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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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#74. To: groundresonance (#71)

how much water vapor, from burning fuel, is a 747 producing per second?

ZERO, since the engines don't PRODUCE water, they simply exhaust whatever water vapor is in the air they are combusting. Trick question, eh? Apparently you didn't even know the answer to your own quetion since I already answered it, and you apparently didn't understand it.

The AMOUNT of water vapor varies since the air itself contains varying amounts of water, depending on weather conditions.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: groundresonance (#73)

if the winds aloft are 100 mph, and the "chemtrails" are sprayed at an altitude of 30,000 feet, where will the "chemtrail" residue wind up?

If you have a jet engine up your ass, and you fart, which direction will the fart go, East, West, North, or South?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

LOL!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: groundresonance (#73)

That's basically the same thing you're asking me, since you gave no direction of the winds. Perhaps you should go ask your mom, she might give you the correct answer.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FormerLurker (#74) (Edited)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance (#72)

I want some calculus and actual physics, not some BS about fire fighting craft dumping dry chemicals on fires.

Now, now. You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence? And calculations requiring higher math? From someone who probably can't do much more than simple Algebra?

How cruel.

Valid though.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: groundresonance (#78)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude.

OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)

You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence?

Lets see YOU produce evidence.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#78)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption.

So, the water content of the input air is constant?

At all altitudes?

All weather conditions?

Pardon my mirth.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: groundresonance (#78)

the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.

So the air has nothing to do with combustion, eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Original_Intent (#79)

And calculations requiring higher math?

you're unable to post the combustion products of jet fuel or kerosene.

you're unable to explain why, if this were such a crisis, no one has gone up to sample "chemtrails" directly.

it only costs a couple thousand dollars an hour to rent a lear, their climb rate is something like !0,000 feet per minute, you could be up and back in half an hour.

why has no one bothered to do that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Original_Intent (#82)

It's like I said, he's asking questions such as "if an elephant farts, which direction will it travel?", or "where do you bury the survivors if a plane crashes on an international border"...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FormerLurker (#80)

at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?

How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude.

OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...

LOL!

Exactly.

At this point the shill is simply trying to keep his case from looking more threadbare and tattered than it already is. He lost the debate about 40 posts back but has just been recycling the same limited repetoire of disinformation tactics to try and bury that fact.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: FormerLurker (#80)

.. but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you [groundresonance]are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...

You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: groundresonance (#84)

why has no one bothered to do that?

FAA regulations for one. For two, try getting too close to a military aircraft on an intercept path and see what happens.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo (#87)

You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?

Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent (#86) (Edited)

please post 747 fuel consumption.

please post the amount of water produced by a turbine engine as it burns kerosene or jet fuel.

please post the number of tons of water vapor produced by a 747 per hour.

please post the number of cubic feet occupied by a gallon's worth of water vapor at 40,000 feet.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FormerLurker (#85) (Edited)

It's like I said, he's asking questions such as "if an elephant farts, which direction will it travel?", or "where do you bury the survivors if a plane crashes on an international border"...

Yes. He's just doing all he knows how to do which is to try and confuse the issue, make it out to be more complex than it is, and generally try to create a fog through which the casual reader would not want to wade, but if anyone goes back to around post 30 and works forward his tactics become apparent and his arguments shown to be the noxious vapor they are.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FormerLurker (#89)

Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck?

It doesn't count. You are clearly losing momentum on this thread.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: FormerLurker (#88)

FAA regulations for one. For two, try getting too close to a military aircraft on an intercept path and see what happens

if contrails last for hours, and the military jets are going 500 or 600 miles per hour, how long will it take them to get out of your way as you're collecting samples?

if you wait an hour, assuming you've got a suspect "chemtrail" that's showing persistence according to "chemtrail" dogma, that jet is gonna be 500 miles down the road before you even get cranked.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: groundresonance (#84)

Ok, I'll concede the fact that kerosene combustion products DO include water, but the fact is, the ACTUAL water content of the exhaust is DEPENDENT on the amount of water vapor in the air, the density of the air, and various other factors.

That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust. AND, water could just as easily be carried in tanks and heated, resulting in a similar amount of water concentration. Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: FormerLurker (#89)

You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?

Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck?

Buckie is just being cantankerous again. I stuck a needle in him on an earlier thread and so now he's come a' gunnin'.

Ignore him and eventually he'll go away.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: groundresonance (#93)

if contrails last for hours, and the military jets are going 500 or 600 miles per hour, how long will it take them to get out of your way as you're collecting samples?

How many people could or would file a flight plan to fly a private jet into a chemtrail, and how many people could afford to do so?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FormerLurker (#94)

Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?

Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: buckeroo (#92)

You are clearly losing momentum on this thread.

You are clearly bored and trolling...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#97)

Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?

How small would a fog machine for angels dancing on the head of a pin have to be? LOL....


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: FormerLurker (#99)

Hee, hee.

Oh, Hunnert!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FormerLurker (#94) (Edited)

That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust.

there are laws of chemistry, and chemical reactions proceed according to those laws.

combustion is a chemical reaction, it conforms to laws of chemistry.

please fill in the blank.

a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion.

please fill in another blank...

the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000' on a standard day.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#101)

Please fill in the blank.

Kiss my ___.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-13   19:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: groundresonance (#101)

please fill in the blank.

a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion.

please fill in another blank...

the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000 on a standard day.

Just non-sequitors, since we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.

But since you appear to have the answers, why don't you go ahead and post them.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: FormerLurker (#75)

If you have a jet engine up your ass, and you fart, which direction will the fart go, East, West, North, or South?

LOL!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-13   19:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: James Deffenbach (#104)

LOL!

Yep, I chuckled over that one too... :)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: FormerLurker (#103)

we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.

...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water.

if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: FormerLurker (#98)

At least you conceded an important issue based upon my urging of the same. Thank you kindly. I have known you on the Internet for five years. You create excellent views and I have never seen you lose your cool or lie or play some scoundrel as OI affectionately considers me.

And I think another five years into the future, too. Damned good idea... but don't get defensive.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-03-13   19:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: groundresonance (#106)

hmmm, that's interesting. Water is produced from burning jet fuel? So all that jet fuel that burned at the WTC towers when the planes struck them also produced water?

I am asking because I don't know, seems kind of nuts to me though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-03-13   19:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: FormerLurker (#105)

It was a good one. Too bad Mr. Haney died, he could have probably answered your question (for a nominal fee of course).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-03-13   19:52:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: RickyJ (#108) (Edited)

seems kind of nuts to me though

is your google broke?

combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: groundresonance (#106)

if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".

Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light, or a planetary scientist to know that the reason why it's dark at night is because the Earth is rotating on it's axis?

More innuendo, conjecture, and false logic...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: groundresonance (#106)

One of your posts asked, given a certain wind speed, which direction will the chemtrails travel. Do you admit that was an illogical and idiotic question?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-03-13   19:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: FormerLurker (#111)

Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light

how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails if you are unable to understand one of the most basic chemical laws involved in producing contrails?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-03-13   19:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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