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Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes
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Published: Mar 13, 2010
Author: kevin604bc
Post Date: 2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz
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#94. To: groundresonance (#84)
Ok, I'll concede the fact that kerosene combustion products DO include water, but the fact is, the ACTUAL water content of the exhaust is DEPENDENT on the amount of water vapor in the air, the density of the air, and various other factors. That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust. AND, water could just as easily be carried in tanks and heated, resulting in a similar amount of water concentration. Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?
Ever hear of the term "analogy" buck? Buckie is just being cantankerous again. I stuck a needle in him on an earlier thread and so now he's come a' gunnin'. Ignore him and eventually he'll go away.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
How many people could or would file a flight plan to fly a private jet into a chemtrail, and how many people could afford to do so?
Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are clearly bored and trolling...
How small would a fog machine for angels dancing on the head of a pin have to be? LOL....
Hee, hee. Oh, Hunnert!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
there are laws of chemistry, and chemical reactions proceed according to those laws. combustion is a chemical reaction, it conforms to laws of chemistry. please fill in the blank. a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion. please fill in another blank... the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000' on a standard day.
Please fill in the blank. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
a gallon of jet fuel produces _____ water upon combustion. please fill in another blank... the amount of water above, in blank one, will produce _____ cubic feet of water vapor in the atmospheric pressure found at 40,000 on a standard day. Just non-sequitors, since we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place. But since you appear to have the answers, why don't you go ahead and post them.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yep, I chuckled over that one too... :)
...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water. if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".
At least you conceded an important issue based upon my urging of the same. Thank you kindly. I have known you on the Internet for five years. You create excellent views and I have never seen you lose your cool or lie or play some scoundrel as OI affectionately considers me. And I think another five years into the future, too. Damned good idea... but don't get defensive.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
hmmm, that's interesting. Water is produced from burning jet fuel? So all that jet fuel that burned at the WTC towers when the planes struck them also produced water? I am asking because I don't know, seems kind of nuts to me though.
God is always good!
It was a good one. Too bad Mr. Haney died, he could have probably answered your question (for a nominal fee of course). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. is your google broke? combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light, or a planetary scientist to know that the reason why it's dark at night is because the Earth is rotating on it's axis? More innuendo, conjecture, and false logic...
One of your posts asked, given a certain wind speed, which direction will the chemtrails travel. Do you admit that was an illogical and idiotic question?
how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails if you are unable to understand one of the most basic chemical laws involved in producing contrails?
...but we for sure know that contrails, as combustion products, contain a certain amount of water. if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails". Oh, horseshit! One can still observe on a qualitative basis and see that there is something occurring which does not square with known data. You are attempting to create a confusion where none exists. Chemtrails are an observable fact. They do not conform to the known characteristics of a normal contrail. Therefore it is an unexplained phenomena. Please explain to us how contrails form on the tips of ailerons as in the photo posted earlier on the thread? No, your tactics are clear, ask irrelevant questions which delve off into minutiae not relevant to making an observation. You are simply trying to create diversions and confuse the issues. The Chemtrails exist and there are hundreds of photos to document that fact such as those at www.carnicom.com They occur under circumstances where normal contrails do not. They persist longer than a normal contrail, are laid out in patterns, and exhibit spreading and other qualitatively observable characteristics that conflict with the known behavior of real contrails.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Are you trying to say that for one, you need to understand the chemical formula and byproducts of combustion in order to see contrails, and for two, are you trying to say that water content in the air, air temperature, and air density, are all unimportant and unrelated factors in regards to contrail formation?
Let me answer your earlier pictures of the spectra contained in these contrails. The phenomena is called refraction of light and instead of being absorbed by water vapor, the radiation refracts or bends sunlight to produce the majestic colours you see from time to time. It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel. As your pictures show, it is pretty phenomena, don't you think?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
yes, they do. they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
Well I can't see how or why 3 or 4 aircraft flying in formation from over the ocean at approximately 40,000 feet would be dropping fire suppressants, pesticides, or fertilizer, and change course in such a way when over land to form tic tac toe patterns in the sky, going and forth for an hour, then leave the area at high altitude...
i'm not trying to say anything. i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails. i am saying, if "chemtrails" were such a big deal, you'd be able to organize a sample collection effort to take samples from contrails that you think are "chemtrails". i am saying that you've demonstrated such an overwhelming ignorance of atmospheric science, chemistry and physics that you have no business posting on a thread about contrails.
Yeah, I think it is broke. Says I am banned from doing searches due to the fact I deny the Holocaust occurred. Says I should go electrocute myself. Thank God I didn't listen to it.
God is always good!
And BTW, is it general practice to drop those substances from 40,000 feet over populated areas?
