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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#676. To: Ferret (#671)
My friend, please answer the two questions I asked in post #564 and tell me what you think when comparing the two images in post #649
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Contrails are the result of condensation from engine exhaust. They follow the plane only a few lengths behind, dissipate and disappear quickly. Chemtrails stay in the sky and spread out across the sky forming a light haze. Ice crystals from condensation from engine exhaust would not spread out across the sky forming a haze. Are we to believe that Airplanes now make clouds? Is that the 'Latest Science'?
'Latest Science' Brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.
7190 meters is about 23,600 feet. are you saying that contrails cant form at 23,600 feet if the temp is -35 and the humidity is 32%? why dont you plot those figures on an appleman chart and see what you come up with.
Definitions Let’s take a look at how the dictionaries define “contrails,” or “condensation trails.” 1.Streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes; year, 1943 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contrail) 2. A cloudlike streamer frequently seen forming behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air (http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/ams/glossary.html) 3. A cloud-like streamer or trail often seen behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air. A vapor trail is created when the water vapor from the engine exhaust gases are added to the atmosphere. (http://www.weather.com/glossary/c.html) 4. An artificial cloud created by an aircraft; caused either by condensation due to the reduction in air pressure above the wing surface or by water vapor in the engine exhaust. (http://www.dictionaryofdefinitions.com/what-is-the-definition-of-contrail.html) Note that the first definition (written in 1943) mentions “streaks” of condensed water vapor, rather than “cloud-like” formations. The more modern definitions seem to focus on a similarity between clouds and contrails, as if contrails normally can morph into clouds and remain in the sky for hours at a time. I don't need an 'appleman chart' to know that real contrails don't stay in the sky like your so called 'persistant contrails' do. 'Persistant contrail' is the governments word for something that is not a contrail. Sorry, you're not even close.
okay... so i guess you wont mind if i plot that data from the video, huh?
That's what this guy's saying: What video?
that video you took down after i told you it was haywire. nevermind, i can probably find it again. EDIT: here it is, in case anyone wants to watch another example of ignorance from a "chemtrail" believer.
What a f**k-show.
I took it down before you replied to it. I decided it wasn't worth discussing.
The 9-11 shot I agree was caused by explosives. The contrail picture is dramatic, but there are too many variables and not enough specific and well measure data to answer your question with a "yes, those have to be chemically enhanced." There well may be a real contrail conspiracy, but as much as I admire how you stick to your guns and regardless of the enthusiasm of your advocacy, I have to truthfully say I don't see enough evidence measured and quantified properly to agree with any more than that anything is possible. Apologies, I really have to be honest.
I wouldn't have asked you if I thought you'd lie. :-) I understand that my "contrails dissipate and disappear" lacks evidence that would force you to be convinced. If you don't know that you have only my word to take as proof. That isn't enough. I know they're not contrails. I remember when contrails were defined differently than they are now. I remember when rarely if ever were there chemtrails or 'persistent contrails' (a term based on a lie). I remember when the sky was a clearer blue and not covered with a light haze from whatever the airplanes are dumping.
LOL! Dey mus' have been sprayin' Love Potion #9. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. WEll that is the first thing you said in some time that makes sense. HFCS is a killer, and they only use it because per each can of soda for example, it's like one cent cheaper than cane / beet sugar. It's best avoided. It's probably why so many are obese.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or You have to apologize to be honest?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or if you could provide one shred of legitimate proof of a "chemtrail" project in progress, it would be different. meanwhile, others of us have been posting page after page after page of explanations of how, why, when, and where contrails will form because of well documented, well known chemical and physical processes. worst of all, every "contrail" picture you post is worth absolutely nothing, because it does not have data about the flight's altitude, or the temp and humidity of the air that the airplane's flying through... and your "eyewitness" stuff is just as lame, seeing as how you dont know the altitude of the planes, and havent the foggiest idea as to the temperature and humidity at that altitude. emotion and bullheadedness, that's all you got. You just distilled an almost 700 post thread into one neat package.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or The chemtrails.... not so much. So exactly what is the variation between a contrail and a chemtrail in terms of an observation? Do they always make that "X" or zig-zag as your earlier pictures suggest?
