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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#78. To: FormerLurker (#74)
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at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747? the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion. it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption.
Now, now. You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence? And calculations requiring higher math? From someone who probably can't do much more than simple Algebra? How cruel. Valid though.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude. OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...
Lets see YOU produce evidence.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion. it does not vary with anything other than fuel consumption. So, the water content of the input air is constant? At all altitudes? All weather conditions? Pardon my mirth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So the air has nothing to do with combustion, eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
you're unable to post the combustion products of jet fuel or kerosene. you're unable to explain why, if this were such a crisis, no one has gone up to sample "chemtrails" directly. it only costs a couple thousand dollars an hour to rent a lear, their climb rate is something like !0,000 feet per minute, you could be up and back in half an hour. why has no one bothered to do that?
It's like I said, he's asking questions such as "if an elephant farts, which direction will it travel?", or "where do you bury the survivors if a plane crashes on an international border"...
How much water vapor is in the sky above your head right now, and at what density is the water vapor at any given altitude. OI is right, you ARE far beyond just getting ridiculous and playing dumb, you ARE posting idiotic questions trying to make yourself appear to have some understanding of what you are saying, but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"... LOL! Exactly. At this point the shill is simply trying to keep his case from looking more threadbare and tattered than it already is. He lost the debate about 40 posts back but has just been recycling the same limited repetoire of disinformation tactics to try and bury that fact.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
FAA regulations for one. For two, try getting too close to a military aircraft on an intercept path and see what happens.
Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck?
please post 747 fuel consumption. please post the amount of water produced by a turbine engine as it burns kerosene or jet fuel. please post the number of tons of water vapor produced by a 747 per hour. please post the number of cubic feet occupied by a gallon's worth of water vapor at 40,000 feet.
Yes. He's just doing all he knows how to do which is to try and confuse the issue, make it out to be more complex than it is, and generally try to create a fog through which the casual reader would not want to wade, but if anyone goes back to around post 30 and works forward his tactics become apparent and his arguments shown to be the noxious vapor they are.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It doesn't count. You are clearly losing momentum on this thread.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
if contrails last for hours, and the military jets are going 500 or 600 miles per hour, how long will it take them to get out of your way as you're collecting samples? if you wait an hour, assuming you've got a suspect "chemtrail" that's showing persistence according to "chemtrail" dogma, that jet is gonna be 500 miles down the road before you even get cranked.
Ok, I'll concede the fact that kerosene combustion products DO include water, but the fact is, the ACTUAL water content of the exhaust is DEPENDENT on the amount of water vapor in the air, the density of the air, and various other factors. That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust. AND, water could just as easily be carried in tanks and heated, resulting in a similar amount of water concentration. Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?
Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck? Buckie is just being cantankerous again. I stuck a needle in him on an earlier thread and so now he's come a' gunnin'. Ignore him and eventually he'll go away.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
How many people could or would file a flight plan to fly a private jet into a chemtrail, and how many people could afford to do so?
Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are clearly bored and trolling...
How small would a fog machine for angels dancing on the head of a pin have to be? LOL....
Hee, hee. Oh, Hunnert!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
there are laws of chemistry, and chemical reactions proceed according to those laws. combustion is a chemical reaction, it conforms to laws of chemistry. please fill in the blank. a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion. please fill in another blank... the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000' on a standard day.
Please fill in the blank. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion. please fill in another blank... the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000 on a standard day. Just non-sequitors, since we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place. But since you appear to have the answers, why don't you go ahead and post them.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep, I chuckled over that one too... :)
...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water. if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".
At least you conceded an important issue based upon my urging of the same. Thank you kindly. I have known you on the Internet for five years. You create excellent views and I have never seen you lose your cool or lie or play some scoundrel as OI affectionately considers me. And I think another five years into the future, too. Damned good idea... but don't get defensive.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
hmmm, that's interesting. Water is produced from burning jet fuel? So all that jet fuel that burned at the WTC towers when the planes struck them also produced water? I am asking because I don't know, seems kind of nuts to me though.
God is always good!
It was a good one. Too bad Mr. Haney died, he could have probably answered your question (for a nominal fee of course). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. is your google broke? combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light, or a planetary scientist to know that the reason why it's dark at night is because the Earth is rotating on it's axis? More innuendo, conjecture, and false logic...