LOL
Really? Produces water vapor? I really wish I could still google. Maybe I will try scroogle.
God is always good!
And I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child, and was stationed on an airbase where I viewed CONTRAILS virtually every day of the year. What I am saying is that what I am calling CHEMTRAILS are NOT CONTRAILS, and I don't need to be a chemist to notice the difference in their appearance or behavior.
Buck, regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do, and the results are similar to that seen in the picture. You can notice it best with polarized sun glasses, where regular clouds don't have rainbow effects at their edges, whereas after chemtrail activity, they do.
and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child. air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child. good enough
Thanks for bumping the thread BTW, it keeps it at the top of the comments section...
and all you've got to do now is prove the existence of "chemtrails", other than those used in fire suppression and agriculture. but you cant do it.
air traffic has not increased, airplanes do not fly higher and faster, and do not burn more fuel than they did when you were a child Turbofan engines are pretty much the same today as they were then in terms of overall design and concept, and airliners fly at pretty much the same altitude today as they did then. CHEMTRAILS were first seen around the mid 1990's or so, not back in the 70's, 60's or earlier. There has not been any revolutionary engine design change for commercial airliners during the 80's or 90's, nor even in the 21st century. Hence, that phenomenon which is being observed and named a CHEMTRAIL is NOT produced from those engines.
A reasonable person would say otherwise, and it's apparent that you are not a reasonable person.
are you denying that persistent contrails and contrail cirrus clouds exist? Results 1 - 10 of about 106,000 for persistent contrails Results 1 - 10 of about 427,000 for contrail cirrus why is this massive "chemtrail" movement unable to mount an operation to collect samples directly from "chemtrails"?
BTW, do you think that water fluoridation is a good and necessary thing?
OK, scroogle works. H2O is indeed produced from the combustion of hydrocarbons it appears. Learn something new everyday. :)
God is always good!
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: FormerLurker (#89)
You are the first person to bring that sort of stuff up. What happened to you? Can't reasonably stay on the thread track?
#96. To: groundresonance (#93)
if contrails last for hours, and the military jets are going 500 or 600 miles per hour, how long will it take them to get out of your way as you're collecting samples?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker (#94)
Have you ever seen fog machines at concerts?
#98. To: buckeroo (#92)
You are clearly losing momentum on this thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: Original_Intent (#97)
Have you ever seen a "Fog Machine" on a thread?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: FormerLurker (#99)
#101. To: FormerLurker (#94)
(Edited)
That the combustion DOES produce water does not relate to the ACTUAL amount of water in jet exhaust.
#102. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#101)
Kiss my ___.
#103. To: groundresonance (#101)
please fill in the blank.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: FormerLurker (#75)
If you have a jet engine up your ass, and you fart, which direction will the fart go, East, West, North, or South?
Lord Acton
#105. To: James Deffenbach (#104)
LOL!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: FormerLurker (#103)
we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.
#107. To: FormerLurker (#98)
#108. To: groundresonance (#106)
#109. To: FormerLurker (#105)
Lord Acton
#110. To: RickyJ (#108)
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seems kind of nuts to me though
#111. To: groundresonance (#106)
if you dont know how much water is produced by burning jet fuel, you're not qualified to discuss contrails or "chemtrails".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: groundresonance (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: FormerLurker (#111)
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light
#114. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#106)
we don't even know if the chemtrails contain water in the first place.
#115. To: groundresonance (#113)
(Edited)
how can you expect to make a valid judgment of what causes contrails
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: FormerLurker (#111)
Do you need to be a nuclear physicist to know that the Sun produces light,
#117. To: Original_Intent (#114)
(Edited)
The Chemtrails exist
#118. To: groundresonance (#117)
they exist at low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: FormerLurker (#115)
Are you trying to say
#120. To: groundresonance (#110)
#121. To: groundresonance (#117)
they exist at extremely low altitudes, and they are used in fire suppression efforts, pest control and fertilizing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#122. To: RickyJ (#120)
is broke
#123. To: groundresonance (#110)
combustion produces water vapor, and unless it's cold enough, the water vapor doesnt condense to form water.
#124. To: groundresonance (#119)
i am saying that contrails have existed since the time aircraft have flown high enough to reach conditions that produce contrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: buckeroo (#116)
It is water and nothing more beyond some chemical exhaust with a some oil and jet fuel.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker (#124)
I am saying that I have observed CONTRAILS since I was a young child
#127. To: buckeroo, groundresonance (#116)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)
regular contrails don't PRODUCE clouds, whereas the CHEMTRAILS often do
#129. To: groundresonance (#126)
(Edited)
and we're still using the same old engines on the same old airplanes that were being used when you were a child.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: groundresonance (#128)
but you cant do it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)
#132. To: groundresonance (#128)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: All (#123)
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