If one wants to denote a difference between difference of some deference to polite respect of others to disgust of their belief system fuel by hatred and fear, and how it makes them a thief of the social standing and respect of others, it is appropriate to frame criticism that way, yes. I absolutely do not in any way hate you, or anyone else in this forum. But that does not apply to my loathing of racism. Understand now? You probably don't at first glance, so think about it. ;-)
Great pictures. I was in a park once and saw two raccoons in a tree. A Mom and her two kids were walking my way and I thought to share the delights of seeing nature with them and pointed these critters out. Just then, they made it plain one was a boy the other a girl as they started to make bacon. Man, did that lady give me a look that could kill.
Bullshit. If you're honest, there is no need to apologize. If there is a difference of opinion, then state the difference. It's not personal.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Mr. wudidiz ... you can't say that just yet. You have to have a song! Indeed so. I agree.
Yeah, its caused by jet fuel.
Let’s take a look at how the dictionaries define “contrails,” or “condensation trails.” 1.Streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes; year, 1943 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contrail) 2. A cloudlike streamer frequently seen forming behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air (http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/ams/glossary.html) 3. A cloud-like streamer or trail often seen behind aircraft flying in clear, cold, humid air. A vapor trail is created when the water vapor from the engine exhaust gases are added to the atmosphere. (http://www.weather.com/glossary/c.html) 4. An artificial cloud created by an aircraft; caused either by condensation due to the reduction in air pressure above the wing surface or by water vapor in the engine exhaust. (http://www.dictionaryofdefinitions.com/what-is-the-definition-of-contrail.html) Note that the first definition (written in 1943) mentions “streaks” of condensed water vapor, rather than “cloud-like” formations. The more modern definitions seem to focus on a similarity between clouds and contrails, as if contrails normally can morph into clouds and remain in the sky for hours at a time. They're trying to change the definition of a contrail, but are not accounting for WHY THESE 'NEW' CONTRAILS ACT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OLD ONES! Exactly - if you can't change the evidence change the explanation of the evidence. It shows you that there are lawyer-like minds helping to create the disinformation. Of course it is another thing which Orwell spoke of in 1984 - "Newspeak". Control the definitions of the terms and you control the discussion. So, the definition of contrails morphs over time into a definition resembling more and more the Chemtrail definition to the point where semantically they are indistinguishable. It is an important concept to understand because it is more than Chemtrails this has occurred with. Look at the Middle East - people fighting for their homes against a foreign invader were first called a resistance (and then the Bush Junta objected), so they became "insurgents" - as though people resisting a foreign invasion were resisting a legitimate government rather than a puppet. Israel is a past master at it - where ten year olds throwing rocks become "terrorists" and therefore a legitimate target for a sniper's bullet.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I find it hard to swallow that whatever burning fuel that was not consumed in the giant fireballs visible outside those buildings was capable of bringing down a quarter million tons of steel in each event. The resulting building fires were on the wane when the Towers crumpled up and fell nearly straight down.
I see psyops everywhere.
You can't boil a melon with a candle, and you can't destroy buildings like that with JP-4. Jet fuel burns fast, but does not explode. You need real explosives like thermite to do that. 9-11 was an inside job. The jetliner hijacking to ram them was just used as cover and concealment for deeper dirty work. Not to mention the Jihadists were guests to their own scapegoating for bunker busting work their acts of terror were incapable of causing.
I don't want to veer off the central thread topic. But you do realize, that irrespective of the way the towers came down the initial trigger mechanism was a jet crashing into the various or respective buildings, correct? So, lets cut to the chase with a classical enigma solved ... which came first the chicken or the egg?
See immediately above.
Thermite is not an explosive.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Isn't this one of the more fun threads you have been on? I love it!
I "realize" no such thing, bucky.
I see psyops everywhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite And I knew that, thanks for the correction. I got a chance to 'play' with white phosphorus in the U.S. Army and learned that about thermite then as well. I should do better now I am finally drinking my first cuppa java. ;-)
Fun? I don't know. It's certainly lively. But in over 700 posts, we are right where we began. Some have tried to talk sense to the True Believers, and it went in one ear and right out the other. Probably because it didn't meet any resistance due to empty brain cavities. But like little kids, they do love the pictures in their story books! LOL!