One of your posts asked, given a certain wind speed, which direction will the chemtrails travel. Do you admit that was an illogical and idiotic question?
how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails if you are unable to understand one of the most basic chemical laws involved in producing contrails?
...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water. if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails". Oh, horseshit! One can still observe on a qualitative basis and see that there is something occurring which does not square with known data. You are attempting to create a confusion where none exists. Chemtrails are an observable fact. They do not conform to the known characteristics of a normal contrail. Therefore it is an unexplained phenomena. Please explain to us how contrails form on the tips of ailerons as in the photo posted earlier on the thread? No, your tactics are clear, ask irrelevant questions which delve off into minutiae not relevant to making an observation. You are simply trying to create diversions and confuse the issues. The Chemtrails exist and there are hundreds of photos to document that fact such as those at www.carnicom.com They occur under circumstances where normal contrails do not. They persist longer than a normal contrail, are laid out in patterns, and exhibit spreading and other qualitatively observable characteristics that conflict with the known behavior of real contrails.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Are you trying to say that for one, you need to understand the chemical formula and byproducts of combustion in order to see contrails, and for two, are you trying to say that water content in the air, air temperature, and air density, are all unimportant and unrelated factors in regards to contrail formation?
Let me answer your earlier pictures of the spectra contained in these contrails. The phenomena is called refraction of light and instead of being absorbed by water vapor, the radiation refracts or bends sunlight to produce the majestic colours you see from time to time. It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel. As your pictures show, it is pretty phenomena, don't you think?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
yes, they do. they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
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#79. To: FormerLurker, groundresonance (#72)
I want some calculus and actual physics, not some BS about fire fighting craft dumping dry chemicals on fires.
#80. To: groundresonance (#78)
at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)
You're asking a shill to actually produce evidence?
#82. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#78)
at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?
#83. To: groundresonance (#78)
the amount of water exhausted by a turbine engine is determined by the chemical reaction of combustion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: Original_Intent (#79)
And calculations requiring higher math?
#85. To: Original_Intent (#82)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: FormerLurker (#80)
at what rate does water vapor come out of the exhaust of a 747?
#87. To: FormerLurker (#80)
.. but to MOST people with any degree of intelligence, you [groundresonance]are asking questions such as "if a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border, where do you bury the survivors"...
#88. To: groundresonance (#84)
why has no one bothered to do that?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: buckeroo (#87)
You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: Original_Intent (#86)
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#91. To: FormerLurker (#85)
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It's like I said, he's asking questions such as "if an elephant farts, which direction will it travel?", or "where do you bury the survivors if a plane crashes on an international border"...
#92. To: FormerLurker (#89)
Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck?
#93. To: FormerLurker (#88)
FAA regulations for one. For two, try getting too close to a military aircraft on an intercept path and see what happens
#94. To: groundresonance (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: FormerLurker (#89)
You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?
#96. To: groundresonance (#93)
if contrails last for hours, and the military jets are going 500 or 600 miles per hour, how long will it take them to get out of your way as you're collecting samples?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker (#94)
Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?
#98. To: buckeroo (#92)
You are clearly losing momentum on this thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: Original_Intent (#97)
Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: FormerLurker (#99)
#101. To: FormerLurker (#94)
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That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust.
#102. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#101)
Kiss my ___.
#103. To: groundresonance (#101)
please fill in the blank.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: FormerLurker (#75)
If you have a jet engine up your ass, and you fart, which direction will the fart go, East, West, North, or South?
Lord Acton
#105. To: James Deffenbach (#104)
LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: FormerLurker (#103)
we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.
#107. To: FormerLurker (#98)
#108. To: groundresonance (#106)
#109. To: FormerLurker (#105)
Lord Acton
#110. To: RickyJ (#108)
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seems kind of nuts to me though
#111. To: groundresonance (#106)
if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: groundresonance (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: FormerLurker (#111)
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light
#114. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#106)
we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.
#115. To: groundresonance (#113)
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how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: FormerLurker (#111)
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light,
#117. To: Original_Intent (#114)
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The Chemtrails exist
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