: here it is, in case anyone wants to watch another example of ignorance from a "chemtrail" believer.

NASA Appleman Chart - PROOF of Chemtrails

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-18   3:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What a f**k-show.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   3:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that video you took down after i told you it was haywire.

I took it down before you replied to it.

I decided it wasn't worth discussing.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-03-18   3:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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