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Take a minute out and consider what has been learned. There are two apparent sides to the discussion: protagonists (advancing the differentiation of apparent chemtrails from contrails) and antagonists (dismissing much of the appearance). The protagonists have not listened to one input from the antagonists; the inputs are rejected because, in their final analysis the antagonists are nothing more than government supporters. Oh, I just love it! It doesn't get better than this. The complete denial of facts, figures and realistically presented data supporting intelligent analysis is the core reason for the way America operates these days.
I can see that, if you are trying to understand others thought processes, such as they are... I went thru the same thing when I first started posting about Alex Jones here. It's funny watching some people go thru all kinds of contortions to avoid seeing facts. They sure do love their sacred cows.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Both of you are doing great jobs working your side of the issue. Unfortunately for your advocacy here, he knows where the gray area is buried and is not afraid to dig it up.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#677. To: abraxas, groundresonance (#675)
persistent contrails
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#678. To: groundresonance (#675)
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“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#679. To: Original_Intent, christine, Lod, All (#678)
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“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#680. To: Original_Intent, christine, Lod, All (#679)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#681. To: wudidiz (#678)
#682. To: Original_Intent, christine, Lod, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Miracle Rose, Jethro Tull, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, All (#680)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#683. To: groundresonance (#681)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#684. To: wudidiz (#683)
(Edited)
'Persistant contrail' is the governments word for something that is not a contrail.
#685. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, all (#681)
are you saying that contrails cant form at 23,600 feet if the temp is -35 and the humidity is 32%?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#686. To: groundresonance (#684)
so i guess you wont mind if i plot that data from the video, huh?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#687. To: wudidiz (#686)
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What video?
#688. To: All (#687)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#689. To: groundresonance (#687)
that video you took down after i told you it was haywire.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#690. To: wudidiz (#688)
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#691. To: Ferret (#690)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#692. To: All (#691)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#693. To: wudidiz (#692)
Lord Acton
#694. To: Ferret (#657)
Dude, high fructose corn syrup
die kill ~~ Me
#695. To: Ferret (#690)
Apologies, I really have to be honest.
die kill ~~ Me
#696. To: groundresonance (#666)
sorry, but i'm not the one that posts lies in support of my "chemtrail" theory.
die kill ~~ Me
#697. To: wudidiz (#650)
The flight paths go from point a to point b.
#698. To: PSUSA (#695)
"You have to apologize to be honest?"
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#699. To: wudidiz (#692)
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#700. To: Ferret (#698)
die kill ~~ Me
#701. To: wudidiz, PSUSA, all (#688)
What a f**k-show.
#702. To: PSUSA (#694)
"HFCS is a killer, and they only use it because per each can of soda for example, it's like one cent cheaper than cane / beet sugar. It's best avoided. It's probably why so many are obese."
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#703. To: Ferret (#690)
The 9-11 shot I agree was caused by explosives.
#704. To: wudidiz (#682)
Definitions
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery
#705. To: buckeroo (#703)
#706. To: buckeroo (#703)
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#707. To: randge (#705)
I find it hard to swallow that whatever burning fuel that was not consumed in the giant fireballs visible outside those buildings was capable of bringing down a quarter million tons of steel in each event.
#708. To: Ferret (#706)
#709. To: Ferret (#706)
You need real explosives like thermite to do that.
die kill ~~ Me
#710. To: PSUSA (#709)
Thermite is not an explosive.
#711. To: buckeroo (#707)
But you do realize, that irrespective of the way the towers came down the initial trigger mechanism was a jet crashing into the various or respective buildings, correct?
#712. To: PSUSA (#709)
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"Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time."
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#713. To: buckeroo (#710)
Isn't this one of the more fun threads you have been on? I love it!
die kill ~~ Me
#714. To: PSUSA (#713)
It's certainly lively. But in over 700 posts, we are right where we began.
#715. To: buckeroo (#714)
It doesn't get better than this.
die kill ~~ Me
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